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Posted by: VenomSox Jul 17 2006, 04:13 PM

Bulls or Pistons
Bulls 60%
Pistons 40%

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 17 2006, 05:15 PM

DA BULLS, but I do think the Pistons are still going to be a potential title contender if all goes right for them.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 17 2006, 05:21 PM

All that matters is which team gets to 4 first.

Posted by: Waffles Jul 17 2006, 06:46 PM

We completely crushed that poll nation wide. The only states that thought the Pistons would have a better record is Michigan and Alaska.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 17 2006, 06:49 PM

I personally think this will be pretty close. Detroit still has 4 All-star caliber players. Their defense will take a bit of a hit going from Wallace to Mohammed, but McDyess playing more will improve their offense. I think they have a better starting lineup, but the Bulls are definitely deeper.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 17 2006, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Waffles @ Jul 17 2006, 07:39 PM) *
We completely crushed that poll nation wide. The only states that thought the Pistons would have a better record is Michigan and Alaska.

Hey, don't diss Alaska. smile.gif

Posted by: bulls91 Jul 17 2006, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 17 2006, 06:08 PM) *
DA BULLS, but I do think the Pistons are still going to be a potential title contender if all goes right for them.

i think that they took a few steps back this year like the bulls did last year so i think that we are going to be alone in the central division by a least 10 game by the time it is all done. they did lose "the heart and the soul of the team".

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 17 2006, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (bulls91 @ Jul 17 2006, 08:49 PM) *
i think that they took a few steps back this year like the bulls did last year so i think that we are going to be alone in the central division by a least 10 game by the time it is all done. they did lose "the heart and the soul of the team".


I seriously doubt that it's that big a difference. We finished 23 games behind them last year. Ben Wallace alone doesn't make that big a difference. He's their only major loss, and I don't see our new role players making THAT big an impact on the standings. Even if Detroit loses 14 games off their record (which is quite a bit), we'd also have to improve by 10 to pass them, and another 9 games to get 10 games up.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 17 2006, 08:11 PM

That is a tough call. I mean, the Bulls have improved tremendously, but the Pistons are still the Pistons minues one player (although an important one at that). They still have lots of talent 1-4 in Chauncey, RIP, Tayshaun, and the "other" Wallace. I think we have a much better bench, though, so that will help keep everyone fresh and allow us to not wear down by season's end.

Posted by: taurus515th Jul 17 2006, 08:14 PM

The Bulls will be better. Losing Ben Wallace was huge. People seem to really underrate him because he plays more defense then offense but wut some people seem to forget is that defense wins u games more than just playing offense. Ben Wallace was the heart and soul of the Detroit Pistons and now he is n Chicago.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 17 2006, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (taurus515th @ Jul 17 2006, 09:07 PM) *
The Bulls will be better. Losing Ben Wallace was huge. People seem to really underrate him because he plays more defense then offense but wut some people seem to forget is that defense wins u games more than just playing offense. Ben Wallace was the heart and soul of the Detroit Pistons and now he is n Chicago.


It's not like their other 4 starters are defensive liabilities, and Mohammed is pretty solid as well. Their D will suffer, but they're not suddenly going to drop to the middle of the pack. They'll still be better than average.

I think it'll be pretty close. Detroit clearly isn't going to win 64 games again, but I don't see them going under 50 either. That's roughly the same place I see the Bulls in. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Posted by: |DaBulls| Jul 17 2006, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 17 2006, 06:08 PM) *
DA BULLS, but I do think the Pistons are still going to be a potential title contender if all goes right for them.

Im flattered by your support, but I'm not on the poll.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 17 2006, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (|DaBulls| @ Jul 17 2006, 08:36 PM) *
Im flattered by your support, but I'm not on the poll.

