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Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 30 2008, 10:33 PM

Game 1: Monday, July 7 vs Miami (Rose vs Beasley)

Game 2: Tuesday, July 8 vs Indiana

Game 3: Wednesday, July 9 vs Orlando

Game 4: Thursday, July 10 vs New Jersey (should be a good PG match-up with Rose/Williams)

Game 5: Friday, July 11 vs Seattle (Rose vs Wetbrook)

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/Magic_to_Host_Pro_Summer_Leagu-274224-66.html

Paxson said in today's press conference that we should expect to see Rose, Nichols, Thomas, Gray, and Noah. I'd assume Thabo might be there as well.

NOTE: ALL GAMES WILL BE VIDEOCASTED LIVE ON ORLANDOMAGIC.COM

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 30 2008, 10:42 PM

Awesome, thanks for putting this up

For my predictions :

Rose- 11.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 4.9 apg

Tyrus- 14.6 8.0 rpg 2.2 apg 2.7 bpg

Thabo- 10.0 ppg 5.3 rpg 3.4 apg

Noah- 6.8 ppg 8.6 rpg 1.4 bpg

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 30 2008, 10:44 PM

Those are pretty tame. Tyrus dropped 16 last year, Thabo had 15.

Posted by: dasox24 Jun 30 2008, 10:51 PM

I know it's just summer league, but it's hard not to get excited to see Rose on the court for the 1st time in a Bulls jersey... As well as him playing with Tyrus, Thabo, Noah, etc...

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 10:51 PM

Hopefully Thabo is there as additional playing time would be good for him. The only reason I wouldn't expect him there is if he is playing on his international team (assuming Sweden (or was it Switzerland) has a team) in the summer olympics? Or am I completely off-based there.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 10:52 PM

I wonder what the tv schedule will be. I'd have to imagine ESPN will cover the Rose/Beasley game (they usually televise at least a few summer league games). Hell with the advent of NBA TV I wouldn't be surprised if they televise some of the summer league games as well (what else are they going to show during July).

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 30 2008, 10:53 PM

The Magic website will videocast all the games live online, not sure about TV games.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 10:55 PM

What can you guys tell me about this Nichols character that the Bulls are keeping over Curry (who essentially was released by the Bulls or am I mistaken by that). I saw where they gave Nichols a qualifying offer but not Curry.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 30 2008, 10:58 PM

Curry obviously has the off-court issues, but Nichols was the 15th man on the roster nearly the entire season. Didn't play much at all. He's a SF with a good outside shot. Here's he scouting report...

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/demetrisnichols.html

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 30 2008, 11:02 PM

IIRC NBATV normally televises a fair number of the summer league games. Pretty sure that's a premium channel on most providers though.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 11:03 PM

Thanks Slav. I remembered him on the roster, but for some reason, can't picture him actually on the court other than for a couple minutes (but I was pretty terrible towards the end of the season at watching the games cause all I'd do was get frustrated with the absolute piss poor fundementals the Bulls were displaying most of the season; as well as the horrid rotations Boylan was throwing out there).

I'm so thrilled about the changes made at the coaching ranks (loved Skiles a lot and am very appreciative of what he did) as I really believe Del Negro and the new assistants are going to be tremendous assets. I say this with the assumption the Bulls get Harris which I think will be huge. You have Harris and Bickerstaff as well as some solid developmental coaches and you are talking about a tremendous coaching staff (one that rivals what the Bulls used to do when Phil Jackson was here, where Phil was a more quiet, motivator and his assistants were much more engulfed in the X's and O's throughout the season; although Phil would take over in key situations).

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 11:04 PM

Yeah, its typically on the sports tier for most cable networks (or at least my network). SO essentially as long as you get NFL/ESPNews than you should get NBA TV.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jun 30 2008, 11:04 PM

pax said practice for summer league starts thursday. im exited to see what rose does with tyrus and noah and even thabo if he plays. it will be interesting to see who the bulls fill up the rest of their roster with.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 30 2008, 11:06 PM

What would be cool is if the Bulls could bring the euro player over for summer league each year to just get him familiar with the coaching staff and let the Bulls brass give him pointers and have there coaches help him on getting better. Obviously the Euro League team would have a hissy fit since he could potentially get hurt and would than have an impact on the Euro Team (since they are paying his salary, not the Bulls).

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 1 2008, 10:10 AM

So I take it none of the Bulls will be playing in the Las Vegas summer league this year? Crap. I was actually going to be in Vegas for the first few days of that league.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 1 2008, 11:56 AM

Isn't the Vegas Summer League supposedly the best one?

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 1 2008, 12:02 PM

Yes. It's far more organized and what not. Many more teams also compete.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 2 2008, 03:40 PM

there will be a 4 day mini camp at the berto center july 3-6, and then 5 games in 5 days in orlando.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/summer_league08.html

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 2 2008, 03:51 PM

A lineup of Rose/Langford/Simmons/Thomas/Noah should be pretty fun to watch.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 2 2008, 05:21 PM

Yes, absolutely fun to watch...

