Tyrus v Lamarcus, Did we make the right choice? Options

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

Ok, Im calling it, a Tyrus v Lamarcus thread just for discussion. Do you think we still made the right choice with Tyrus? Or do you think we should have kept Lamarcus?

Right now Tyrus is averaging 4.6 ppg 3.4 rpg and 1.1 bpg

Right now Lamarcus is averaging 9.1 ppg 5.0 rpg and 1.2 bpg

It looks as though Lamarcus may have been the better choice by those stats but I beg to differ. Right now I would say Aldridge might help us a tad bit more than Tyrus could because of his low post scoring ability and his 6'10 frame but Tyrus ever since allstar break has definitely grown up and has shown signs of becoming the player I had invisioned later on in his career. In terms of blocking shots, Tyrus is among the top 5 in blocks per 48 minutes but his offensive game is not great right now. The only reason Lamarcus is averaging more points is because he is starting and playing considerably more minutes per game than Tyrus Thomas. In the future I see Tyrus blowing by Lamarcus Aldridge because he is the more physical of the two and if he can just get stronger he will be unstoppable with a low post game.

IMO Tyrus's cieling is around 20 ppg 12 rpg 3-4 bpg and 2 apg

Thats about what I'd say is his Maximum potential.

This is what I feel is like Aldridge's cieling. 21 ppg 10 rpg 2 bpg 3 apg

Pretty close but like I said, I think Tyrus can surpass him within 2-3 years, we won't even be having this discussion after both there careers are over.

But going back to the question, would you rather have Aldridge or Tyrus for the future?

[ZoomSlowik]

Wow, you need to put down the Tyrus kool-aid. Kareem and Hakeem are about the only guys EVER to do that for more than one season (well, and probably Wilt, they didn't keep track of blocks back then). He has potential, but that's like Top-50 player ever level. Even his rebounding and block numbers are high in that scenario, and those are his strengths. I would expect something more like Tyson Chandler for the near future, or at least until he shows some kind of ability to consistently create his own shot.

Aldridge has been damn good of late, averging 16.4 points, 8.5 rebounds and 1.69 blocks this month while shooting almost 54%. Yeah, playing time is a factor, but you still have to earn it. Also, realistically with Nocioni out their potential for minutes isn't really that different. Don't get me wrong, Tyrus looks better than I expected, but Aldridge appears to be much farther along at this point, which makes him a safer bet while still having a solid ceiling (which is I believe what I said leading up to the draft).

Yes, it's still WAY too early to make any conclusions, but Aldridge looks like the early leader (and on a side note, Brandon Roy was an absolute steal). However, maybe in 3 years Tyrus is another Shawn Marion while Aldridge is more like Drew Gooden, it's hard to say when both guys are fairly raw.

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

Wow, you need to put down the Tyrus kool-aid. Kareem and Hakeem are about the only guys EVER to do that for more than one season (well, and probably Wilt, they didn't keep track of blocks back then). He has potential, but that's like Top-50 player ever level. Even his rebounding and block numbers are high in that scenario, and those are his strengths. I would expect something more like Tyson Chandler for the near future, or at least until he shows some kind of ability to consistently create his own shot.

Aldridge has been damn good of late, averging 16.4 points, 8.5 rebounds and 1.69 blocks this month while shooting almost 54%. Yeah, playing time is a factor, but you still have to earn it. Also, realistically with Nocioni out their potential for minutes isn't really that different. Don't get me wrong, Tyrus looks better than I expected, but Aldridge appears to be much farther along at this point, which makes him a safer bet while still having a solid ceiling (which is I believe what I said leading up to the draft).

Yes, it's still WAY too early to make any conclusions, but Aldridge looks like the early leader (and on a side note, Brandon Roy was an absolute steal). However, maybe in 3 years Tyrus is another Shawn Marion while Aldridge is more like Drew Gooden, it's hard to say when both guys are fairly raw.

I don't understand why 20 and 12 is not feasable for Tyrus as his max potential. Just because I threw this number out there doesnt mean he will average that throughout his career. Kevin Garnet is averaging 23 ppg and 13 rpg so I don't understand your point.

