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 Feb 6 2007, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (eddog2 @ Feb 6 2007, 04:36 PM)  That's no blessing in disguise. It's easy to see that the Bulls are not a championship contender. They won't be a contender until they get a good PF/C that can score down low, or until they get a true all-star go to scorer/playmaker. (A Lebron/Wade type) That's not likely to happen soon, so their best option is trading for a PF that is a good post player. I think we can get Gasol without giving up tons of talent. It might take 1 of our key players and a future 1st rounder but it's worth the risk. I can't imagine the Grizz asking for much more than Gordon and PJ Brown in the end. Gasol isn't worth a lottery pick. |
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Feb 6 2007, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Feb 6 2007, 07:58 PM) I would be a lot happier about that structure of deal than about the structure of any deal moving Deng. Quick question worth asking; so if we were to lose Gordon + Sef, or Gordon on his own, can someone give me a suggestion of someone out there who might be able to replace little Ben that we might have a shot at? Specifically, does anyone know of some good, quick, penetrating shooting guards who might be available with a #10 pick in the draft, or who we might have a shot at by trading a #10 pick? Best shooting guard option in the draft is probably Chase Buddinger from Arizona. He's about 6'7" and is a good athlete, with some solid range on his shot. He's not really a driver though, his ball-handling is only decent. He also needs to bulk up a little, and defense could be an issue. You can really argue that he's more of a SF. The same is true for Corey Brewer and Marcus Williams, though the former fits the profile for a SG a bit more. He's another big wing player, only his ball-handling is a little better and he's more of a slasher. The best true SG is probably Daequan Cook from OSU. He's a heck of an athlete and he can shoot, but he still needs some work. He's horribly inconsistent, and his ball-handling and defense need some major work, and he could struggle against NBA-level guards. There aren't any really stellar options at SG though, this is a big man's draft. |
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Feb 6 2007, 08:53 PM
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Starter Group: Global Moderators Posts: 934 Joined: 3-April 06 Member No.: 98 |
what about bonzi wells, jason richardson, or corey magette?
All three seem to be available..........if do sef, gordon and PJ for gasol and then do sweets, knicks pick (think 7-10) and someone with a little upside like khryapa for magette...........nice hinrich/duhon maggette/griffin deng/noc gasol/Tyrus/malik Ben/Malik/Gasol nice 10- man rotation, though we'd only be left with three true.bigs........... Personally i really like sef, maybe more than tyrus, he's like a smooth scottie, and i would much rather give up a 2008 and/or 2009 first rounder (probably picks in the mid 20s) over him. At this point I would like the see the bulls give up Noc, PJ, 08 and 09 picks for gasol. I don't like any deals involving kirk, luol, sef, or tyrus, and i am hesitant to give up gordon, who deserved to be an all star this year. |
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Feb 7 2007, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (AirScott @ Feb 6 2007, 06:07 PM) I can't imagine the Grizz asking for much more than Gordon and PJ Brown in the end. Gasol isn't worth a lottery pick. We probably won't have a lottery pick and if we did we would be lucky to get a player as good as Gasol. Not only that, but unless it is Greg Oden we'd likely be waiting a few years till they reached Gasols level (and that is far from a guarantee). |
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Feb 7 2007, 01:39 PM
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6th Man Group: Members Posts: 690 Joined: 15-July 06 From: Elmhurst, IL Member No.: 214 |
QUOTE (CryptViLL @ Feb 5 2007, 10:33 PM) Why don't you like Hinrich? Im just curious.. I used to really like him, and I actually like his scrappiness like I said, but I just think hes really overrated. Weve been banking on him to lead us t the promise land for years and it isnt till the emergence of Gordon that I relaized how poor offensively Kirk is. |
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Feb 7 2007, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Feb 7 2007, 11:32 AM) I used to really like him, and I actually like his scrappiness like I said, but I just think hes really overrated. Weve been banking on him to lead us t the promise land for years and it isnt till the emergence of Gordon that I relaized how poor offensively Kirk is. To my eyes, Kirk is an average offensive player, and an above Average Point Guard on offense. He doesn't take over games like the best PG's in the league do, but he also hasn't been teamed with the kind of scoring threats that some of the best have either to create assists for him. The thing Kirk keeps doing though that impresses me is the shutdown defense. I'm told that Deron Williams had him back on his heels a little, but aside from that, how often do you see Kirk outmatched by who he's guarding? You stick Kirk on guys like D-Wade, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, some of the other best scoring guards in the league, and for the last few seasons, we've watched one after another put up 6/20 field goal shooting on the night or something like that. It is no accident that the Bulls keep leading the league or nearly leading the league in Opponent's FG %age, Capt. Kirk is a huge part of that. |
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Feb 8 2007, 09:48 AM
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I'm fresh. Group: Administrator Posts: 1,300 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Lombard, IL Member No.: 131 |
Interesting from the Daily Herald today.
