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Posted by: Jake Jul 1 2012, 09:50 AM

K.C JohnsonKCJHoop 11 hrs
Hearing Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik in the $8 million range annually. trib.in/LNlL23

The most talked about offer so far is Houston offering a deal that is 2 years at $5M/per, then the next 2 years at $11M/per

Sayonara, if you ask me. Hopefully we can do a sign and trade but we'll have to beware of the bluff

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 1 2012, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 1 2012, 10:50 AM) *
K.C JohnsonKCJHoop 11 hrs
Hearing Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik in the $8 million range annually. trib.in/LNlL23

The most talked about offer so far is Houston offering a deal that is 2 years at $5M/per, then the next 2 years at $11M/per

Sayonara, if you ask me. Hopefully we can do a sign and trade but we'll have to beware of the bluff



If thats the case....HE GONE!

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 1 2012, 11:43 AM

You really hate to lose Asik for nothing.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 1 2012, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 1 2012, 12:43 PM) *
You really hate to lose Asik for nothing.


A sign and trade is ideal of course, if we're dealing with the Rockets though there's not much I'd want in a deal for just Asik. Could we get Camby back in a sign and trade?? What about Asik, Korver, and a 1st for Kevin Martin??

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 1 2012, 06:00 PM

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Rockets have reached agreement with Omer Asik on a three-year, $25.1 million contract, league source tells Y! Sports.


QUOTE
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

As a restricted free agent, the Bulls will have three days to match Asik offer sheet after it's signed on July 11th.


https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

QUOTE
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop

Rockets will sign Omer Asik to 3-year, $25 million deal on July 11. Bulls will have 3 days to match. 3rd year approaches $15 million.


https://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop

Please don't match Pax!

Posted by: Jake Jul 1 2012, 07:40 PM

Sign and trade please

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 1 2012, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 1 2012, 08:40 PM) *
Sign and trade please


Can't sign and trade him to Houston.

Match, explore giving him to Portland.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 1 2012, 08:33 PM

He's gonna be making 15 mill at one point?? you gotta be bleepin me!!

Sign and trade for who though?? Camby?? throw a package together for Martin?? Dragic?? picks??

Henry Sims PLZ

EDIT: why not Houston Q??

Posted by: Jake Jul 1 2012, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 1 2012, 08:19 PM) *
Can't sign and trade him to Houston.

Match, explore giving him to Portland.


can't or won't?

do not match without a trade in place. He is not worth half that contract

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 2 2012, 01:56 AM

Nevermind. Since he hasn't signed it yet (can't until 11th), the Bulls can work out a deal. If it gets to that point though, they can't match and trade him to the Rockets for a year.

I told my brother I'd ask for Lamb (jokingly) and he said that you can do better like Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, or anything, because Lamb will be terrible because he's never played an NBA game and didn't do anything in college (national title?) and that Kemba Walker would make Lamb look like s*** in the NBA.

Remember that he also thinks Luol Deng > Durant in everything that's not scoring, and that that's close. Also Adam Dunn is a below average baseball player for his career, Ozzie was the Sox 2nd greatest SS ever (over Collins and Appling), Rios is terrible this year, etc.

Talking sports can be exhausting with him.

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 2 2012, 07:03 AM

If Bulls match, which Gar Forman has consistently said the Bulls plan to do, guarantees Boozer would be amnestied for 2014-15 season. - KCJohnson

Posted by: Steve9347 Jul 2 2012, 07:56 AM

Just let him go, please.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 2 2012, 07:57 AM

In case anyone's curious about the random cap rule that forced the Rockets to structure the deal like this, http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

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Before 2005 it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 25) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas directly) for up to the amount of the Early Bird exception, which was about $4.9 million at the time. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.

If the raise in the third season exceeds the standard raise (4.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract), then an additional restriction exists. In order to determine how large the offer can be, the team doesn't just have to fit the first-year salary under the cap. Instead, they must fit the average salary in the entire contract under the cap. So a team $8 million under the cap is limited to offering a total of $24 million over three years, or $32 million over four years. If the offer sheet does not contain a third-season raise larger than 4.5% of the first-season salary, then they only have to fit the first season salary under the cap.