A couple of side notes here: I'm not surprised Thabo isn't participating, but it would have been fun to see him there too. And, none of the free agents on the team seem to excite me much expect for Langford. I guess they didn't bother signing any of the bigger UDFA's since even if they do play really well, there's not really a spot for them on this team. Plus, it just means even more PT for Rose/Thomas/Noah...

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 2 2008, 05:34 PM

That kinda stinks Thabo won't be there. I heard he had a kid, maybe that has something to do with it, or he just flat out didn't wanna be in it?

Posted by: TeaLeafReaderII Jul 2 2008, 06:47 PM

The vegas league is geared more towards fans and making money. The competitions really isn't that different.

And if there is any international compettion going on, you can pretty much count on Thabo participating. Him and his brother are the leaders of the Swiss team. I'm not sure if they will be in gthe olympics though. I think the crushing loss to Deng and Great Britain last summer knocked him ougt;.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jul 5 2008, 02:38 PM

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080704-chris-duhon-chicago-bulls-knicks,1,4282769.story

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 6 2008, 08:09 PM

what time does tomorrow's game start? the schedule is on the bulls site but it doesnt say if its central time or not.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 7 2008, 08:37 AM

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/summerleague.html

Yet again, watch all the games live, online.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 7 2008, 11:56 AM

That should be sweet. I'm going to try and catch part of the game tonight. Rose vs Beasley

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 01:30 PM

The Bulls should be playing sometime around 5.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 7 2008, 01:36 PM

says on nba.com 4:00 central time.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 01:43 PM

Hmm, maybe the times at Orlando.com are eastern so that sounds about right.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 01:49 PM

Shoot, I think you have to have NBA TV to view the games. This sucks, it wasn't that way last year!

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 7 2008, 01:53 PM

No you don't it's working fine.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 02:50 PM

For some dumb reason I can't view the games. I was fine with it last year but this year I can't. Gay!

Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jul 7 2008, 02:56 PM

These announcers are SOOO ANNOYING!! They are not even talking about basketball. Just reading emails and not even calling the action. Its ridiculous.

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 03:06 PM

video was working fine for me for the first game but now it wont buffer to 100percent

Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jul 7 2008, 03:09 PM

Yeah me too. Hopefully they just cut the feed and will turn it back on when the game starts.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 7 2008, 03:17 PM

Bulls brought the house.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 7 2008, 03:18 PM

Tyrus with the big foul already.

Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jul 7 2008, 03:26 PM

YEah this is great. Its exactly what we want to see in summer league; the refs blowing their whistle on every possesion.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 7 2008, 03:28 PM

they really need to stop calling tyrus the soul eater.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:29 PM

Not looking so hot so far, Noah and Tyrus struggling to score inside. Down 10-8 I think, Rose and Thomas each with two. Beasley is shooting a lot.

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 03:34 PM

so far im not impressed by Rose

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:35 PM

Meh, Tyrus still thinks he's a jump-shooter.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 03:39 PM

Well, I'm just glad I finally got the video to work about a minute before the quarter ended... Seems like I haven't missed much; let's hope that changes.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 7 2008, 03:39 PM

its hard to tell but it looks like gray lost weight.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:41 PM

Stephan Lasme is dominating this game right now.

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 03:41 PM

this second string is terrible

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 03:42 PM

Damn, that's 2 straight possessions Simmons got owned by Lasme... That's not a way to impress Bulls management.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 03:48 PM

Who the hell is "lionel chalmers?"

The guy who keeps saying that is a moron. How are you gonna mess up "Mario" with "Lionel" when this guy is a pretty well-known player? Hell, even if he was some no-name scrub, if you're announcing the game, you should be prepared and not mess that up.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 03:49 PM

Can someone give me a score update? Who's looking good/bad? I hear Tyrus has like 3 blocks but has played poorly overall, along with Joakim. What about Rose?

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:51 PM

They all look pretty bad, down like 13. Rose is like 1-3 with 2 turnovers, Tyrus is like 1-4 (only saw one block), Noah hasn't been finishing at all inside.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:51 PM

Wow, Tyrus got a generous block call on that drive he made...

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 03:52 PM

rose is like 1/3 with 2pts and 1 assist i think. Hes played rather poorly thro most of the game. Thomas is playin okay, his shot looks a little better and he seems to be in more control.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 03:54 PM

Ooh, that's what I've wanted to see out of Rose. Nice little shake-junt move there. Wish he could've finished it, though...

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:55 PM

Rose finally made a nice, aggressive drive to draw a foul, 1-2 from the lines.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 03:55 PM

Thomas with a nice block on Chalmers after he got by Rose.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 03:58 PM

Demitris Nichols is having himself a good game, from what I've seen....

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 7 2008, 04:00 PM

Im confused, has the offense mostly consisted of Rose dribbling up the court into a corner and then throwing the ball back to the top of the arc?

Cause it seems every time I watch this is the play the bulls are running.

