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Posted by: TeaLeafReaderII Feb 23 2007, 12:30 PM

Agent Zero coming to town... lets see if Big ben can continue is stellar play, and continue this winning streak.

http://www.talkbulls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1591&st=0&#entry23811 (newcomers welcome)

Posted by: MB33 Feb 23 2007, 01:07 PM

Lets get another W!

Posted by: truthandbasketball Feb 23 2007, 01:41 PM

Can the Hibachi get hot in Chicago weather?... Lets knock this one out and take the Pistons next!!!!!

Posted by: MB33 Feb 23 2007, 03:25 PM

The Hinrich manuever will be in full effect!

Posted by: soxfan3530 Feb 23 2007, 05:14 PM

another big win against a big opponent in the east. lets keep em rollin! mow em down!

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 06:01 PM

Agent zero is gonna be frustrated by the swarming d

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 07:15 PM

Wizards wearing the black and gold alternates tonight. Bulls apparently wearing the road and home whites.

I wonder what our record is when Wallace scores our 1st points?

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 07:25 PM

All offense for both teams in the early going.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 07:28 PM

Man is Arenas a good scorer

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 07:28 PM

I don't know if I've ever seen so many fallaways in 1 game...

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 07:28 PM

Fro with the easy put down!

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 07:37 PM

What the hell was that last play Bulls? Damn you Malik, let Gordon take that last bad shot, NOT YOU!

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 07:41 PM

Can we trade Malik Allen for the possible rights to swap second round picks with some team?

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 07:45 PM

Well I would trade Malik for next to nothing. He is worthless as is, but if he can't hit a jumpshot that makes him a waste of mass.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 07:49 PM

Ben Wallace is that low post scorer weve wanted, he was just messing with the opponents the first half of the season

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 07:49 PM

Du for two threes! He is useful after all

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 07:57 PM

Our offense is rolling now...

Clean up down low, too many second chances

that sequence was disgusting

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 08:02 PM

T-TIME!

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 08:06 PM

TT with the stuff, i wish we would of seen a finger wave.

The announcers like Deng even though Barkley doesnt know who he is

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 08:09 PM

So Bulls leading at halftime 48-44 and I would say all but about 12 points were from Fade aways by the Wizards.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 08:29 PM

Deng has a hot hand tonight

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 08:31 PM

I have come to realize that I absolutely HATE Tyrus Thomas. In just a few minutes, he managed to rack up 2 fouls, miss a couple jumpshots, get knocked on his ass on a block, turn the ball over a couple times, and take minutes away from Ben Wallace.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 08:34 PM

Youll need to change your sig then

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 08:39 PM

I've wanted to do so for a while, but I'm too supersticious.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 08:41 PM

good call, rally gordon

Rally Gordon

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 08:52 PM

WTF??? WHAT A HORRIBLE freaking CALL BY THE REFS, AN EJECTION? GIVE ME A BREAK, DUHON YOU DID NOTHING WRONG

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 08:54 PM

LMAO, Duhon steals it, gets trampled by Arenas, Duhon called for a foul, Technical Foul on Duhon, Duhon ejected. Nice job ref.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 08:55 PM

Wow another horrible call. That was NOT a foul on Thomas, it was clearly a charge but the refs hate the Bulls and they love there superstars. BS

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:00 PM

Watching Tyrus Thomas makes me want to litter my body with paper cuts and then stand under a waterfall of lemonade and saltwater.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:01 PM

He may be raw but he is as fun as hell to watch, just gets no respect from the officials which really isn't any different than any other the Bulls minus Wallace. I can't wait to watch this kid become a superstar.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:04 PM

To me tyrus just seems like he has no control over his limbs when they fly through the air.

Rally Deng....that doesnt sound right

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:06 PM

I see nothing fun about watching a ton of fouls and unnecessary leaps.


