Not backing Tyrus by any means but lets not forget that Chandler was a 6'11 before he was even a freshman in Highschool who had over 4 years to grow into his height (probably played organized ball before that also)

Tyrus only played organized basketball starting his junior year where he was 6'6 where he then grew 3 inches and joined the nba in 3 years. A 6'6 jump to 6'9 would be a little harder to work with (possible position change, etc.) having only 2 years or experience as compared to chandler where he had 4 years to work at Center (whether he was 6'11 or taller)

Welcome aboard, it's been a while since I've seen a new member. Anyway, was Tyson really almost 7 feet at the age of 14/15? If so, that's insane. This is actually a good point. I'm not exactly sure why we're comparing these two seeing as they are obviously not the same player.

I'm going to assume that's why SF1 started the thread, and though he seems a bit more angry about it I can see a lot of his points.

Personally, I thinK Joakim Noah is a lot closer to Tyson than Tyrus is...

Personally, I thinK Joakim Noah is a lot closer to Tyson than Tyrus is...

See Rose drive. See Tyrus jump. See Tyrus dunk. Any questions?

I've been hearing a lot recently about how Rose would be the right pick because he would make Tyrus a much better player, and I'm beginning to wonder where people are getting these assumptions from. The immediate comparison (and most oft used here) has been Rose/Tyrus = Paul/Chandler. It seems people are a bit high on the lottery still and thinking unrealistically.

First off, to those who think Rose is going to come in an light the world on fire, be cautiously optimistic. Chris Paul as a rookie (80 starts) dropped 16.1 ppg and 7.8 apg. Deron Williams as a rookie (47 starts) scored 10.1 with 4.5 apg. People are expecting CP3 2008 numbers out of Rose as a rookie and it just doesn't happen like that. He'll be good, damn good, but he's not a finished product yet. And on top of that, there are no guarantees we will pick him anyway.

Now, as far as the Tyson/Tyrus comparisons, they really disappoint me. I don't know how many times people have said Tyrus is a good defender down low. Are you watching the same team as me? Tyrus is a poor man on man defender. Nearly all of his blocks come from help defense or from scuffles down low. His rebounding isn't really a skill, just more so that he is able to out-jump a ton of other players. But anyway, people are saying that Paul has helped Chandler so much and made him the player he is....umm, no. First off, Chris Paul is a top 2 PG in the league. Between he and Deron Williams, its very close. Rose isn't going to come in and be an MVP candidate right away. Second, Tyson Chandler has comparable numbers to what he had in his career in Chicago. His rebounding and scoring increases are pretty much because of more minutes andconsistent minutes.

Now, as far as abilities, we all know Tyrus is a freak athlete, but he has very little skill. Tyson possesses skills. He is a great defender, one of the top in the game. He displays passion that are rarely seen by anyone in the league, let alone on the Bulls. Tyrus only gets excited when he gets a huge dunk and-one. Then he misses the FT and goes back to his mediocre self. I'll never forget Tyson's block on Paul Pierce to save a game and help clinch a playoff birth for the Bulls a few years back. Tyson actually has skill as a defender. When the hell has Tyrus Thomas ever shown ANY kind of defensive abilities like Chandler. And blocks don't really count for TT because he attempts to block everything, and with his jumping ability, he'll run into a few.

Don't get me wrong, he's definitely benefited from having CP3 tossing him alley oops 6 times a game, but basically that's all of his offensive output. He still doesn't have any real offensive game. Balta, you've been throwing around the "Put Rose/Tyrus in a room and make them watch Tyson/CP3 videos" stuff, but you have to want to be good. Tyrus has no work ethic whatsoever. He is pretty content with rotting away on the bench. He said it himself, the dunk contest was all about the free money. He seems like he has no motivation. Instead of working to gain starting minutes, he just thinks it should be granted to him. I recall draft day 2006 that some people proposed we take Tyrus over Aldridge because Tyrus had much better potential and wasn't "soft" and had a great attitude. Yes, great attitude. I have yet to see that.