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 04:01 PM

wow rose just bounced the ball off his foot

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:02 PM

And Rose just dribbled it off his foot... haha

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:08 PM

Btw, this Heat team is stacked for being a summer league team... Beasley, Pat Calathes, Mario Chalmers, Stephane Lasme, Kasib Powell, David Padgett, Marco Killingsworth

Down 14 at half... Rose has 3 pts still, I think

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 04:10 PM

How arent we stacked. Seriously we have Noah, Thomas, Gray, JamesOn Curry, Derrick Rose, Demetris Nichols. All of these players have nba experience except Rose. We should be dominating

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 04:12 PM

Wow, I know this is just a meaningless summer league game but to hear we are playing like dog crap is a bit scary. Is Rose's tendinitis really killing him that much to play this poorly?

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 04:13 PM

Rose just doesnt look like hes tryin to do anything. Hes look at the basket like twice throughout the entire first half.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:14 PM

We are. You're completely right. We should dominate any team we play considering we have 2 probable starters (Rose and Noah) and a possible starter (TT) for our NBA team out there. It's kind of sad how poorly they're playing, actually... I mean, I wouldn't worry, but it is a bit depressing watching them all suck out there.

Posted by: Cowch Jul 7 2008, 04:14 PM

Maybe the game plan is to not have Rose shoot.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:19 PM

1st half stats:

Nichols - 12 pts
Rose - 3 pts, 2 assists, 4 turnovers
Tyrus - 4 pts

Beasley - 9 pts

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 04:21 PM

Rose - 5TOs

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:22 PM

Tyrus just had a nice follow up dunk... Rose drove the lane, missed the floater, and Tyrus brought it home.

Hold on, is the OK City team really gonna be called the Thundercats??? That's awful.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 04:24 PM

Brings to mind the song, "THUNDERCATS WOH OH OH"

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:29 PM

Finally, Rose coast-to-coast for the layup

EDIT: Rose with another nice drive. Fouled, missed the shot, made both free throws

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 04:31 PM

Holy cow, does Beasley really already have 19 points?

Posted by: daa84 Jul 7 2008, 04:32 PM

20 or 21 i think....as rose misses 2 FTs....oh and beasley has only played a quarter and a half...and hes been playing down low vs. noah


check that 23 for beasley

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:32 PM

23 pts now... He's playing really well. Just on-fire this 2nd half.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:38 PM

Rose has settled down a bit...

Gray is getting destroyed. How the hell did he play fairly well against real NBA competition last season, but can't do spiff against summer league guys?

Well, down 20 at end of 3rd. I'm out. Got a softball game...

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 7 2008, 04:43 PM

Oh, as for stats:

Nichols - 13
Thomas - 12
Rose - 10 pts, only 1 TO in the 3rd quarter

Beasley is 8 of 18 for 23 points. Not the best % for a PF...

Posted by: daa84 Jul 7 2008, 04:43 PM

i hope rose runs runs and runs ,....hes so much more of a factor when hes getting up and down the court

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 04:53 PM

Wow, so almost 30 points 10 rebounds now for Beasley?! Unbelievable how bad we are getting blown out.

Posted by: daa84 Jul 7 2008, 04:56 PM

yeah but hes only 6-7 and his character issues have caused problems in the clubhouse

Posted by: Cowch Jul 7 2008, 04:56 PM

Thank God most these guys won't be making the team. So many bad looks and TOs...

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 7 2008, 05:01 PM

"character issues" i have yet to hear wat exactly these are. So far Rose has seemed to have more character issues with his 100mph speeding ticket

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 7 2008, 08:31 PM

summer league pictures
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news;_ylt=A0WTTkrvzXJID5MAeRDRtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?p=chicago+bulls&c=images&ei=UTF-8&datesort=1&fr=&x=wrt

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=chicago%20bulls&src=quick#

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 7 2008, 08:34 PM

Stats:

Rose- 10 points, 2 boards, 4 assists, 5 turnovers, 3-8 from the field and 4-8 from the line
Thomas- 12 points, 10 boards, 3 blocks, 3-7 from the field, 6-7 from the line, just under 19 minutes played so a nice rate of production
Noah- 7 points, 7 boards, 2 blocks 2-5 from the field, only 3-8 from the line
Nichols- 12 points, 5 boards, 5-12 from the field (not a good sign that he shot more than the 3 key guys)
Langford- An impressive 13 points on 5-6 shooting, also impressive that his only other contribution to the stat sheet was one turnover
Curry- 0-4 with 2 turnovers, not a good game
Gray- 0-3 with 2 fouls in 7 minutes
Simmons- Somehow got 3 blocks in 9 minutes, but was also 0-2 with 2 turnovers


Beasley put up 28 and 9 in just under 23 minutes, that's pretty damn impressive. Took 21 shots to do it though, well below the norm for him in the efficiency department (though that might not be unusual in the league). While he'll still be highly productive, I can't see him getting that many shots as long as Wade is healthy.

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 7 2008, 09:26 PM

I think my feelings are documented, I just hope that Im wrong and today was an aberration. e

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 7 2008, 10:31 PM

Tyrus ended up playing pretty well then I guess. Rose looked like he played a bit better to in the second half but some say he looks to passive out there. I hope tomorrow brings a better performance overall for this team and we can get a W.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 8 2008, 07:24 AM

Then you didn't read any articles.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 8 2008, 07:27 AM

This thread was ABSOLUTELY hilarious to read through. People already talking up B Easy and down on Rose. Guess what? It took Beasley 21 shots to score 28 points today. Whoopteedoo. That was against a team that had zero interior defense.

