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Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 03:06 PM

Somehow, I think today's important for the direction of this team. Either we're looking at a lottery pick or we're going to turn it around, and the 2nd half of the season storyline starts today for us.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 04:32 PM

Tonight's going to be a pretty big game. Let's start the turnaround now. That mean you Kirk, Ben, Ben, and Tyrus...

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 05:28 PM

Hopefully as of tonight we start seeing some actual decent, consistent minutes for Tyrus and Noah.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 05:28 PM

Hopefully as of tonight we start seeing some actual decent, consistent minutes for Tyrus and Noah.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 06:08 PM

word

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 06:11 PM

I really, really hope Pax realizes that his job right now depends as much as Boylan's on playing the kids, and that he's given orders to that effect.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 06:18 PM

I want to see if we run a "Faster pace" style of play like Boylan hinted at last night.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 06:31 PM

The way our roster looks, we seem like we're primed with guys who could be effective in that kind of game. TT, Noah, Gordon all have the ability to be big time faster pace guys, and Duhon/Hinrich and Deng might not be bad in that either. Wallace and Gray could be the odd men out in that style, but it's certainly fair to say that the half court game we've tried hasn't worked at all this season, so why not try moving it up and down more.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 06:35 PM

Personally I would trade Ben Wallace for crap on a stick. Maybe for Stephon Marbury and then buy him out.. Then we can move forward because at this point, he doesn't really do anything that changes the game anymore.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 06:49 PM

First off, what does that have to do with tonights game? Second, thats a terrible idea. As he goes further in his contract, he gains more value. Why would you deal him at his lowest value? You wait for 1 of 2 things: you use him in a deal as a salary equalizer or you wait until he becomes an expiring contract and then deal him. Dealing him for Marbury helps this team in no way.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Dec 28 2007, 06:50 PM

No team is going to piss more than $40 mil down the drain, and both guys have somewhere around that much left on their contract.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 06:50 PM

I don't agree with this, but here's one potential way it helps; Ben Wallace would no longer get playing time in front of Tyrus and Noah, which, if Wallace can't find some increased level of effectiveness, would be a benefit right now.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 06:54 PM

At this point, it's hard to tell. We don' know what Boylan's rotations are going to be like, but I have a feeling it would be Joe Smith getting more minutes, that is, until they decide to write off the season for good.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 06:55 PM

Basically what I'm saying is, I'd rather have Aaron Gray, Tyrus Thomas, and Joakim Noah before I'd put Ben Wallace in the game. He's worthless in every sense of the word. What did he have the other night? Like 4 rebounds in freaking 34 minutes played?

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 07:07 PM

How many guys have you seen successfully defend Tim Duncan, arguably the best PF of all-time? It may sound like I'm making excuses for them, but you're cutting these guys short, while praising some unnecessarily.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 07:16 PM

I'd be willing to take bad games by Wallace against Tim Duncan and say "oh that's just because it was Duncan" and live with that excuse. But that only makes sense if Wallace is doing well in other games.

We signed Wallace because he was a 4 time DPOY. Even if he took small steps back, he should still be effective down low, and only have a few bad games intermixed with a number of games where he's at least solid. He certainly has not put up anything close to solid performances yet this year.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 07:23 PM

I can agree with that, though he has had some good games this season. I recall one game specifically where he and Joe Smith each had 10+ rebounds at half-time.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 07:25 PM

For his money, I don't want interspersed good games. I want his average perfomance to be a good game. He doesn't have to give me DPOY performance, but we shouldn't be recalling his few "good games", we should be recalling his few bad games out of mostly decent to good games.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 07:29 PM

The only thing about Ben Wallace is he is by far the smartest defensive player on the team. He rarely gets in foul trouble unlike Tyrus who can't seem to stop jumping ever freaking time someone pump fakes, and he is still blocking shots. That is one of the few +'s you can say about him in comparison to some other players on our team.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 07:53 PM

Nothin like some offensive futility to start the game..

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 07:57 PM

Deng with 8 points, 4 rebounds in 6 minutes.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 08:01 PM

Bulls shooting 64% early. But Noc and Gordon are about to check in.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 08:01 PM

If Boylan wanted to get Luol Deng involved more, he sure as hell got that point acrossed... Wow

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 08:08 PM

Deng trying to make Pax/Boylan look like Geniuses.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 08:19 PM

Tyrus is playing some spiffy defense.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 08:41 PM

First Half:

The good:

Kirk is better at the 2 guard
Luol Deng
Ben Gordon (Scoring off the bench which is his role as of now)
Gray

The bad:

Duhon (Not doing what is expected)
Tyrus (Poor defense)

I like our offensive execution but we've got to limit those turnovers and GET BACK ON DEFENSE! We're allowing way too many fastbreaks for the Bucks and were not guarding the perimeter players. All in all, a so so effort.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 09:08 PM

TT and Noah have played just over 4 minutes between them.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 09:10 PM

Nocioni "The Chucker"

I'd put Tyrus or Noah in for Nocioni myself but.. Thats just me.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 09:21 PM

Damn Aaron Gray just layed Royal Ivey the fish out!!!!! NICE

Lol Kirk just airballed the layup, wtf?