QUOTE Something great’ for Gasol: Memphis owner Michael Heisley responded to a weekend report that the Grizzlies have lowered the asking price for 7-foot Pau Gasol. Whether the price has dropped or not, Heisley won’t give Gasol away.
“I’m not the guy making the trade,” Heisley said in the Memphis Commercial-Appeal. “But I know we’re not going to trade Pau Gasol just to reduce the payroll. That’s not a major part of this equation. We’ve got to get something great in return for him.” Trade talks between the Bulls and the Grizzlies don’t figure to heat up until just before the Feb. 22 trade deadline. One NBA executive suggested that if Bulls GM John Paxson made his best offer today, Memphis counterpart Jerry West would have two weeks to shop it around the league. |
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Feb 8 2007, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE Pedro (ESP)
Chad, whats going on with the Celtics! It seems like a bad dream! One side you see the team not wiining and going to get Greg-Durant and in the other side you have Pierce telling Ainge to trade the pick for Gasol! So Chad what's the best for them... Trade for Gasol now or get Greg-Durant and try to make some deal happen with Gerald Green, Delonte West, maybe Al Jefferson and a 1st. rd. pick for another top-proven player. So what's up Doc?! CHAD FORD At some point Danny Ainge is going to have to quit collecting assets and start building a team. What you have now is a team filled with interesting prospects and assets and ... Paul Pierce. Either you turn those assets into players who can help Paul win a championship (in fairness to Danny, I think he's tried, but just hasn't been able to find the right deal) or you trade Paul Pierce (who Danny said last week was untouchable). The current funk is getting so bad ... I don't think he can stay there much longer. As for Gasol, I think Ainge has tried (just as he did for Allen Iverson) but West isn't biting. Seems like Celtics fans value their young guys a lot more than others around the league do. KC, Los Angeles Are the bulls waiting to see if KG would be available before settling for Gasol? Is that a smart move? CHAD FORD NO .... I think the consensus around the league is that KG isn't going anywhere. The Wolves are respectable enough that they'll keep trying to bail out the ship with KG at the helm. I think what's happening with Gasol is that the Bulls are waiting until we get closer to the deadline to put their best offer forward for Gasol. They don't want Jerry West shopping or leaking their offer around the league. I think they'll make one more push for him around Feb 20th and then we'll see if it's enough. I remain in the camp that says West will only pull the trigger if it's a good deal for Memphis ... but owner Michael Heisley may force his hand. Robbie (Chicago) So Chad if you where Paxson, what would be your final offer to the Grizz for Gasol? CHAD FORD Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P. J. Brown. That gives West two young lottery picks and more cap relief. I wouldn't include Luol Deng in a trade. If the Grizz wanted the lottery pick of the Knicks instead of Thomas, I do that as long as it was Top 2 protected. |
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Feb 8 2007, 11:59 AM
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i dont think there is any way paxson puts gordon in the deal. K.C. Johnson was on the radio and he said word around the org. is that gordon is the only untouchable with the gasol deal. Said there would be no point to trade for gasol w/o gordon on the team to help stretch defenses with his shooting abilities. I think if and when this trade gets done, in the end it will be deng, brown and the pick (top 2 or 3 protected) for gasol.