Derrick Rose is a point guard. Did you really think he'd work well with a bunch of scrubs he's never played with before? You all were on board with Rose, even though PGs are going to take longer to develop than a 6'7" SF with range (and that's where Beasley should be playing in the NBA).

If Rose scores one more point this Summer League you shouldn't be concerned. It's freaking Summer League. You know... it was a game where Kasib Powell scored 15 points, Keith Langford scored 13, Tyrus had a double-double. It means jack spiff.

Calm down!

Posted by: daa84 Jul 8 2008, 08:17 AM

first of all, not everyone was on board with rose over beasley...and i think thats what this is about more than anything...in addition, beasley abused joakim noah, who is supposed to be in the lineup for his defense and rebounding...and those scrubs he was playing with? well thomas noah and gray figure to get quite a few minutes down low this year so he will be playing wiht them all year...and 6 TOs which came against the heats version of those scrubs as well, so thats a double edged sword

clearly to give up on this kid after 1 summer league game is beyond knee jerk, and absolutely absurd...and nobody is doing that...but i think the game emphasized the points of those who wanted beasley over rose

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 09:02 AM

It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Beasley would look better early than Rose, especially considering the same thing happened in college. Be prepared for Beasley to put up very good stats the next couple years while Rose tries to develop as a PG. People are still giving Tyrus time after two years of relatively little progress (I'm sure others will argue that, really not the point here), Rose should get just as much if not more before we start panicking given his immense talent.

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 8 2008, 09:03 AM

I dont know who you're speaking to but Ive consistently stated that Rose was not the player I wanted.

Ive had to listen to people for weeks now tell me how wrong I was, how Beasley was no good, how Rose was a superstar and was going to create a new Bulls dynasty.

/shrugs

I hope that I am wrong, its just one of those decisions that I always have disagreed with.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 09:11 AM

Quiet you, back to Soxtalk.

I think he's just saying that 99% of this board was grossly in favor or Rose leading up to the draft and now seemingly after the first sign of a hiccup people are flipping out. Personally, my position has always been that they're both going to end up being very good players, probably a slight Beasley lean given that he's more of a finished product at the moment, but I wasn't exactly going to flip out if we took a very talented PG in Rose. I guess people forgot that Beasley can play with all of the "character concerns" and him coming in a bit shorter than advertised (6'8 1/4" in shoes instead of 6'9", whoopie).

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 8 2008, 10:27 AM

Rose improved in the second half while Thomas really stepped up big after having early foul trouble. The 2nd half performances from both of them were about the only positives to come from the game (that and no one getting hurt). However, it should be obvious that it is more difficult for a PG who is going to be running an offense to have early struggles than a PF whose getting the ball placed in his hands and just working on scoring.

I really don't think you can read too much into the production of Rose in his first game. If you want to be concerned, look at the early struggles of Tyrus Thomas and Noah's poor play, but again, it is the first game and the team is running a different offense and working with a rookie point guard who was playing in his first professional game.

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 8 2008, 03:47 PM

Beasley went 1/13 today, so Id venture to guess no matter what Rose looks better tonight.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:08 PM

With 5 turnovers and 7 fouls too.

See, Beasley is an overrated selfish player that won't do anything for your team!!!!1

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:14 PM

Game #2 for the Bulls is about to tip off, doesn't sound like there are commentators this time.

Edit- Meh, and Rose gets his first turnover out of the way early. He really seems to need to work on his passing/decision making on ball screens.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:20 PM

They're not starting any better. Tyrus has a bad miss on a turnaround in the post and a travel on another, someone fumbled a good Rose pass on the break. Only highlight thus far is an outlet from Rose that resulted in a lay-up (can't tell who got it, no announcer and didn't see number).

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:23 PM

Tyrus with a pretty solid drive that resulted in a foul.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:24 PM

Nice, Rose picks up a loose ball/steal and leads the break for a lay-up and foul.

I'll stop now until someone else posts barring an amazing play.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 8 2008, 05:43 PM

Updates please?

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:45 PM

Bulls winning now, something like 16-11 (not having announcers sucks). Not a whole lot from the big boys so far.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 8 2008, 05:47 PM

i like this langford guy, but i know nothing about him. he looks good so far, but i dont think there is room on our team to keep him.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:50 PM

Shooting guard from Kansas, graduated a while ago (was the other backcourt player with Kirk and Miles). He was pretty solid, but had persistant injury issues (nothing too serious, just enough to throw him off). He was never really a special athlete or shooter and he's a bit small for the 2, which is why we haven't heard more about him.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:51 PM

Rose looks more aggressive/involved today, but I think he's still 0-3 from the field.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 05:55 PM

Rose with a great pass in transition with two guys near him to Noah for a dunk.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 06:03 PM

I missed the last few minutes, and it appears it might have been a good thing. Tied 32-32 now, pretty sure it was like a 7 point lead when I left.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 06:08 PM

Interesting, Kevin Durant played in game 2 for OKC, no wonder they won by 23.