Please take Nocioni out..

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 09:31 PM

How bad does Nocioni have to play before he loses a spot in the rotation? My god he has been pathetic these last few games. I wouldn't mind seeing him burried on the bench for quite some time.. He's a liability on both ends of the court.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 09:34 PM

Wallace, Gordon, and Kirk have been really good in this 2nd half, Deng has been amazing all game. Bulls need to shore up that help defense if they're going to win this game.

Duhon played miserably, as did Tyrus. Noc has been pretty bad tonight as well. I'm a tad bit surprised Tyrus and Noah haven't played more, but this rotation has been pretty good on both ends. Bulls need to finish stronger/better at the basket.

Gordon coming off the bench = good.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 09:47 PM

DOUBLE TECHNICAL ON THE BUCKS HC! DENG WITH THE BIG FINISH AT THE NET!!!!!!!1 4 POINT BULLS LEAD!

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 28 2007, 09:48 PM

Agreed, but Nocioni played waaaaay too long in the game.

Red almost had a heart attack!!

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 09:50 PM

Wallace damn near cost us a posession with that back pass to Kirk lol. Gordon looks like he's forcing it a bit right now.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 09:54 PM

Bad foul on Ben there. Stacey King sounds like Rasheed Wallace out there. "The ball don't lie Bogut!"

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 09:57 PM

Talk about terrible officiating. Wow.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 10:02 PM

The Boylan Era starts with a victory. Hard-fought, a nail-biter, but a good game.

Some post-game thoughts: Deng is our 1st half go-to-guy, where as Gordon takes over the role in the 2nd half. Gordon coming off the bench, for at least 1 game, has been a brilliant idea. He played well, though I don't like how he started jacking up shots in the 4th. He was forcing it a bit, but he played great tonight. Kirk played much better. Sans the turnovers in the 1st quarter, he did a great job distributing and hit his shots when needed. He was an assist away from a double-double. I also love how he hit the glass hard in the 2nd half.

Nocioni needs to be getting less minutes, and if Big Ben plays like he did tonight more often, then he needs to be on the court more too. He was very active on defense, had some huge blocks, and he was able to distribute the ball a bit when he got it on offense. Tyrus was beyond terrible, and thats the reason he only played 4 minutes. He managed to have 2 turnovers and a foul in those 4 minutes as well. I really REALLY want to see Noah taking minutes from Noc right now. Gray continues to play quality minutes as well. And by giving the 2 of them more minutes, we also get some better interior offense/defense.

Loved the ball movement on offense, and the penetration was good from the guards. The Bulls free throw shooting s much improved this season as well. 29-33 from the stripe tonight. Those points help a ton. The defense needs improvement though. They need to get better at their help defense and getting around screens. And thats especially for Gordon and Nocioni.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Dec 28 2007, 10:23 PM

i thought they played really well, i liked boylan's idea of pushing the ball, but in the first half it didnt seem as they got many points off of it, i also noticed it wasnt always a guard bringing it up, wallace, and deng took it up a few times, and that never happened with skiles, and in the last game vs the spurs BG dunked it, and he never did that unless it was the playoffs, so it seemed like thy were playing more freely under boylan, hopefully he can keep the wins coming. that was za great screen by gray too, he just knocked ivey off his feet.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Dec 28 2007, 10:30 PM

Noah and Tyrus played 4 minutes between them. Gray played 14 minutes.

If those 2 are that bad that they don't deserve to be on the floor more than 4 minutes at this point while a 2nd rounder deserves 14, then Pax really ought to be fired.

Seriously, I'm just so sick of seeing these DNP-CD's on those guys...I'd rather lose a game because they make a mistake than have them sit on the bench any more. We just fired the damn coach, we're essentially starting over, put the damn kids in.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Dec 28 2007, 11:07 PM

I agree in part. They need to at least get a look at the guys on the court. I don't understand how a DNP-CD helps, but you've got to admit, Tyrus played miserably tonight in his 4 minutes. I mean, like, terrible. And I'd personally take the wins over seeing Tyrus and Noah on the court for 30 minutes. They deserve a look no matter what, give them a few minutes to see what they're bringing to the table that night. As of right now, you can't argue with the results. Not under Boylan at least.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Dec 29 2007, 01:00 AM

Tyrus didn't really need to be in the game tonight. He comes in when we need rebounding and a spark. We murdered them on the glass tonight and Tyrus pretty much killed any rythmn that we had in the 2nd quarter by his fouling and poor passing. I still want to see him getting up to 20 mpg if he can manage to provide a spark when he comes in. Tyrus is alot like Rex, you can usually tell wether he's going to be bad or good as soon as he makes the first few plays. Boylan and Scott aren't really that much different but I hope next time he really limits Noc's minutes. Maybe he's trying to be tough and play through an injury, idk, but he's been terrible these last few games and its taking ample playing time for Noah.

Good win, and were off to a good start, now lets kick the Knicks asses Sunday morning baby!

Posted by: MB33 Dec 29 2007, 10:50 AM

great win!