When have we ever read about Tyrus Thomas busting his ass at practice, or getting to practice early or something? Never. We only hear about how he skips practice, is a numskull, and lashes out as his coaches. Tyrus has passion, sure. But his passion is different than Chandlers. Tyrus passion is selfish. Tyson's passion was always team oriented. He was excited to be on the court and to contribute. Skiles said it himself, "the next time Tyrus runs down the court hard will be the first." I specifically recall one possession where Tyrus stood in the half circle behind the free throw line nearly the entire possesion while the offense passed it around the perimeter. He had his arms out asking for the ball with a guy standing right on him. And when he didn't get the ball, he threw his arms down in disgust and jogged back down to the other end of the court.

One thing I'll give Tyrus is that he actually has SOME (not very much) offensive ability. He has an ok jump shot (though extremely inconsistent) but still has no low post moves. He can't post up because he can't control his dribble long enough to do so, he doesn't have enough strength, and he is a terrible finisher. He's one of the worst finishers in the league because of it, uncontested dunks/layups are virtually all he makes. I'd still much rather have Tyson Chandler. Tyson's offensive potential never really came to fruition, but he still worked on his defense. I don't see any of that in Tyrus. Now he is going to be working out with Thorpe? Whoop dee doo, he coached Bosh and Harrington...both of them are PF's who rely a TON on jumpshots. That is not what we want from Tyrus. We need him to be a PF and bang down low. Tyson at least had the size, where as Tyrus is an undersized PF.

Tyrus' best opportunity would have come had D'Antoni been hired as Coach. Now, I have a hard time thinking he'll even be on the Bulls come October.

Now, as far as abilities, we all know Tyrus is a freak athlete, but he has very little skill. Tyson possesses skills.

When the hell has Tyrus Thomas ever shown ANY kind of defensive abilities like Chandler. And blocks don't really count for TT because he attempts to block everything, and with his jumping ability, he'll run into a few.

Now he is going to be working out with Thorpe? Whoop dee doo, he coached Bosh and Harrington...both of them are PF's who rely a TON on jumpshots. That is not what we want from Tyrus. We need him to be a PF and bang down low. Tyson at least had the size, where as Tyrus is an undersized PF.

Tyrus has no work ethic whatsoever. He is pretty content with rotting away on the bench. He said it himself, the dunk contest was all about the free money. He seems like he has no motivation. Instead of working to gain starting minutes, he just thinks it should be granted to him.

Looks like your a chandler fan.. he he me too..

But you have to understand.. one thing that many bulls fans didnt like was that he was pretty much all talk and no walk.. He pretty much said all of the right things before and during the off season.. but tell me.. someone plz tell me.. what did he improve on anyways? other than gaining a lil muscle mass each year the guy didnt improve on his jumpshot, his ft%, his post game, he showed no offensive game year after year. And everyone knows that CP3 does make Chandler look good.. Theres no denying it..

What Tyrus does better:
-better hands (Chandler has brick hands)
-better handles
-better jumpshot
-can take people off the dribble
-can actually generate his own shot compared to Chandler
-better around the rim
-better post up game.._(haha.. not very good... he needs more weight)
-better passer
-better shot blocker
-better at stealing
-can play the passing lanes better
-better at the fast break
-better at FT
-has more potential
-has ability to dribble from coast to coast (if they let him.. haha)
-bottom line- in offense he's no Tyson or B. Wallace

What Chandler does better:
-better size, doesnt get pushed around as much as TT
-better man to man defender
-better rebounder offensive and defensive
-knows his role
(plays better under controlled, doesnt try to do too much)
-better cheerleader

And very quick.. how can u say
little skill? Tyrus has a lot more skill than Chandler.. Chandler is a one dimensional player, looks like he always will be. Chandler could have been good IF he buster his butt in practice and during the off season. He could have developed a go to post up move if he really wanted to.. like a lot of people said.. he was lazy or something..