So we have a wise guy ehhh fight.gif

cheers.gif Drinking.gif

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 17 2006, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 17 2006, 10:49 PM) *
So we have a wise guy ehhh fight.gif

cheers.gif Drinking.gif

You know what we do with wise guys, right? Ship 'em to Siberia or Burbank. Whichever is determined to be worse... On one hand, you'll be alone and cold, very cold. On the other hand, you'd have to probably hang out with Jason. I don't know what would be worse. biggrin.gif

Posted by: hammerhead johnson Jul 18 2006, 12:47 AM

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 17 2006, 08:16 PM) *
It's not like their other 4 starters are defensive liabilities, and Mohammed is pretty solid as well. Their D will suffer, but they're not suddenly going to drop to the middle of the pack. They'll still be better than average.


Yeah, Tayshaun is an elite perimiter defender, and Rasheed Wallace is a very respectable defensive presence in the post. Rip is a defensive liability, and Chauncey is mediocre at best, but those guys are major assets if we're talking conservative offense.

They have nice balance, but they are no longer a championship contender.

Posted by: Rowand44 Jul 18 2006, 01:41 AM

Too close to call.

Posted by: southsider2k5 Jul 18 2006, 07:14 AM

I would vote for Detroit...

Posted by: The Dude Abides Jul 18 2006, 07:56 AM

I agree that the bulls will win more games, but it's going to be close...You also have to throw cleveland into the mix. LeBron will be better and they will probably add some more help for him.

It's going to be a 3 horse race for the central, with the bulls finishing 1st and getting the 2nd seed in the east.

Posted by: Waffles Jul 18 2006, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jul 18 2006, 07:49 AM) *
I agree that the bulls will win more games, but it's going to be close...You also have to throw cleveland into the mix. LeBron will be better and they will probably add some more help for him.

It's going to be a 3 horse race for the central, with the bulls finishing 1st and getting the 2nd seed in the east.



Help! They haven't brought in anybody yet, in a free agency pool that was already slim on talent. Why do you think Lebron went for the 3yrs w/4 yr option? It wasn't just for bigger bucks after labor agreements.

Posted by: RME JICO Jul 18 2006, 10:09 AM

The Bulls will win over 50 and the Pistons will be a few games back.

Remember the Bulls won their last 6 regular season games, and 10 out of their last 12. They were also 15-24 on Jan 5th, and ended the season playing over .605 ball.

Now you add Big Ben and you are going to at least win 5 more games:

.605 = 50 games + Big Ben = 55 wins

Posted by: sport1016 Jul 18 2006, 10:58 AM

Pistons still have an awesome starting 5, and they can and will beat any team in the league. But bc of our depth I think we are a better playoff team.

Central will shape up to be VERY VERY close. We could easily be anywhere from 1st to 3rd in division bc us, pistons and cavs are all 50-58 win teams, but I really think all three steams will win around 53-56 games, with the cavs being the only on of the three who even has a chance to win less than 50. It will be tight.

But of those three teams, we are BY FAR the best playoff team. We have depth and defense, and plenty of experience with PJ, BWall, and Griff all having played extensively in the playoffs and that will take us farther than any of these other teams, regardless of the regular season standings. The pistons only added depth is flip murray along with mcdyess and the cavs barely have 5 starters. Althought not in our division, the nets are also gonna to have somewhere around 50+ wins and no depth outside of marcus williams. I am willing to bet that teams 2-5 all have very close records, but come May we will either be in the conference finals or lose in the second round to the eventual Eastern Conference Champions, which is obviously contingent on seeding.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 18 2006, 11:12 AM

The Bulls. Paxson sees the "Big Picture" and hes going after every piece to fit the puzzle by getting PJ Brown, Adrian Griffin and a bigger piece in Ben Wallace. Its a young team but when adding those 3 guys who bring tremendous leadership, its only going to help.

If you look at Detroit, we know they lost Big Ben in the middle and thats not a tough void to fill because there isnt alot of people that does what he can do. Muhamed will be solid but hes no Ben Wallace. What Big Ben brought to the Pistons was the Intimidation factor. His presence on the defensive side was somewhat fearsome to the other team going into the lane. They dont have that anymore and therefore Detroit will suffer and the Bulls will gain.

I like what the Bulls have done this offseason, transforming this team into a Title Contender from a team before all the moves was considered a 2nd round knock out. I cant wait to see Big Ben in Chicago opening night!

