First Bulls that needs to be traded!, My vote is for Kirk |
First Bulls that needs to be traded!, My vote is for Kirk |
May 10 2007, 11:19 PM
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Leading Scorer Group: Members Posts: 1,285 Joined: 5-July 06 Member No.: 193 |
Here's how Kirk stacks up against other PG in the league.
7 games of the playoffs, Kirk Hinrich 37.8% FG, 10.57 PPG, 5.85 APG, 9-28 from 3 (32%), 6 stls (.85 stls) (The only thing he's done well is shoot free throws. But he can't even draw fouls effectively. He's gone to the line 11 times in 7 games. That's just stupid. Quit being a girl and get some contact down low.) Baron Davis 26.3 PPG, 54% FG, 43.5% 3pt, 6.0 APG, 2.0 SPG (51 free throw attempts) Deron Williams 18.0 PPG, 44.9% FG, 25.8% 3pt, 9.0 APG, 1.22 SPG, (37 free throw attempts) Steve Nash 18.7 PPG, 46.1% FG, 45% 3pt, 13.4 APG, (29 free thows) It's just rediculous that the most important player on our team gets outplayed this bad by the premiere PG's in the league. I don't mind the scoring but the other stuff he is/isn't doing is hurting our team. Either Kirk needs to go or we need to find a PG and move him to SG. I prefer that he just go in some package with Nocioni and then we draft Mike Conley. However, maybe we just need to trade Kirk & Gordon b/c Mike Conley/Gordon would be a even smaller backcourt. We need a true playmaker or a PG that makes plays for others. Right now we have neither and that's why we can't get over the hump. So I say make some bold moves now or we are going to be in this situation for several years. Unless we get the number 1 or 2 pick and we get a playmaker, we are going to have to rely on hitting jumpers to win. And without a PG to create open jumpers at will it will be hard to win titles. I pray for the number 1 or 2 pick but if not Kirk has to go. No only will he be very overpaid next year, but he hasn't really shown any improvement in his game other than hitting the 3 at a better clip. His assits haven't gotten better, I would argue that his defense hasn't really improved. Nothing about his game other than his shooting % showed improvement. At least with Gordon and Deng you could see the improvement. He's turning 26. I really don't see him becoming a premiere PG. So trade him will his value and contract are relatively high and start this thing over before you waste 3 more years off Wallace and Deng. |
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May 10 2007, 11:42 PM
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Skills Competitor Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 1,675 Joined: 14-March 06 Member No.: 52 |
This team just needs a solid post player to take the pressure off the guards...
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May 10 2007, 11:50 PM
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Leading Scorer Group: Members Posts: 1,285 Joined: 5-July 06 Member No.: 193 |
This team just needs a solid post player to take the pressure off the guards... We don't need a solid post player, we need a great post player. There is a difference. An all-star quality post player will maybe put them over the hump but just an average post player isn't going to change things much in the windy city. As for Kirk, I don't want an average PG. You need an average PG when you have Kobe or Wade. You need a star PG when your team is built with a bunch of complementary scorers and up and coming talent. I've said it since Kirk was a rookie and I'll continue to say it until he proves otherwise, the guy is not a real PG. He's a SG much like Gordon who is not tall enough or good enough (although Gordon is good enough to score) to be a great scorer in the league. His passing leaves a lot to be desired. His playmaking leaves even more to be desired. I would love to trade him and get Conley. Maybe even package him and Gordon or Nocioni (or all 3) for Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, & Ratliffs expiring contract. Would Ainge go for that? Rondo is not a great shooter but he's a better passer and he's only going to get better. Not to mention he can drive to the basket with ease. He's super quick and gets steals in bunches by playing the passing lanes. |
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May 11 2007, 12:04 AM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,704 Joined: 14-March 06 Member No.: 43 |
We don't need a solid post player, we need a great post player. There is a difference. An all-star quality post player will maybe put them over the hump but just an average post player isn't going to change things much in the windy city. As for Kirk, I don't want an average PG. You need an average PG when you have Kobe or Wade. You need a star PG when your team is built with a bunch of complementary scorers and up and coming talent. I've said it since Kirk was a rookie and I'll continue to say it until he proves otherwise, the guy is not a real PG. He's a SG much like Gordon who is not tall enough or good enough (although Gordon is good enough to score) to be a great scorer in the league. His passing leaves a lot to be desired. His playmaking leaves even more to be desired. I would love to trade him and get Conley. Maybe even package him and Gordon or Nocioni (or all 3) for Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, & Ratliffs expiring contract. Would Ainge go for that? Rondo is not a great shooter but he's a better passer and he's only going to get better. Not to mention he can drive to the basket with ease. He's super quick and gets steals in bunches by playing the passing lanes. Kirk is not an "average PG". "Average" point guards don't average 16 and 6 every year. He's not a superstar dynamo but he's more than capable of being a starting point guard on a contender. Not a chance we get Jefferson, they'd want A LOT if they were going to trade him. 22 year old double-double post guys that still haven't hit free agency just don't get traded very often. Conley is not "the savior", we're not suddenly going to be a 60-win team if we draft him. He MIGHT be there in 2 years, of course by then some of our core could price themselves onto another roster. |
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