Putting this all together, if a team that is $9 million under the cap in 2011-12 wants to submit a four-year offer sheet, and wants to provide a large raise in the third season, they can offer a total of $36 million over four years. The first-year salary is limited to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or $5 million. The second-year salary will be $5.225 million (4.5% raise). This leaves $25.775 million to be distributed over the final two seasons of the contract, with a 4.1% raise from year three to year four.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 2 2012, 08:07 AM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 2 2012, 09:57 AM) *
In case anyone's curious about the random cap rule that forced the Rockets to structure the deal like this, http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

That's actually really helpful. Thanks.

Posted by: Jake Jul 3 2012, 01:34 PM

QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jul 2 2012, 07:03 AM) *
If Bulls match, which Gar Forman has consistently said the Bulls plan to do, guarantees Boozer would be amnestied for 2014-15 season. - KCJohnson


I'd take Boozer over Asik in a heartbeat. Seriously.

Also, I have to think that whether the Bulls plan to match or not, they must give off the impression that they will...it's the only way they may work out a deal.

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 5 2012, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3 2012, 02:34 PM) *
I'd take Boozer over Asik in a heartbeat. Seriously.

Also, I have to think that whether the Bulls plan to match or not, they must give off the impression that they will...it's the only way they may work out a deal.


With the other guys we have on the front line, Boozer is way more valuable as a scorer.

Posted by: Jake Jul 5 2012, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jul 5 2012, 08:09 AM) *
With the other guys we have on the front line, Boozer is way more valuable as a scorer.


Exactly -- most Bulls fans seem to be under the impression that post players like Boozer are a dime a dozen...I'm not buying it. He's a very good scorer at his position. I know he shoots a lot of midrange and stuff, but he can do a little creating with the back to the basket too. Also an excellent passer and a decent rebounder. That doesn't mean that his pay is fair necessarily, but he's become quite the goat and not for reasons I entirely support.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 5 2012, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 5 2012, 10:46 AM) *
Exactly -- most Bulls fans seem to be under the impression that post players like Boozer are a dime a dozen...I'm not buying it. He's a very good scorer at his position. I know he shoots a lot of midrange and stuff, but he can do a little creating with the back to the basket too. Also an excellent passer and a decent rebounder. That doesn't mean that his pay is fair necessarily, but he's become quite the goat and not for reasons I entirely support.


He deserves a lot of it. He's a bad defender due to his below average athleticism and he frequently is a non-factor offensively against more athletic teams (see last two playoffs). Granted you can say that about pretty much the entire roster, but most of them aren't making $15 million and supposed to be their #2 scorer.


Posted by: rockren Jul 5 2012, 12:27 PM

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 5 2012, 11:50 AM) *
He deserves a lot of it. He's a bad defender due to his below average athleticism and he frequently is a non-factor offensively against more athletic teams (see last two playoffs). Granted you can say that about pretty much the entire roster, but most of them aren't making $15 million and supposed to be their #2 scorer.


A guy like Boozer is worth around 10mil/year because of his pick&pop game to go along with his post game.

I believe what Booz got a few years ago is what he cost and I'm fine with that. However, the Bulls didn't entirely know what they had with Gibson (me included) and the Bulls didn't know that Rose was going to be able to go for 30 on any given night that upcoming season. The Bulls also didn't know how elite Tibs would have made them defensively that first year.

With the way the Bulls are built.......Gibson>Boozer

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 5 2012, 05:01 PM

The problem is, the Bulls don't have a dynamic wing to go with Rose. If they had that, Taj would be perfect.

Posted by: rockren Jul 5 2012, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5 2012, 06:01 PM) *
The problem is, the Bulls don't have a dynamic wing to go with Rose. If they had that, Taj would be perfect.


I believe we all agree.

I still believe Taj is a better fit to Noah/Rose than Boozer is.