There is a difference between energetic and out of control. Thomas is the latter.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:08 PM

They should of kept TT out all year and had him on an intense wight lifting program and see if we can add 15-20 lbs of solid muscle.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:10 PM

Lol Ok man, If you were watching you would have seen him absolutely own Andray Blatche on that dunk attempt for a block and then he got an offensive foul after a missed shot but almost dunked over the guy. I don't care right now about how many fouls he has, the kid is flat out fun to watch regardless. End of story

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:11 PM

He commented about the block, how TT fell on his back I believe

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:12 PM

No, not end of story. How did he own Blatche when that "ownage" put him flat on his ass? There is nothing fun to me about his lack of fundamentals.

EDIT: and strength...

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:13 PM

How many shots has Arenas taken and how many were airballs

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:15 PM

because Blatche is 6'11 almost 7'0 and Thomas is 6'8 and when he blocked it Blatche was coming full force and thomas got his entire arm above Blatches and pwn'd him. Just because he fell on his rear end doesnt mean the block sucked. Also you might not have noticed but he is 20 years old and he is a rookie who gets 10 sparatic minutes a game. He isn't expected to do much now but the time he is out there, notice how the Bulls get so much energy and almost always something positive happens. He is the spark plug to this team just as Tyson was in his time here except Tyrus is alot more fun to watch because of his hops and athletiscm.

Posted by: chilord Feb 23 2007, 09:16 PM

Agent Zero has just been POSTERIZED!!!

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:22 PM

Another great display of defense tonight by the Bulls. Kirk near a triple double

18 points 8 rebounds 9 assists

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:24 PM

How exactly is Tyrus Thomas a sparkplug if he only averages 10 minutes a game then? Thomas has done nothing tonight to give the Bulls energy. I understand you like him a lot and think he'll be great, but right now he is a terrible basketball player. Fundamentally, he is just bad. He has little control over his body and frequently gets fouls called for it. The only thing he has going for him is his athleticism, and went you can't control it, what's the point?

And size has little to do with things, Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming's shot. Thats being owned. The 3 inch difference between Thomas and Blatche means nothing.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:29 PM

I agree on some of your comments, he isn't a good basketball player right now but in the minutes he gets he can produce and provide the energy especially on the road when its lacking and it propels us into having more life and we dont just go through the motions.

Take a look at his last five games

Date Opp Min FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
02/09 @ Golden State 11 0-3 0-0 0-0 0 5 5 2 3 0 2 1 0
02/11 @ Phoenix 15 4-6 0-0 1-2 1 3 4 0 5 0 1 3 9
02/13 Toronto 13 1-2 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 0 4 2 1 1 2
02/14 @ Charlotte 19 1-9 0-0 2-2 3 3 6 0 2 0 1 3 4
02/20 Atlanta 7 2-3 0-0 2-2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 6

Its hard to read I know but in Phoenix he had 9 points 3 blocks and 4 rebounds in only 15 minutes of PT. It speaks for itself but even with his lack of fundamentals he can find a way to make the game exciting to watch. He definitley has a long way to go..

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:33 PM

Slav nice work on that MB background

Thabo can shoot???

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:36 PM

8-23 shooting. 0-4 from the field tonight as well. 1 semi-decent game in the last 5.

What do you know. Tyrus Thomas blocks a shot, then turns it right over.


Thanks.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Feb 23 2007, 09:36 PM

3 in a row. Took down two eastern conference powerhouses in the last two games.

Posted by: chilord Feb 23 2007, 09:36 PM

Gotta love back to back ground gaining. This team looks infinitely superior to the team that dragged into the ASB.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:39 PM

T-TIME with ANOTHER block!

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 09:40 PM

..and ANOTHER turnover.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Feb 23 2007, 09:42 PM

O well it was meaningless, last few seconds of the game.

Posted by: danman31 Feb 23 2007, 09:48 PM

Solid win for the Bulls. They played well on the whole despite still having that 3rd quarter lull (well end of the quarter). Deng drops 30+ with a double double after the deadline passes...

Posted by: soxfan101 Feb 23 2007, 10:03 PM

Whats with all the hate soxfan1? TT has been a force defensively at times and we knew when drafting him that he was going to be a project. Also I dont know how anyone could not like that block where he landed on his ass, nobody else makes that block on this team not even Wallace. I think you need to get off your high horse or whatevr and sit back and enjoy.