Blocking should count.. Blocking is a skill. Chandler has become a better defender now because hes stronger and he doesnt get as much in foul trouble as he did before. No reason why TT cant do the same.. TT can guard sf, pf, and Ive seen him guard big sg as well.. Chandler can only guard pf and C... And it looks like he will pretty much guard C from now on the way New Orleans team is set up.. TT will guard pf and theres no reason why he cant be a great defender once he gains some weight..

No... some of us dont want Tyrus to bang down low. The guy was pretty bad last year trying to post up other people.. He lacks weight and strength to do anything downlow.. Ill take a Bosh and harrington offensive game... Tyrus right now doesnt look like he will bang down low.. he doesnt have good balance. Until he gains strength then id like to see more banging..

Banging downlow will have to come from another player until Tyrus has better balance and more strength. Offensively Tyrus should try to be a guy that makes open jump shots when open, be a finisher when guards penetrate, be a threat for an alley-oop, be good at fts, should try to have a post up game at least a go to move downlow... cut in for dunks..play above the rim with put backs and get the crowd involve with his dunks and hustle. Thats all we ask for right now.. anything else would be a plus


And Chandler has a good work ethic? Tyrus showed a jump shot at the end of the season. He was the kind of guy where people would say at the beginning of the season.."what are u doing taking a jumpshot??" to the guy.. where you didnt really mind taking a jumpshot... (although it gets frustrated when he starts depending on it too much instead of driving in) And the money comment.. u read too much into what Sam Smith was saying... he gave that money to charity anyways..

Tyrus is so raw... He needs another offseason after this one to really see how good he will be.. The guys has soo much potential.. Hes a freakish athlete... Lets see how he plays this season.. how much he improved on and what he improved on before we come to conclusions and start calling him a bust

Umm, wow. I thought you said you were a Tyson fan? And 3/4 of the things you have Tyrus better at are so false. He's not a shot-blocker at all. He has no skill. It's all athleticism. Tyrus' ball-handling is not good and he DEFINITELY isn't better than Tyson around the rim. Especially considering TT is one of the worst finishers around the bucket in the entire league.

When we drafted TT, we were supposed to be drafting a PF. Turns out we drafted a SF with no offensive game.

3/4 of the things you have Tyrus better at are so false.

When we drafted TT, we were supposed to be drafting a PF. Turns out we drafted a SF with no offensive game.

I would like to hear those out plz. And in my opinion, and i think many would agree, yes he is a shot blocker. Chandler is not that good of a shot blocker compared to Tyrus. Tyrus has way better timing.

As far as ball-handling goes... They are above avg for a PF.

And yes, Tyrus is waaaaaay better at finishing around the rim then Chandler. They both arent that good, but Tyrus definately has the edge. Chandler has a horrible touch around the basket. Chandler can only dunk... His touch off the glass is Ben Wallace like. Tyrus isnt that great at it, but he definitely has the edge over Chandler. Ive seen Tyrus do reverse layups... His touch around the basket is not that bad. Believe me, i watched pretty much every single game the bulls played. If i worked that day, i recorded it and watched it:-D



Tyrus is a PF. WHy not?? He played most of his minutes there, no? It boggled my mind when i saw him get minutes at the SF position. And yes he does have the size to play that position. Height is soooo overrated. Tyrus wingspan and athletic ability is why he can play PF in this league. Just be patient and let him gain some more weight.

Im sry if i sound like a big homer or a huge fan or TT... Im just comparing him to Chandler... Both players arent that good... Except Chandler has the edge because he is an established defensive player... He's one of the best at rebounding and defense... And because of that, he fits in great with the Hornets. But other than that, IMO, he's below avg. in everything else.

Really the only thing Tyson Chandler is better than Tyrus at is rebounding (especially offensive) and overall defense which probably comes with many more years in the league. Tyrus has the better offensive potential but I think Tyson will always be the better defensive player..