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 8 2008, 06:13 PM

Is Rose afraid of shooting the ball seriously?!?! he needs to at least try to score, kinda gettin sick of him dribbling to the 3pt line then simply passing it away.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 06:23 PM

Rose actually made a shot!

He's expontentially better in transition than in the half court.

Posted by: daa84 Jul 8 2008, 06:30 PM

i jumped in late...can someone tell me how we/rose specifically look?

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 06:48 PM

Bulls down 5 now. Rose has looked much better in terms of passing and aggressiveness (at least from the first half yesterday, didn't get to watch the second), he's still not scoring at all though. He's not doing anything in the halfcourt unless he draws a foul on the drive. Looks like a pretty boring night for Thomas/Noah from what I've seen, seems to be a lot of the non-roster guys doing the damage.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 06:52 PM

Right after I say that a really nice drive and finish by Rose, went around the guy trying to draw the charge and layed it in.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 8 2008, 06:58 PM

So what does Rose's statline look like ya think? Are we winning the game or not?

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 07:00 PM

Down 6, got mostly scrubs in now.

If I had to guess right now I'd say something like 7 points and 6 assists for Rose, though I missed some of the game. Stats should be up in an hour or two.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 8 2008, 07:07 PM

Rose played very well in the first half, should have had another 4-5 assists if it weren't for the scrubs blowing easy lay-ups/shots.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 07:07 PM

Bulls down 10 now, Tyrus/Curry/Gray in right now.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 07:10 PM

Um, yeah, I think I had the scores reversed this whole time.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 07:14 PM

Yep, I did, my apologies. Hard to keep track when they show the scoreboard like twice a quarter (just started showing it more often recently). Bulls up 5 with less than a minute to go.

Posted by: eddog2 Jul 8 2008, 07:19 PM

Westbrook & Green also had good games. Courtney Lee shined for the Magic. That's a pretty good sign considering Westbrook, Durant, & Green all played significant minutes. That likely shows he can be effective as a scorer against starters in this league.

Posted by: bulls91 Jul 8 2008, 07:20 PM

BULLS WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 07:27 PM

Actually, according to the recap 18 of Lee's 27 came in the 4th quarter when the game was already over and OKC had put in the scrubs. Still a good sign for him that he could do it though, did a lot better than Beasley today, who couldn't handle Sean Williams.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 08:01 PM

Stats

Thomas- 17 points and 7 boards with 2 steals and 1 block and 5 turnovers, 6-13 from the field. Either he made a bunch of baskets when I was gone or I couldn't figure out the number. I only remember like 6 of those points, pretty good line outside of the turnovers.

Rose- 9 points, 6 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals, 3 turnovers, 2-9 from the field. Really solid outside of the scoring.

Noah- 4 points, 3 rebounds, 6 fouls. Only 15 minutes.

Langford- 19 points, 4 turnovers, somehow 3 blocks, 6-7 from the floor. Nice shooting.

Nichols- 16 points, took 13 shots again, 3 turnovers, 3 boards, 2 steals

Gray- 5-7 from the field for 14 points, 5 boards

Curry- 4-7 from the field, 10 points and 6 assists, mostly in garbage time

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 8 2008, 09:59 PM

You should all anoint Beasley the savior today. He shot 1-13, but the Bulls screwed up and Rose sucks.

Please note the sarcasm.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 8 2008, 10:01 PM

You know, I'm gonna have to take exception to this. You make it sound like a majority of the thread were freaking out over Rose having a poor day. I think Zoom and I were the 2 most involved people in this thread for yesterday's game and neither of us were "talking down on Rose", and I don't remember too much negativity from anyone else. So, I just read over the thread again and I mean, maybe there were a few "damn, Rose looked bad there" or whatnot, but I absolutely do not think anyone was talking down on Rose. Just calling it like you see it. If the guy made a bad play, he made a bad play. I think you're allowed to comment on that, but in no way were people bringing up how we should have taken Beasley or anything like that, which is what I feel you're pointing out here. The most inflammatory comment I may have made was like "we should be dominating this game... I wouldn't worry, but it is sort of depressing watching us suck." Yeah, so I said watching the game was disappointing. Well, it was. But, I also said not to worry about it. Basically pointing out the fact that it's only summer league, and I think that's how most people felt yesterday.

Hell, I think the only person who made a slight comment about us regretting not taking Beasley is a guy who has been documented as always wanting Beasley over Rose...

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 8 2008, 10:12 PM

It's freakin' summer league, I wouldn't get too worried about either player. There are plenty of games left before they even start counting. Most rookies are going to look good-to-great at times and struggle at others (though Russell Westbrook is off to an awesome start, maybe we should have taken him ).

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 8 2008, 10:12 PM

I guess it was just a lot of bitching and whining about how good beasley was doing. Seems Serbbojo was the guy bringing most up. I'd say you're right for the most part that it wasn't tons of Rose trash talking.

Anyway, they are both rookies, in the end I think the Bulls will be happy.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 9 2008, 01:25 PM

isnt it supposed to start at 2?

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 9 2008, 01:27 PM

Is it just me or is the link for the webcast of todays game missing on the Magic site?