Posted by: MB33 Feb 23 2007, 10:07 PM

TT will be one hell of a player if he continues to work on his game!He seems like a shawn marion type!

Posted by: Balta1701-B Feb 23 2007, 10:07 PM

Tyrus Thomas right now to my eyes is the best possible example of the type of player who is going to work great in the Paxson/Skiles system.

Tyrus is clearly ungodly raw, and has been all season. But on the other hand, he's also ungodly talented. Literally he's Amare Stoudemire level of talent. Insane jumping abilities, insanely quick reactions, skills that can be turned into great B-Ball players. But he's just so freaking raw it can frustrate people.

That's why it's so important the system he's in. Yes, Skiles is restrictive, yes he makes up insane rules, yes Paxson already fined Tyrus for stupid remarks. But this is exactly what a raw player needs. Some playing time for him to learn, a lot of time on the bench to watch people, time to keep working out and building himself up, and as hard of practices as humanly possible.

Going through that same set of obstacles has helped Ben Gordon turn from being a last second shot guy to a non-terrible defender who can light up the opposition, has helped Hinrich turn into one of the best, if not the best defensive guard in the league, and taken Deng from a raw 19 year old to a 18-8 per night guy who seems destined to be a yearly all-star in a year or two.

Skiles hasn't turned a big guy into a star yet, but I can't think of a better system for him to be put into where he can grow into a player who can score 20, rebound 10, and block 5 per night. He has the potential...it's ungodly raw, but it's clearly there, and I think Skiles's system is as good of a place as he could possibly be.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 10:38 PM

Honestly, I don't even know why I hate him. Just watching him play just ercks the hell out of me. It gets to the point where I want to change the channel to prevent further frustration. I guess I just don't see the potential that everyone else sees. IMO, at best, he is a poor mans Kenyon Martin.

And Balta, comparing him to Stoudemire is a complete insult.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Feb 23 2007, 10:48 PM

I totally understand why you can and would say that. The kid is just raw as hell, to the point of being insanely frustrating. In fact, with the way he's played, I will say that it is probably difficult to defend a pro-TT position all things considered. He's just so undisicplined offensively it should make you sick, and his defense is totally based on his jumping ability. But personally, ,just watching him play, I think there is just more room for growth than almost any player I've seen. Just based on what he has to offer, if he fits well in the system and keeps working, I think he'll wind up being the star of last year's draft. I wasn't convinced when we drafted him, but just seeing his raw ability on the court this season has pushed me that way. He may be perhaps Skiles's biggest challenge, but I think everyone involved is up to the task.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Feb 23 2007, 10:50 PM

That sounds like the nice way of saying he sucks.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Feb 23 2007, 11:18 PM

I'm not going to disagree with you. But unlike some sucky players, he's sucky with the ability to dominate. It's sort of remarkable, but there will be games, seemingly today (I didna watch) where he comes out and does jack squat to help this team, while there will be other games where he comes out and blocks 5 shots in a quarter (and 2 are incorrectly called goaltends), which is something we've also seen this year.

He's inconsistent. But I for one have difficulty getting over his ability. He needs teaching...but he needs teaching in things you can teach. You can't teach reactions, you can't teach quickness, you can't teach jumping. You can teach low post moves, you can teach intelligent decision making. Tyrus is great on the things you can't teach, but terrible on the things you need to teach. I think he can be taught. And if it turns out Skiles can't teach him...then around 09, after a couple years trial...it may be time for both a new coach and a new player. But then again...I think this is going to work shockingly well in a year or two.

Posted by: soxfan101 Feb 24 2007, 03:47 AM

next couple of seasons I expect to see great improvement out of the kid. He has shown flashes of it already this season and unlike Deng/Gordon on their rookie years when we didnt have enough talent so we were forced to play them he has been doing it in limited time.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Feb 24 2007, 08:57 PM

tyrus just needs to gain some muscle on his upper body, and work hard in the offseason and he will be fine