The Official 2008 NBA Draft Thread |
The Official 2008 NBA Draft Thread |
Jun 26 2008, 06:11 PM
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#196
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Love looks cut. You can tell he has been working his arse off.
Seems ESPN is trying to jam too much in the 5 minutes between picks. |
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Jun 26 2008, 10:45 PM
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#197
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Wow OJ Mayo getting traded to the Grizz for Kevin Love, Mike Miller and others..
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Jun 26 2008, 10:49 PM
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Jun 26 2008, 10:54 PM
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here it is
QUOTE Two league sources told ESPN.com that the Wolves have reached an agreement in principle with the Memphis Grizzlies that will send the draft rights of Mayo, Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker and Greg Buckner to the Grizzlies in return for the draft rights to Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins. The deal is a blockbuster for both teams. ESPN.com reported on Tuesday that the Wolves GM Kevin McHale was infatuated with Love, but felt that the team had to select Mayo and use him to acquire more assets. wow. thats a huge deal, i thought mayo was a good fit with the t-wolves but i guess not, but this trade makes alot of sense also. |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:00 PM
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here it is wow. thats a huge deal, i thought mayo was a good fit with the t-wolves but i guess not, but this trade makes alot of sense also. The Wolves wanted to get a big whom could play alongside Jefferson and Love can do that. I figured they would have prefered Lopez but being able to get both Love and Mike Miller for what I consider junk and Mayo (who is very good) is a real nice looking deal. As far as Memphis is concerned, they could have a nice back-court a couple years from now in Mayo/Conley. |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:01 PM
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Love and Jefferson will look good next to each other.
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Jun 26 2008, 11:01 PM
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I'm not a Mayo fan, but at least in Memphis he's playing off the ball so it'll be harder for him to try to totally take over the game and take way too many bad shots. Of course on the flip side he's been most effective with the ball in his hands and might feel the need to take advantage of it when he does get the ball. On the other side I guess Minnesota can live with a Foye/McCants backcourt with Brewer and Miller at SF (probably eating some SG minutes too). That's okay I guess, though they can definitely use another big man. Love is big enough that he might be able to let Jefferson cover PF's more too, that could help. Or it could be ugly if Love's athleticism holds him back. Hard to say, should be interesting.
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Jun 26 2008, 11:17 PM
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Wow OJ Mayo getting traded to the Grizz for Kevin Love, Mike Miller and others.. Damn it, Chris Wallace! You finally do something good in drafting Love and Greene (though it should have been CDR), and then you screw it up by trying to do too much and essentially give up Miller and Love for Mayo. You better hope Mayo turns into an All-Star or else you're gonna have a lot of explaining to do. They have absolutely zero post-presence now. Gonna be another long year for the Grizz... I mean, not that they would have made the playoffs next year or anything, but a Conley-Miller-Gay-Love-Milicic lineup is much more balanced and at least capable of being decent. Conley-Mayo-Gay is a very talented 1-2-3, but who the hell is gonna play down low? The only viable option for PF is Antoine Walker. Walker and Milicic in the paint? That's terrible. I guess they're planning on sucking and hoping for a Blake Griffin, Patrick Patterson, or BJ Mullens next year. Anybody know of any good post guys in free agency this summer? Maybe they're hoping to give a Restricted guy a big contract and hope their team doesn't match... |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:19 PM
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I'm not a Mayo fan, but at least in Memphis he's playing off the ball so it'll be harder for him to try to totally take over the game and take way too many bad shots. Of course on the flip side he's been most effective with the ball in his hands and might feel the need to take advantage of it when he does get the ball. On the other side I guess Minnesota can live with a Foye/McCants backcourt with Brewer and Miller at SF (probably eating some SG minutes too). That's okay I guess, though they can definitely use another big man. Love is big enough that he might be able to let Jefferson cover PF's more too, that could help. Or it could be ugly if Love's athleticism holds him back. Hard to say, should be interesting. I really think this is one guy your going to be wronga bout Zoom. You are about as knowledgeable a guy as I've seen when it comes to analyzing the draft but in this case, I really disgress with your take on Mayo. Aside from Mayo the other guy I absolutely love in this draft (aside from the obvious top 2 picks) is Brandon Rush. I really think Rush, if he stays healthy, turns into an all around rock solid basketball player. Maybe not a dominant player but the guy has such a good skill-set and he's polished. He played with so much talent at Kansas that it actually hurt his draft stock because on a bad team he could have just been dominant, imo. |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:22 PM
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I'm not a Mayo fan, but at least in Memphis he's playing off the ball so it'll be harder for him to try to totally take over the game and take way too many bad shots. Of course on the flip side he's been most effective with the ball in his hands and might feel the need to take advantage of it when he does get the ball. On the other side I guess Minnesota can live with a Foye/McCants backcourt with Brewer and Miller at SF (probably eating some SG minutes too). That's okay I guess, though they can definitely use another big man. Love is big enough that he might be able to let Jefferson cover PF's more too, that could help. Or it could be ugly if Love's athleticism holds him back. Hard to say, should be interesting. Love reminds me a big of Elton Brand. I don't necessarily think he'll be that good, but they have very similar body type's, imo. Love is pretty polished and to me the big question is whether he can take the physicality of the NBA. I Think he has enough athletism and he's clearly a great passer. I think the Wolves will be happy if he falls somewhere in the Elton Brand/Brad Miller range (obviously that is a varying degree with Brand being better, but Love could be both (Miller was a softer center who could pass and put up a few points with good touch while Brand turned into a more physical big and Love has hte ability to do that I think). |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:32 PM
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Still haven't seen anything official on what the Bulls gave up, but they did in fact make a deal with the Blazers to get the Turkish center in exchange for the forward out of Arkansas.