It isn't that Boozer isn't a quality scorer at times, but the ball just kind of dies with him. We all know how putrid he is defensively.

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 5 2012, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (rockren @ Jul 5 2012, 06:40 PM) *
I believe we all agree.

I still believe Taj is a better fit to Noah/Rose than Boozer is.

It isn't that Boozer isn't a quality scorer at times, but the ball just kind of dies with him. We all know how putrid he is defensively.


That's because we don't run a pick & roll or pick & pop to utilize him.

Posted by: rockren Jul 5 2012, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5 2012, 06:43 PM) *
That's because we don't run a pick & roll or pick & pop to utilize him.


Oh I disagree heavily on that.

Boozer was used heavily in the pick & roll...but he would show the pick & roll and fade to the corner more as it better served Rose. It would give Rose the option to just keep on to the bucket while help would stick to Booz.

The Bulls have used Boozer's talents well offensively....he's just so limited as he's so plodding and getting him the ball on the move is such a waste.

Posted by: Jake Jul 5 2012, 10:35 PM

Boozer doesn't get nearly the touches that he ought to based in part on the fact that our point guard passes significantly less than some others and the backups pass even less.

Posted by: rockren Jul 6 2012, 11:28 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 5 2012, 11:35 PM) *
Boozer doesn't get nearly the touches that he ought to based in part on the fact that our point guard passes significantly less than some others and the backups pass even less.


It also doesn't help that Booz isn't a finisher around the rim and gets his layups thrown about as much as anyone.

Posted by: eddog2 Jul 6 2012, 11:36 AM

Boozer sucks. End of story. And yes it took me reading about someone defending Boozer to get me back to posting.

If Kirk signs back with the Bulls for anything more than 1 year with a team option on the 2nd I'm officially done posting until he's off the team again.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 6 2012, 03:59 PM

Boozer is what he is, he doesnt suck nor is he really good...If it weren't for Taj I dont think you'd hear the word amnesty thrown his way as much as it has been.

Posted by: Jake Jul 6 2012, 09:45 PM

Again, good luck in your "finding a PF that will average 15-18 ppg" goals in 2012

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 6 2012, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 6 2012, 10:45 PM) *
Again, good luck in your "finding a PF that will average 15-18 ppg" goals in 2012


Carlos Boozer was barely a 15 PPG PF this year, and he's not likely to get better at this point.

Posted by: Jake Jul 7 2012, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 6 2012, 11:33 PM) *
Carlos Boozer was barely a 15 PPG PF this year, and he's not likely to get better at this point.


If nothing else, the lack of Rose will probably result in more shots for him and thus more points, even if less efficient. Despite his health, his minutes take a hit playing under Thibs/ahead of Taj and that's probably more of a problem for his numbers than anything else. Thibs is also allergic to playing a Booz-Taj frontcourt against smaller lineups.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 7 2012, 10:43 AM

I'm gonna agree with Jake here. He took 2 less shots per game last year than the year before when he scored 17ppg. He shoots 50% so if he takes 2 more shots per game he woulda been at 17ppg again more than likely. Last year he shot right around his career numbers FG% wise so the only reason for the lack of numbers scoring wise was due to the lack of shots.

All that said I still wanna see him amnestied next year, or hopefully with no Rose he has a monster year and he can be traded. Once again if not for the presence of Taj Gibson I don't think the amnesty word would be thrown around as much in regards to Boozey.

Posted by: Jake Jul 7 2012, 11:15 AM

I do think this is his last year as a Bull, barring either an amazing resurgence and/or a Bulls championship

So I think this is his last year

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 7 2012, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 7 2012, 01:15 PM) *
I do think this is his last year as a Bull, barring either an amazing resurgence and/or a Bulls championship

So I think this is his last year

It really would be silly to hold onto Boozer this year, in a year that's practically a wasted year, and then get cheap and not pay him the next year when we might have a competitive team/healthy Rose again.

Posted by: Wanne Jul 7 2012, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 7 2012, 12:00 PM) *
It really would be silly to hold onto Boozer this year, in a year that's practically a wasted year, and then get cheap and not pay him the next year when we might have a competitive team/healthy Rose again.