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 9 2008, 01:29 PM

i dont have a link either

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 9 2008, 01:30 PM

It's definitely not there. Either the broadcast hasn't started yet or the webcasting is down.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:39 PM

Link for Game 3:
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/11191/300_nba-orlandmagic_060502.asx

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:41 PM

Also, if you have any buffering issues do this:
To Fix buffering issues
Tools---->Options----->Performance---->Change Buffer settings from default to 25 or 30secs

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:41 PM

Derrick Rose is not playing in the game, due to the jammed knee he suffered late in yesterday's game. However, Tyrus Thomas is playing (it was speculated that he had played his last summer league game as Del Negro just wanted him to play a game or two to get comfortable with Rose).

I think its a good thing we get a little more of Tyrus. The more practice in game type situations the better, imo.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 9 2008, 01:43 PM

Nice work Jas.

And announcers too, solid.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:44 PM

And the Twins are losing right now!!!

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 9 2008, 01:45 PM

Meh, not good about Rose, suddenly I care a lot less.

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 9 2008, 01:46 PM

Thanks for the link, thought id ahve to do work this afternoon.

Dont they know its the summer.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:46 PM

Tyrus had a sick baseline fade-away jumper from about 15 feet out earlier in the game. Noah has quite a few early boards.

Langford or whatever his name is from Kansas has been playing rock solid so far in the summer league.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:54 PM

Tyrus is playing aggressive and really doing well. He's using his athleticism to get to the rim and finish.

Also, found this quote interesting in KC Johnson's latest tribune blog (regarding Tyrus):

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 01:55 PM

43-41 Chicago at the half.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 9 2008, 02:19 PM

Tyrus still has an ugly, inconsistent shot, but it looks like he's improved his dribbling. He gets to the line a lot because he is a terrible finisher. Noah has looked far from impressive while Demetris Nichols looks like a very good shooter.

Posted by: Soxbadger Jul 9 2008, 02:30 PM

From what ive been seeing looks like Tyrus is driving/penetrating more which is a good thing as hes pretty athletic.

Langford has been a nice surprise too, I know he was a Jayhawk at some point so he had to have at least some pedigree pre-injury.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 02:43 PM

Noah has played better today but foul issues are a definite concern. Tyrus has really played tremendous. 18 pts and 2 blocks early for Tyrus and its early in the 4th quarter. He has looked tremendous on the pick and roll sets and seems much more agressive going to the hoop. Whether its driving or instead of taking a 20 foot jumper, moving up and popping a 15 footer.

Shot still a bit awkward but I actually think its relatively decent and getting better. His dribbling/driving has been very impressive. I still expect him to get "lost" offensively often this season (where he gets over-agressive and turns into a black-hole/turn-over machine) but long-term I am feeling confident about Tyrus developing into a difference maker for the Bulls (note, I am not saying "star").

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 02:48 PM

Tyrus with the steal and the jam. I'd be surprised if Thomas plays in any more games. This is back to back very good performances from Tyrus. Only way he plays in another game is with Rose, imo.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 9 2008, 05:01 PM

tyrus dropped 25 today, its just summer league but its good to see.

vote for DYE!!

Posted by: Serbbojo Jul 9 2008, 05:32 PM

ya Tyrus looked a lot more in control in these games. Last year whenever he got the ball on the run he would just ram people over and pick up offensive fouls. Now hes using pull up jumpers and slowing down and changing directions. Looks like hes improved.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 9 2008, 05:41 PM

He's still a terrible finisher around the bucket and only gets to the line because of that. Nonetheless, it's good to see him being aggressive I suppose. Thought he WAS playing against crap.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 9 2008, 06:19 PM

Stats from the game:

Thomas- 25 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 turnovers. 8-19 from the field. The points look nice, but man, that's a lot of shots, and you'd hope he'd shoot better than 42% against those scrubs.

Noah- 10 points, 12 boards, 3 assists. 4-11 from the field, not a good percentage at all.

None of the other guys really stood out, a lot of decent but not stellar performances.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 9 2008, 11:55 PM

Those are the comments following Rose's 2nd game from Jonathan Givony of Draft Express. Definitely some harsh comments and I can't agree with his assessment at all. Rose was much more agressive and had some tremendous passes. Offensively he hasn't at all looked to score and we all know his jumper is raw, but he improved immensely from the first half of the first game.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 10 2008, 08:59 AM

I'm not sure it's possible for him to have looked worse than in the first game.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 10 2008, 11:20 AM

That doesn't make any sense. Why does it matter if you're a terrible finisher around the basket? You're still getting to the line regardless as long as contact is being made. When you're aggressive and you attack the basket you get the calls, and that is what Tyrus is doing.

Its good to see him breakout but this is what we should be expecting. He's a 3rd year player and he should be playing like he is. If he can't score against NBDL talent, I'd be very worried but like I said, it's always good to see him put some points on the board, and get used to playing with Derrick Rose.

I've heard from people say that Tyrus' positional defense has been horrible though.... How much of that is true? Is he running the floor well now?

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 10 2008, 12:45 PM

You're kidding, right?