Posted by: Bullies4Life Jul 18 2006, 04:48 PM

The Pistons probably will win more games than the Bulls now that i think of it...

-Pistons team mostly consists of all veterans

-Bulls added some new faces, and some rookies. That will take some time to gell, (especially on defense, like communication, rotating, and all of that good stuff)

-I still dont think the Bulls will win over 50 this season, but they should get close. I can see them making a nice run at the end of the season.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 18 2006, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jul 18 2006, 12:05 PM) *
The Bulls. Paxson sees the "Big Picture" and hes going after every piece to fit the puzzle by getting PJ Brown, Adrian Griffin and a bigger piece in Ben Wallace. Its a young team but when adding those 3 guys who bring tremendous leadership, its only going to help.

If you look at Detroit, we know they lost Big Ben in the middle and thats not a tough void to fill because there isnt alot of people that does what he can do. Muhamed will be solid but hes no Ben Wallace. What Big Ben brought to the Pistons was the Intimidation factor. His presence on the defensive side was somewhat fearsome to the other team going into the lane. They dont have that anymore and therefore Detroit will suffer and the Bulls will gain.

I like what the Bulls have done this offseason, transforming this team into a Title Contender from a team before all the moves was considered a 2nd round knock out. I cant wait to see Big Ben in Chicago opening night!


I wouldn't call them a title contender just yet. They're still light on post offense, and they need to have consistent scoring. If Gordon, Deng or Noc steps up, that's another story, but it remains to be seen if any of them can do that this year. The playoffs are generally dictated by stars, something the Bulls just don't have right now. Maybe they can take the Pistons' route, but all of your guys have to be playing at a pretty high level to do that. IMO they're not quite on the level of the Suns, Mavericks, Spurs and Heat at this point, though that can change as the season goes on.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 19 2006, 12:27 AM

Apparently Reggie Miller was on the Dan Patrick show and said the Bulls are now the 2nd best team in the east.

All of these things are fine and dandy and they definately got me excited about the season, but you always have to remember there is a reason why you got to play the games.

Posted by: Bullies4Life Jul 19 2006, 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19 2006, 01:20 AM) *
Apparently Reggie Miller was on the Dan Patrick show and said the Bulls are now the 2nd best team in the east.

All of these things are fine and dandy and they definately got me excited about the season, but you always have to remember there is a reason why you got to play the games.


I think its cool how people think we are the second best team now and everything, but im not buying it.

-Bulls still havent proven anything by just adding some players. And the Bulls still dont have that true "go-to-player." We also dont have that consistent low post player.... Also, the Bulls have to show that they can get to the line consistently for a full season.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 19 2006, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Bullies4Life @ Jul 19 2006, 12:16 PM) *
I think its cool how people think we are the second best team now and everything, but im not buying it.

-Bulls still havent proven anything by just adding some players. And the Bulls still dont have that true "go-to-player." We also dont have that consistent low post player.... Also, the Bulls have to show that they can get to the line consistently for a full season.

My thoughts are that we still have that low post scoring hole and that we still need to go out and prove things. We've made a lot of changes but we are only as good as our low post scoring and the overall development of guys like Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon (obviously Sef and TT fit into that picture now).

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 19 2006, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 18 2006, 06:36 PM) *
I wouldn't call them a title contender just yet. They're still light on post offense, and they need to have consistent scoring. If Gordon, Deng or Noc steps up, that's another story, but it remains to be seen if any of them can do that this year. The playoffs are generally dictated by stars, something the Bulls just don't have right now. Maybe they can take the Pistons' route, but all of your guys have to be playing at a pretty high level to do that. IMO they're not quite on the level of the Suns, Mavericks, Spurs and Heat at this point, though that can change as the season goes on.


Ya, I would agree with that. But they should atleast be considered a potential Title Contender IMO

Posted by: HITStheDAGGER Jul 19 2006, 10:39 PM

Of corse the bulls will win cause all the people jump on the band wagon... Be a true fan..

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