It is really a wasted year. Personally if it was me...I'd amnesty Boozer...not match Asik...and I'd use a portion of the quiche to buy out Mirotic's contract and get him in the system. Even if they don't amnesty Boozer...I want Mirotic over here soon.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 7 2012, 01:49 PM

I kinda like that idea....correct me if im wrong, its gonna cost the bulls 8 mill to get him over here right?? 3 mill for a buy out then the 5 mill it takes to sign him right??

Baltas last comment makes sense as well.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 7 2012, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jul 7 2012, 03:49 PM) *
I kinda like that idea....correct me if im wrong, its gonna cost the bulls 8 mill to get him over here right?? 3 mill for a buy out then the 5 mill it takes to sign him right??

Baltas last comment makes sense as well.

Something like that...which makes bringing him over very difficult when the Bulls are this close to the tax and only have the $5 million MLE to work with.

Posted by: Wanne Jul 7 2012, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 7 2012, 02:21 PM) *
Something like that...which makes bringing him over very difficult when the Bulls are this close to the tax and only have the $5 million MLE to work with.


I thought the buyout was $2M? Either way...if they go with the amnesty with Booz and it's a wasted year you'd seriously have to think about it IMO. But back to Asik...there's no way in hell I'd match that offer...sorry. Whoever gets him needs to stand him 10 feet in front of a Jugs machine every day this summer and blast balls at him.

I'm gonna throw this out there...and basically I have no clue as to his knees right now...but what's the poop with Oden?

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 7 2012, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 7 2012, 05:08 PM) *
but what's the poop with Oden?

Plans to take the entire 2012-2013 season off.http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7908766/a-rare-interview-former-no-1-overall-pick-greg-oden-injury-plagued-careerincluding those details.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 13 2012, 07:34 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0713-bits-bulls-chicago--20120713,0,4783892.storyecause they're dealing with Dwight Howard matters and Amnesties.

Thus, updated the "deadline" in this thread, assuming that they get it done today or tomorrow.

Posted by: Jake Jul 13 2012, 08:48 AM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 13 2012, 07:34 AM) *
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0713-bits-bulls-chicago--20120713,0,4783892.storyecause they're dealing with Dwight Howard matters and Amnesties.

Thus, updated the "deadline" in this thread, assuming that they get it done today or tomorrow.


Do you think they'd want to pay Asik $8M/year if they got Dwight or Bynum?

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 13 2012, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 13 2012, 09:48 AM) *
Do you think they'd want to pay Asik $8M/year if they got Dwight or Bynum?


I don't know why they want to do it now.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 13 2012, 11:35 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9479/bucher-talks-hinrich-asik

Posted by: Jake Jul 14 2012, 12:03 AM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 13 2012, 11:35 AM) *
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9479/bucher-talks-hinrich-asik



I hope things like this are just a smokescreen to extort a player out of them.

Posted by: rockren Jul 14 2012, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 13 2012, 12:35 PM) *
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9479/bucher-talks-hinrich-asik



Bloody hell....

Posted by: Jake Jul 14 2012, 04:30 PM

If they were to match, this would be a critical point for the Front Office.

Doing so would mean that one of a few things must happen for this not to be a simply terrible move:
1. Omer Asik becomes a much, much better player
2. We win a championship in the next two years
3. We are able to deal Asik away at some point and not have it be for another terrible contract

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 14 2012, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 14 2012, 05:30 PM) *
If they were to match, this would be a critical point for the Front Office.

Doing so would mean that one of a few things must happen for this not to be a simply terrible move:
1. Omer Asik becomes a much, much better player
2. We win a championship in the next two years
3. We are able to deal Asik away at some point and not have it be for another terrible contract


Pretty much, and I don't think you can count on a championship this coming year.

It just seems like a lot to me for a backup center. Plus every newcomer this year is a PG while they have three wing players on the roster, two of which are highly injury prone.

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 16 2012, 07:26 AM

If the Knicks decline to match Lin, I wonder what that does to Omer's offer sheet?