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Jun 26 2008, 11:40 PM
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I really think this is one guy your going to be wronga bout Zoom. You are about as knowledgeable a guy as I've seen when it comes to analyzing the draft but in this case, I really disgress with your take on Mayo. I've never argued that Mayo doesn't have talent. He's far more polished than most college players, and he went where he should have in the draft. However, barring a MASSIVE change in his playing style he's not going to get the most out of it. His shot selection is horrendous, he hasn't met a challenged shot he doesn't like, even if it's 5 feet past the 3 point line. Even when he is facing someone he can take to the hole he ends up settling for the jumpshot most of the time. He only shot 4.6 FT's a game, that's not a good sign for someone that was A LOT better than most of the guys he played. His shooting percentage would be a lot worse if not for an absurdly hot 5-game stretch where he hit something like 62% from behind the arc. Pushing that 3 point line back 3-feet isn't going to help either. Plus when he did drive he turned it over at a very high rate, 3.5 a game in college is pretty bad. He just forced things way too much, and that's not a new thing at USC. Now if he scales back on that type of play considerably and starts taking smarter shots, not forcing things, passing the ball more when he doesn't have anything, and consistently bringing the defensive effort he can be a very good player, something like a Brandon Roy (though I don't see him being THAT efficient with the ball). Even then it'd help a lot if he drove more, which will be harder on the next level. Otherwise he's going to be a pure gunner that hurts about as much as he helps, something like a stronger Jamal Crawford with occasional flashes of good defense (and it would seem more turnovers). |
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Jun 26 2008, 11:59 PM
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Love reminds me a big of Elton Brand. I don't necessarily think he'll be that good, but they have very similar body type's, imo. Love is pretty polished and to me the big question is whether he can take the physicality of the NBA. I Think he has enough athletism and he's clearly a great passer. I think the Wolves will be happy if he falls somewhere in the Elton Brand/Brad Miller range (obviously that is a varying degree with Brand being better, but Love could be both (Miller was a softer center who could pass and put up a few points with good touch while Brand turned into a more physical big and Love has hte ability to do that I think). Love has a ton of skill, I just don't know if he's athletic enough to be an impact player. He already struggled in college against longer, more athletic players at times. One thing he has going for him is that he appears to be in MUCH better shape than he was at UCLA, it's hard to judge how much of a difference that'll make. Either way he'll clearly be at least decent though, he's too strong and skilled not to be. I'll be interested to see how he plays early on now that he's not carrying that extra weight that seemed to hold him back against Memphis. |
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Jun 27 2008, 12:00 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/prospects/943
http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php ... ew&id=3751 Both of those links indicate that it was a 2 year deal that the Turkish center will be signing, as opposed to a five year deal (I've also seen reports of a 4 year deal that pays approx 10M in US$). Ford indicated that the Bulls selection was the steal of the 2nd round and the Bulls gave up Weems, and two other 2nd round picks (the one they obtained from the Knicks for 2009 and our 2nd rounder in 2010. Also, below are some youtube links. Thats it for me, fun draft everyone and I am excited for summer league play to begin. Going to let my thoughts simmer and than I'll write up a draft analysis tomorrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oe5rLXzJdM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giGOCxw1k4I |
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Jun 27 2008, 09:40 AM
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I'm not sure if anyone said this already but a mutual friend of Steve and myself said the reason they traded Love was b/c they didn't want to have Gay Love action next season. I thought that was hilarious.
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