[ZoomSlowik]

I don't understand why 20 and 12 is not feasable for Tyrus as his max potential. Just because I threw this number out there doesnt mean he will average that throughout his career. Kevin Garnet is averaging 23 ppg and 13 rpg so I don't understand your point.

So now he's KG with twice as many blocks? Those projected numbers would put him as the leader for defensive player of the year (since he'd basically be leading the league in rebounds and blocks at those levels) as well as averaging 20 a game, which is a major stretch from his current production/talent level. Has he shown any indication of being THAT type of player yet, especially in the scoring department? I don't know how you can say that. The only guys who have been put up those kind of numbers in recent history are Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon (notice all of them are also considerably bigger).

Garnett was light-years better, he averaged 10 and 6 in his first year out of high school. Tyrus had 2 years at LSU and is still not at that level yet. Tyrus has talent, but let's not get carried away here. I'd be pretty happy with 15 points, 9 boards, and 2 blocks, even that would be a huge step up...

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

So now he's KG with twice as many blocks? Those projected numbers would put him as the leader for defensive player of the year (since he'd basically be leading the league in rebounds and blocks at those levels) as well as averaging 20 a game, which is a major stretch from his current production/talent level. Has he shown any indication of being THAT type of player yet, especially in the scoring department? I don't know how you can say that. The only guys who have been put up those kind of numbers in recent history are Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon (notice all of them are also considerably bigger).

Garnett was light-years better, he averaged 10 and 6 in his first year out of high school. Tyrus had 2 years at LSU and is still not at that level yet. Tyrus has talent, but let's not get carried away here. I'd be pretty happy with 15 points, 9 boards, and 2 blocks, even that would be a huge step up...

If you remember, Olajuwan had little offensive game to begin with when he came out and developed it as the years went by. Your blowing this whole thing WAY out of proportion. Tyrus was listed as the most athletic freakish player in the draft and he looks like he has the most "potential" out of all of them. Thus meaning his potential stats should be based on his potential or atleast thats what im telling you.

sorry for saying potential so much lol

[ZoomSlowik]

If you remember, Olajuwan had little offensive game to begin with when he came out and developed it as the years went by. Your blowing this whole thing WAY out of proportion. Tyrus was listed as the most athletic freakish player in the draft and he looks like he has the most "potential" out of all of them. Thus meaning his potential stats should be based on his potential or atleast thats what im telling you.

sorry for saying potential so much lol

Hakeem averaged 20.6 points, 11.9 rebounds, 1.21 steals, and 2.68 blocks as a rookie, not quite the same thing.

A lot of his potential is based on his defensive capabilities, I don't think anyone expects him to contend for a scoring title any time soon and they probably shouldn't. Morrison is second among rookies in scoring, but he's far from the 2nd best of the rookies...

[rangercal]

Hakeem averaged 20.6 points, 11.9 rebounds, 1.21 steals, and 2.68 blocks as a rookie, not quite the same thing.

A lot of his potential is based on his defensive capabilities, I don't think anyone expects him to contend for a scoring title any time soon and they probably shouldn't. Morrison is second among rookies in scoring, but he's far from the 2nd best of the rookies...

Hakeem was a year and 1/2 older than Tyrus and played 2 more college seasons. Tyrus is polishing into a stud just fine. I would label Thomas and Deng as the 2 most untouchable players on the Bulls Roster.

[ZoomSlowik]

Hakeem was a year and 1/2 older than Tyrus and played 2 more college seasons. Tyrus is polishing into a stud just fine. I would label Thomas and Deng as the 2 most untouchable players on the Bulls Roster.

You can give him 3 more years, I'd still be SHOCKED if he put up Hakeem-like numbers. We're not exactly talking about a marginal difference in talent/production here...

Plus Hakeem only played one extra year in college, it's not his fault Tyrus red-shirted.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but to put him up there as a potential legend is a bit of a stretch.

[TeaLeafReaderII]

You can give him 3 more years, I'd still be SHOCKED if he put up Hakeem-like numbers. We're not exactly talking about a marginal difference in talent/production here...

Plus Hakeem only played one extra year in college, it's not his fault Tyrus red-shirted.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but to put him up there as a potential legend is a bit of a stretch.

Tyrus Thomas is a golden god. Are you watching this game?