Posted by: Jake Jul 16 2012, 09:18 AM

QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jul 16 2012, 07:26 AM) *
If the Knicks decline to match Lin, I wonder what that does to Omer's offer sheet?


You'd think they wouldn't want to do it. I don't know if they'd ever not do it, though.

Posted by: Jake Jul 17 2012, 03:08 PM

Knicks do not match Lin.

Lin is a Rocket.

No offer sheet for Asik.

Any chance they pull the offer? Any chance they told him in the first place that the offer was conditional?

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 18 2012, 07:44 AM

Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
Once it is official on Lin, Rockets will have to waive one player, wait 48 hours, then sign Omer Asik to offer sheet and begin that process.

Posted by: Jake Jul 18 2012, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jul 18 2012, 07:44 AM) *
Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
Once it is official on Lin, Rockets will have to waive one player, wait 48 hours, then sign Omer Asik to offer sheet and begin that process.


Holding out hope that they don't do it for some reason.

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 18 2012, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18 2012, 11:39 AM) *
Holding out hope that they don't do it for some reason.


If they don't, then the Bulls can keep the defensive backcourt from hell.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 20 2012, 09:06 PM

Calling it right now, Asik for E'twuan Moore and/or JuJaun Johnson....

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 21 2012, 08:37 AM

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:06 PM) *
Calling it right now, Asik for E'twuan Moore and/or JuJaun Johnson....


I'm pretty sure you want Purdue players on this team more than I wanted Marcus Denmon.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 21 2012, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21 2012, 09:37 AM) *
I'm pretty sure you want Purdue players on this team more than I wanted Marcus Denmon.


If you read the other thread I started you'll know I know nothing about these guys, other than I seem to remember some people wanting the Bulls to take Moore in the draft last year. I'm just going off what I read about Houston not keeping those 2 guys and the fact that they want Asik. I also read that Moore expects to be a Bull after his release, thus why not make things easier and just sign and trade Asik.

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 21 2012, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jul 21 2012, 01:04 PM) *
If you read the other thread I started you'll know I know nothing about these guys, other than I seem to remember some people wanting the Bulls to take Moore in the draft last year. I'm just going off what I read about Houston not keeping those 2 guys and the fact that they want Asik. I also read that Moore expects to be a Bull after his release, thus why not make things easier and just sign and trade Asik.


Well, them and who else did you want from Purdue? I know there was one more.

Still mad we didn't grab Denmon.

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 21 2012, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21 2012, 01:48 PM) *
Well, them and who else did you want from Purdue? I know there was one more.

Still mad we didn't grab Denmon.


JaJuan Johnson, though once again I dont watch Purdue basketball so I dont know if hes considered a C in the league. I'm just speculating since the Rockets plan on letting go of these guys and one already said he's going to Chicago then why not make it for a sign and trade.

I'd rather have Stiemsma out of Wisconsin over Johnson though.

Posted by: Quinarvy Jul 21 2012, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jul 21 2012, 01:55 PM) *
JaJuan Johnson, though once again I dont watch Purdue basketball so I dont know if hes considered a C in the league. I'm just speculating since the Rockets plan on letting go of these guys and one already said he's going to Chicago then why not make it for a sign and trade.

I'd rather have Stiemsma out of Wisconsin over Johnson though.


Nah, wasn't it Hummel or something?

Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jul 21 2012, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21 2012, 03:41 PM) *
Nah, wasn't it Hummel or something?



Oh ya I forgot about him....Nothin wrong with wanting a few guys from a really good college team...I didn't know about all these exceptions the bulls had so I was looking at dirt cheap players when I mentioned Hummel. With the Bulls apparently having a Bi annual and a Trade exception I'd rather they use those and get quality guys like Belinelli and lets say Stiemsma for back up C.

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 27 2012, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21 2012, 03:41 PM) *
Nah, wasn't it Hummel or something?


I've seen Hummel play for something close to a decade now. I can really see him turning into a three point bench specialist in the NBA.

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