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post May 17 2007, 09:09 PM
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well good season guys... ill be back next season. see you all later!
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post May 17 2007, 09:10 PM
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Man, Hubie Brown was getting on my nerves. Kissing the Pistons ass all night.

Guess we have to take this experience, add to the team, amd learn from it.
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post May 17 2007, 09:13 PM
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Well, you knew it was coming sooner or later so here it is.

Kirk played god aweful in the second half. He played like he thought he was still on Kansas and this was a tourney game. In other words he played the second half like a number 1 seeded Kansas against an 8 or 9 seed. Kansas always chokes and that's exactly what Kirk did.

Hinrich in the second half

1-4 FG, 2-4 FT, 2 horrible passes for turnovers, 4 fouls (and a stupid 3 point foul on Billups) and only 3 assists after having 8 in the first half. (3-13 FG for the game, 0-3 from 3, 0 steals, 5 fouls, 11 assists). Well, I guess that's why I say he's inconsistent.

Anyway, why didn't PJ play many minutes in the second half? I think he played less than 10 minutes. We could have really used another big in the game in the 3rd when Ben Wallace went out.

The Bulls lost b/c they didn't hit their open shots. They had several great looks. (Mostly from Kirk, Nocioni, & Duhon). With the exception of Gordon, they just couldn't make the outside shot.

Well there is always next year. I can't wait until the draft. May 22nd (Tuesday) is the lottery. Hopefully, we'll get some good news to cheer us up.
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post May 17 2007, 09:16 PM
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I'm not quite as comatose and disappointed as I would have been before these last 3 games. I am glad to see us step up and play ball with Detroit. I don't think anyone could very honestly say the Pistons aren't better right now. GREAT season. Maybe we will get lucky next Tuesday (I think?) in the lottery selection. bullssmilie1.jpg bullssmilie1.jpg
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post May 17 2007, 09:32 PM
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So one day, people complain about PJ playing too much...now, PJ needed more minutes. Thats cool.

And eddog, I can't believe (then again, maybe I can) that you talk so much about Kirk sucking, but don't mention Rally Gordon himself, saying he was the only one hitting outside shots.

Kirk played badly in the 2nd half, but not nearly as bad as you are making it seem. I agree, he shot terribly, but you can't say he wasn't anchoring the offense. He hit guys on numerous occasions for open shots, and they either missed, made 1 too many passes, or put the ball on the ground and tried to force the issue.

Gordon hit his shots when it really didn't matter. And then it really REALLY didn't matter after he threw the ball away. He lacked the aggressiveness this whole series. How can you be a top scorer and not demand the ball and take over the game like you know you should. He really upset me. Took some bad shots, forced up a few, and didn't get to the line at all. His FT was on the Technical.

And don't you dare blame it on Hinrich that Gordon didn't score more.

He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half...those were his only 2 of the game. What about Ben's great pass to the Pistons bench in the 4th quarter. He and Tyrus had 3 turnovers each. And the foul on Billups was BS no doubt. How can you even agree with that call? He avoided the screen, Billups stopped, and just backwards into Kirk and wiggled around to get the call. He didn't even fall to the ground.
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post May 17 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 17 2007, 10:25 PM) *
So one day, people complain about PJ playing too much...now, PJ needed more minutes. Thats cool.

And eddog, I can't believe (then again, maybe I can) that you talk so much about Kirk sucking, but don't mention Rally Gordon himself, saying he was the only one hitting outside shots.

Kirk played badly in the 2nd half, but not nearly as bad as you are making it seem. I agree, he shot terribly, but you can't say he wasn't anchoring the offense. He hit guys on numerous occasions for open shots, and they either missed, made 1 too many passes, or put the ball on the ground and tried to force the issue.

Gordon hit his shots when it really didn't matter. And then it really REALLY didn't matter after he threw the ball away. He lacked the aggressiveness this whole series. How can you be a top scorer and not demand the ball and take over the game like you know you should. He really upset me. Took some bad shots, forced up a few, and didn't get to the line at all. His FT was on the Technical.

And don't you dare blame it on Hinrich that Gordon didn't score more.

He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half...those were his only 2 of the game. What about Ben's great pass to the Pistons bench in the 4th quarter. He and Tyrus had 3 turnovers each. And the foul on Billups was BS no doubt. How can you even agree with that call? He avoided the screen, Billups stopped, and just backwards into Kirk and wiggled around to get the call. He didn't even fall to the ground.


I never said Gordon played great and I didn't blame Hinrich for not getting Gordon more involved. Gordon was being double almost every time he touched the ball so it didn't matter. But it would have been nice if Kirk would have taken the ball to the hole instead of trying to shoot jumpers. Take it to the hole when your jump shot isn't working. Don't they teach you that in junior high/high school. Anyway, his second half was night and day from his first half. He looked like 2 totally different players.