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 10 2008, 12:58 PM

why does everyone hate on tyrus? i dont get it.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 10 2008, 01:02 PM

Because the only time he shows any potential is in Summer League or in garbage minutes, and even then he still can't finish.

Posted by: bulls91 Jul 10 2008, 01:06 PM

It will be good to see what Noah can do on D aginst Brook Lopez a really good post player.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 10 2008, 02:23 PM

lol, of course, you only highlight that. My point was directed towards getting to the foul line. Even if he's a horrible finisher, yet he's still getting to the line, what the hell does it matter?

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 10 2008, 02:47 PM

I don't hate him. I like him a hell of a lot more than I like Noah. I'd deal Noah any day of the week before I traded Tyrus (assuming they had similar trade values). Tyrus has the ability to be a difference maker. Joakim Noah doesn't.

The big reason some people hate Tyrus is because he hasn't exactly endeared himself to the fans or said/done all the right things. The other thing is that some people ignore all of his mistakes and consider him amazing while others hammer everything little mistake and think he's pure crap. The reality is he's a kid who has the potential to be good to very good (no, not a 30PPG scorer or even a 20 PPG scorer, but he could be a 17PPG, 12 RPG, 2.5 BPG difference maker) and its a matter of actually getting him minutes and seeing if he can develop.

The Bulls had trouble getting him minutes because at times he's been very immature (again, rubbing those who hate him, the wrong way). I see both sides to it and probably fall more in line with a Tyrus backer (simply because on this forum, there are tons of Tyrus "haters"). This will be a make or break season for him.

Thus far he's done everything right this off-season and that is a great first step and a strong first impression to make to the new coaching regime.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 10 2008, 02:49 PM

Technically speaking if your a horrible finisher at some point teams will stop falling you and let you miss those shots. The reality is he's not really a horrible finisher, he's just a very raw player. He has the moves to get into the paint and take shots that will have a high percentage of going in or him getting fouled (and thus going to the line). IIRC, he shot something close to 80% from the free throw line starting around December (pretty damn solid if you ask me).

Tyrus is making improvements and I think this new coaching staff, teamed with his improved attitude (he's a kid, he's allowed to have an adjustment period) will be very helpful for him.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 10 2008, 03:24 PM

In the Summer League Tyrus is light years ahead of most of the people on the floor athletically, has two years of NBA experience, and quite frankly should be destroying these people because he's one of the top 5 or so players in this league. 90% of these guys won't see the active roster in the NBA. He's simply not going to get 13 shots and 8 FT attempts per game in the regular season, which means he simply won't be scoring as much by default. It'll also be harder for him to drive and get those attempts when he does get a chance against guys that won't be in the NBDL, overseas, or working a real job in a few weeks. He'll also likely get far fewer calls as he'll no longer be the best and most aggressive player on the floor most of the time.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 10 2008, 03:25 PM

Derrick Rose will not play in today's summer league game. Tyrus Thomas wont' be playing in any more summer league games.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 10 2008, 03:28 PM

Rose may actually be shut-down for at least the remainder of the week, if not for the remainder of summer league play.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 10 2008, 03:37 PM

Isn't there only one more summer league game anyways?

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 10 2008, 03:51 PM

Is it only 5 games? I have no idea.

Posted by: Sanitarium Jul 10 2008, 10:15 PM

That's all under the assumption that he's going to play at the same level he did last year. If he steps it up, who knows.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 10 2008, 10:32 PM

He'd still be the 4th option AT BEST as things stand right now. Unless he has EXPONENTIAL improvement over last year it ain't going to happen. Obviously I and several others doubt he'll be a major scoring threat against NBA competition in the near future. Even if he did keep driving and scoring, 13 shots and 8 FT's is a usage rate he's not touching, there are very few people in the league that draw enough fouls to get 8 FT's a game (and they're all star-level scorers). Asking for 12 points and 8 boards from him is one thing, that's an entirely different one. I'd actually have more hope for him being a productive scorer if he had scored like 14 a game on 50-something percent shooting than what he did, that scoring rate is very similar to last season.

Posted by: eddog2 Jul 10 2008, 10:48 PM

While you make a valid point with the shot totals and all you also have to consider that in the regular season when we get him accustomed to a consistent starting 5 unit there will be other scorers on the floor to draw attention away from him and make his scoring opportunities easier. Rose's driving ability for one will be huge for him. And if we start Rose & Gordon which is a big if then a Rose, Gordon, Deng lineup will free up so many open looks for Tyrus it won't be funny and he'll soon be respected much like Tyson has earned respect in New Orleans. He won't get 13 shots but he'll get 8-10 quality shots. And if he gets 8-10 quality shots he'll make 5-6 of them a night and maybe 3-4 free throws and that's 13-16 ppg. That's all the scoring I want out of him this year. I want that scoring, 9-11 rpg, and 2 bpg. That's the kind of increase in production that I'd like to see. Then we can worry about the next year.

It may take some time and maybe more than we'd all like but he didn't have to play in the Summer League. Just ask Thabo. He chose to play. Obviously guys in the summer league view playing against Tyrus as a personal challenge and a stage to show what they have. That's why even if he was a 20 or 30 ppg scorer he can't show it in the pre-season.