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Feb 8 2007, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (steve9347 @ Feb 8 2007, 07:41 AM) Interesting from the Daily Herald today. I think the part about West having leverage if Pax makes his best offer now is very interesting. My guess is that Pax is holding his best cards till the end since West can wait till the deadlineto make the deal. At that point, Pax will have West backed to a wall because in the end Paxson doesn't necessarily have to make this deal (We have beaten the best teams in the league this year with our current lineup) but West may have to make the deal (If the owners have in fact said that payroll must be slashed) and at that point the Bulls would have all the leverage. Waiting it out and playing hard ball is the best choice for Pax, unless of course he is able to get West to bite on a deal he wants sometime in the next week or so. QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Feb 8 2007, 09:52 AM) i dont think there is any way paxson puts gordon in the deal. K.C. Johnson was on the radio and he said word around the org. is that gordon is the only untouchable with the gasol deal. Said there would be no point to trade for gasol w/o gordon on the team to help stretch defenses with his shooting abilities. I think if and when this trade gets done, in the end it will be deng, brown and the pick (top 2 or 3 protected) for gasol. That is very interesting. Personally I can't see Gordon being the only untouchable as I think both Deng/Hinrich are more valuable. However, Paxson may have something else up his sleeve if he does decide to move Deng. I mean in the end if we move Deng, I see the fact that we slide Noc into the SF spot and go with Hinrich/Gordon/Noc/Gasol/Wallace. That is both an exceptional offensive lineup (with two very good offensive players and Hinrich/Noc who are more than solid) as well as a pretty good defensive lineup (although Noc isn't near the defensive player that Deng is when it comes to guarding true "wing" players; still Noc is strong as a Bull and still more than solid defensively). That said dealing Deng would be us giving up our best star. If it was Deng I would not include Tyrus Thomas or anyone else other than PJ Brown (no draft picks, nothing) and than find a way to find another SF in the draft (which is typically far easier to find than a big like Gasol). In fact the more I think about it, while Deng is the most likely to be a star, he's probably the piece (well him or Noc) that we can afford to trade the most since we don't have another scorer like Gordon (if he's dealt) and if we move Hinrich we don't have another PG in the same league as that. |
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Feb 8 2007, 02:25 PM
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I am ok with one of three deals from Pax ( preference by order )
1. Ty Thomas Thabo Sefolosha Pj Brown 2009 first round pick 2. Ty Thomas Pj Brown 2007 first round pick (top 3 protected) 3. Loul Deng Pj Brown 2008 or 2009 first round pick (i'm not sure if we can deal the 2008) In return we only take on Gasol, I believe we should have that upperhand. We shouldnt have to take on any other of their bad contracts. |
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Feb 8 2007, 02:27 PM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,568 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 21 |
In other words, no one is offering much for Gasol, and West is hoping for a team (the Bulls) to get desparate.
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Feb 10 2007, 06:42 AM
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The best offer the Bulls could make would be Nocioni, Tyrus, Brown and the Bulls 2007 #1 pick. Anything beyond that and the Bulls should say no.
No Deng, Gordon, or Kirk. |
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Feb 10 2007, 12:09 PM
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6th Man Group: Members Posts: 690 Joined: 15-July 06 From: Elmhurst, IL Member No.: 214 |
Id like to see Gordon and Kirk stay . I have no problem giving them Deng/Thomas and Brown, something like that. I feel the same about Tyrus and Deng and wouldnt want to lose either one but with Gasol and Gordon we would have 2 go to offensive threats, one big, one small, both being able to shoot and one being able to play some post. We would also still have Kirk, Duhon, Noc and others for our jumpers that are normally hard to get off because we didnt have a low post threat.
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Feb 10 2007, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (beck72 @ Feb 10 2007, 04:35 AM) The best offer the Bulls could make would be Nocioni, Tyrus, Brown and the Bulls 2007 #1 pick. Anything beyond that and the Bulls should say no. No Deng, Gordon, or Kirk. If I am Pax, that is exactly the deal I want. I don't know if the Grizzlies will go for it, and I would be willing to consider including other people, but if they want one of those 3 guys you mention, then the value included alongw ith them has to go way down. They want Deng, Gordon, or Hinrich...then the Bulls keep the Knicks' pick, and probably Tyrus also, at least if I'm making the moves. |
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