And Gordon's turnover wasn't the one that did the Bulls in. The game was over after Tyrus threw the ball over. The game was over when with 2 minutes left the Bulls only had 4 4th quarter points. I'm not blaming just Kirk for the loss I'm just saying he played horrible. Nobody really played great and Gordon and Deng were just mediocre.
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post May 17 2007, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (eddog2 @ May 17 2007, 10:33 PM) *
I never said Gordon played great and I didn't blame Hinrich for not getting Gordon more involved. Gordon was being double almost every time he touched the ball so it didn't matter. But it would have been nice if Kirk would have taken the ball to the hole instead of trying to shoot jumpers. Take it to the hole when your jump shot isn't working. Don't they teach you that in junior high/high school. Anyway, his second half was night and day from his first half. He looked like 2 totally different players.

And Gordon's turnover wasn't the one that did the Bulls in. The game was over after Tyrus threw the ball over. The game was over when with 2 minutes left the Bulls only had 4 4th quarter points. I'm not blaming just Kirk for the loss I'm just saying he played horrible. Nobody really played great and Gordon and Deng were just mediocre.

Your logic makes no sense.

1.) Kirk only took 4 shots in the 2nd half. Where was Gordon then?

2.) Tyrus threw the ball away attempting to pass it to Kirk. If he had been missing all night, why would you want him to take that 3?

3.) Gordon being double teamed makes it okay for him to launch jumpers every time he touched the ball? What happened to the extra pass? Hitting the uncovered guy?

4.) Kirk did not play horribly. How in the world can you argue a double-double? He played great in the 1st half, and mediocre in the 2nd half. His shooting was off all night though. He shot terribly, he did not play terribly. If Hinrich doesn't play in the 1st half, Bulls are down 10+ at half. And he was the one to hit the layup going into half, giving the team all the momentum going into halftime.

He also played phenomenal defense. PHENOMENAL. Billups had 21 points. 14 from the damn free throw line. Kirk did not play horribly. Tyrus Thomas played horribly (can't see anyone really arguing that one.)
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post May 17 2007, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 17 2007, 10:41 PM) *
Your logic makes no sense.

1.) Kirk only took 4 shots in the 2nd half. Where was Gordon then?

2.) Tyrus threw the ball away attempting to pass it to Kirk. If he had been missing all night, why would you want him to take that 3?

3.) Gordon being double teamed makes it okay for him to launch jumpers every time he touched the ball? What happened to the extra pass? Hitting the uncovered guy?

4.) Kirk did not play horribly. How in the world can you argue a double-double? He played great in the 1st half, and mediocre in the 2nd half. His shooting was off all night though. He shot terribly, he did not play terribly. If Hinrich doesn't play in the 1st half, Bulls are down 10+ at half. And he was the one to hit the layup going into half, giving the team all the momentum going into halftime.

He also played phenomenal defense. PHENOMENAL. Billups had 21 points. 14 from the damn free throw line. Kirk did not play horribly. Tyrus Thomas played horribly (can't see anyone really arguing that one.)



Okay, I bow down to your majesty who is always right. Why don't you actually refute things I say. I told you Kirk played great in the first half. He played piss poor in the second. He had a double double b/c of his first half when he had 8 assists. He didn't shoot well and he didn't do much well in the second half. The only thing he did well was pick up 4 fouls. Gordon was 3-5 in the 3rd quarter after Kirk jumped us off to such a horrible start by missing his first 2 shots.

I agree that Tyrus played aweful in terms of turning the ball over. They completely shut him off offensively and defensively he had to guard bigger players all night b/c Wallace and PJ were on the bench b/c the coach had no clue what he was doing.

Gordon didn't play great but he was the only player hitting his jumper besides Deng. And Deng couldn't buy a call. Either way, Kirk played bad in the second half. That's how I saw it and we can disagree on that. But the Bulls didn't lose b/c of Gordon.
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post May 17 2007, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (eddog2 @ May 17 2007, 10:49 PM) *
Okay, I bow down to your majesty who is always right. Why don't you actually refute things I say. I told you Kirk played great in the first half. He played piss poor in the second. He had a double double b/c of his first half when he had 8 assists. He didn't shoot well and he didn't do much well in the second half. The only thing he did well was pick up 4 fouls. Gordon was 3-5 in the 3rd quarter after Kirk jumped us off to such a horrible start by missing his first 2 shots.

I agree that Tyrus played aweful in terms of turning the ball over. They completely shut him off offensively and defensively he had to guard bigger players all night b/c Wallace and PJ were on the bench b/c the coach had no clue what he was doing.

Gordon didn't play great but he was the only player hitting his jumper besides Deng. And Deng couldn't buy a call. Either way, Kirk played bad in the second half. That's how I saw it and we can disagree on that. But the Bulls didn't lose b/c of Gordon.


QUOTE (eddog2 @ May 17 2007, 10:33 PM) *
I never said Gordon played great and I didn't blame Hinrich for not getting Gordon more involved. Gordon was being double almost every time he touched the ball so it didn't matter. But it would have been nice if Kirk would have taken the ball to the hole instead of trying to shoot jumpers. Take it to the hole when your jump shot isn't working. Don't they teach you that in junior high/high school. Anyway, his second half was night and day from his first half. He looked like 2 totally different players.