While I agree that he's not a 20 - 30 ppg scorer I also don't think it was necessary for him to come out here and average that in the pre-season. I just wanted him to come out and play well and play hard and most importantly make a good impression on the coaching staff. And when it was all said and done I think he accomplished those 3 things. Tyrus will be fine. My faith in him has slowly been rising and when he was drafted I was the happiest fan alive. Sure he stumbled out of the gate but I still remember watching those LSU games praying that we could add this guy to the Bulls.

He is a Bull much like Chandler was and we better not sell the franchise short again by not realizing what we have.

Posted by: eddog2 Jul 10 2008, 11:04 PM

For crying out loud. Tyrus played really well looking at the box scores. He only played 27.4 mpg and he averaged 18 ppg, averaged 7.7 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 1 spg, and shot 83.3% from the line.

Extrapolate that out to 35 mpg and you get 23 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.55 bpg, & 1.2 spg. Those are very solid stats.

On the flip side, I'd say it was Noah who didn't bring much of a game. Especially considering he's a full 1 1/2 years older than Tyrus and that he should have been busting his but after his recent run in with the law.

Noah averaged about 21 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, .5 spg, .5 bpg (that's not a freakin typo .5 freakin bpg. When you're that tall you shouldn't even have to jump to block .5 a game) and shot a poor 57.9% from the line.

Extrapolate that out and the only thing he did well was rebound. He'd be averaging 10 rpg, 12.2 ppg, .83 bpg, & .83 spg. He didn't shoot as much as Tyrus and that's why the scoring isn't as good but the .83 bpg, & .83 spg tells me he wasn't trying that hard. He probably thought the whole prea-seaso n thing was a joke.

If we could trade Noah & Nocioni for someone like Kaman or Okafor I'd be all over it. I see the Noah saga ending on a bad note and I'd like to get max value for him before that happens. I hope I'm wrong b/c I do like him as a player and I hope he does great things for the Bulls but I think he'll either alienate himself from the city by misbehaving or he'll eventually leave as a free agent to NY. I think that's where he always wanted to be and that's where he'll go the first opportunity he has.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jul 10 2008, 11:34 PM

Tyrus had plenty of guys drawing attention away from him last year and he still shot 42%. That's not a good thing when you're the team's 6th leading scorer, it's not like people were gameplanning to stop him. Unless Rose is going to be a Chris Paul level passer right away or Tyrus got A LOT better at driving and finishing that's not going to drastically change. He also only shot 48.7% on his shots just in the basket area last year, add in jumpers and that really hurts. Plus any attention that is drawn away from him is negated by the fact that he's no longer facing James Augustine and Marcin Gortat. Even in the summer league against mostly scrubs he still only shot 43.6%.

It's VERY hard to improve your percentages while also getting more attempts, you have to improve your selection/finishing while also finding more ways/opportunities to score at the same time. Increased playing time will account for some increase, but not everything. It's very likely that you're going to be sorely disappointed if you're expecting him to jump from 7 points at a 42% clip to suddenly putting up 13 or more at a 50% clip. Even if he gets to a consistent 10 a game that's a hell of an improvement from playing well about once every 5 games. I'd personally be VERY happy if he put up about 10 and 8, that'd be a great step forward in improving his consistency and it'd mean he's become a rotation player you can actually count on fairly regularly.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 11 2008, 09:26 AM

Edwin, summer league doesn't mean a damn thing. Tryus with his ugly jump shot is never going to shoot 50% because he also lacks anything resembling a post move.

He'll score off rebounds and alley oops, and that's about it. Averaging 10/6 would be a push for tyrus, let alone 13/9.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jul 11 2008, 12:33 PM

Summer league is just for 2nd round draft picks or NBA wannabe's that want a spot in the NBA. I think the only reason Tyrus wanted to play is to get used to Derrick Rose.

And as for his jumpshot, I wouldn't call it ugly looking at all, as a matter of fact it looks pretty smooth, its just that he's not very good at putting it in the basket haha; something he has to work on.

I think 10 and 6 seems about right for him to average this year. Actually Tyrus did a little worse in just about everything statistically per 36 minutes a game, if you compare last year's stats to his rookie year. The only things he did better were fouls per game, assists, and turnovers. He averaged around 14 and 9 last year (per 36).

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 11 2008, 01:14 PM

Rose is going to have an MRI on his knee.

Posted by: dasox24 Jul 11 2008, 02:05 PM

Heard that on the radio today. Hopefully he's fine.

Posted by: DutheDoduhon21 Jul 11 2008, 04:21 PM

sounds like its just precautionary. hopefully everything is alright.

Posted by: steve9347 Jul 11 2008, 07:51 PM

Wow.

This could be bad. Like really bad.

Posted by: Chisoxfn Jul 12 2008, 07:18 PM

It doesn't sound serious, but this is a problem that has hampered him for the entire college season. Hopefully its not just in the early stages and something that will get worse.

It sounds like the Bulls are going to put him on a strength program which will build up his leg/knee strength.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jul 15 2008, 01:13 AM

Here is a mix of some of the things Rose showed in his 2 games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFBtyPn1Xkg