And Gordon's turnover wasn't the one that did the Bulls in. The game was over after Tyrus threw the ball over. The game was over when with 2 minutes left the Bulls only had 4 4th quarter points. I'm not blaming just Kirk for the loss I'm just saying he played horrible. Nobody really played great and Gordon and Deng were just mediocre.

Care to explain that?

And this line killed me: "Gordon was 3-5 in the 3rd quarter after Kirk jumped us off to such a horrible start by missing his first 2 shots." 0-2 is a horrible start all of the sudden? 0-9 is a horrible start. 0-12 is a horrible start. 0-2? Haha.

It seems to me that you are trying to persuade yourself, as well as others, that Kirk played poorly. That's just not the case.
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post May 17 2007, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 17 2007, 11:25 PM) *
So one day, people complain about PJ playing too much...now, PJ needed more minutes. Thats cool.


I have to say I had a big grin when I saw what you are referring to as well. I mean no disrespect to the poster though... PJ rightfully deserves all the respect he gets. Unfortanetly others didn't step up as much as I would hope.
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post May 17 2007, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 17 2007, 10:54 PM) *
Care to explain that?

And this line killed me: "Gordon was 3-5 in the 3rd quarter after Kirk jumped us off to such a horrible start by missing his first 2 shots." 0-2 is a horrible start all of the sudden? 0-9 is a horrible start. 0-12 is a horrible start. 0-2? Haha.

It seems to me that you are trying to persuade yourself, as well as others, that Kirk played poorly. That's just not the case.


I don't need to persuade other b/c 3 people from the site were the ones calling me telling me that Kirk was playing like spiff to start the half. I didn't need to make the call.

Anyway, I don't give a spiff. Kirk's not going anywhere.

You are amazing and Kirk played like a star tonight. I bow down to your intelligence.

QUOTE (scatterbrain @ May 17 2007, 11:03 PM) *
I have to say I had a big grin when I saw what you are referring to as well. I mean no disrespect to the poster though... PJ rightfully deserves all the respect he gets. Unfortanetly others didn't step up as much as I would hope.


It's one thing to play someone 38 minutes when they are playing like spiff and it's another to only play someone 10 minutes after they dominated the first half.

And today SoxFan1 is complaining about Gordon and Tyrus but one day he's going to buy their jersey.
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post May 17 2007, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (eddog2 @ May 17 2007, 11:18 PM) *
I don't need to persuade other b/c 3 people from the site were the ones calling me telling me that Kirk was playing like spiff to start the half. I didn't need to make the call.

Anyway, I don't give a spiff. Kirk's not going anywhere.

You are amazing and Kirk played like a star tonight. I bow down to your intelligence.

And today SoxFan1 is complaining about Gordon and Tyrus but one day he's going to buy their jersey.

You. Are. The. Man.

And I will never buy a Gordon jersey. I own 2 Bulls jerseys, a red Ben Wallace and a red Michael Jordan. The next 2 I will be buying (likely in the next week or so) are the green Kirk Hinrich and the black Luol Deng.

Either way, it has nothing to do with anything. And to add, even if I did buy a Tyrus Thomas jersey, what difference would it make? It would obviously mean that he has become a great player and that I am acknowledging that by purchasing his jersey. I guess Bulls fans can't buy jerseys of one of the teams players if they have ever criticized them before.
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post May 17 2007, 10:48 PM
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Now I really hope he gets traded b/c you'll have just bought his jersey. Ouch! Low Blow!
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post May 18 2007, 10:38 AM
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Well personally I thought Tyrus played fine. That one turnover killed me and the team but other than that he played with passion nobody else seemed to have (tonight). If this was indeed PJ Brown's last game, he went down shooting. He carried us in the first half.

I thought Skiles should have thrown Thabo into the fire more in this game. It was clear we needed some defense after they went on that 12-1 run early to start the second half but we also needed the offense to step up so I guess you really can't fault Skiles..

Good season, definitely improved and Im glad we didn't go down without a fight. I look forward to next season and to watch the improvement of Tyrus and Thabo to go along with MIKE CONLEY next year biggrin.gif
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post May 18 2007, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ May 18 2007, 11:31 AM) *
Well personally I thought Tyrus played fine. That one turnover killed me and the team but other than that he played with passion nobody else seemed to have (tonight). If this was indeed PJ Brown's last game, he went down shooting. He carried us in the first half.

I thought Skiles should have thrown Thabo into the fire more in this game. It was clear we needed some defense after they went on that 12-1 run early to start the second half but we also needed the offense to step up so I guess you really can't fault Skiles..

Good season, definitely improved and Im glad we didn't go down without a fight. I look forward to next season and to watch the improvement of Tyrus and Thabo to go along with MIKE CONLEY next year biggrin.gif

This sickens me. Tyrus played well? You're blind. Passion, lmao. A rookie over a team USA guard?
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