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Posted by: ChWRoCk2 May 10 2007, 03:08 PM

Lets finally get a win this series.

Keys:

Dont play like crap.
No TOs.
Hit some shots.
Play D.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 03:10 PM

lol Thanks for pointing out what kindergartener could have

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 03:29 PM

Maybe they should have consulted one between games up in Detroit. Hopefully they wake up and feed off the home crowd tonight.

Posted by: ChWRoCk2 May 10 2007, 05:27 PM

Doesnt get more broad than that.

Seriously I could have made a huge list. Compiled it all into one

Home court advantage should help us I would hope.

Posted by: Balta1701-B May 10 2007, 05:48 PM

Just play some good B-Ball tonight.

Posted by: ChWRoCk2 May 10 2007, 08:06 PM

Hey so far so good for the bulls.

winning 43-26

Posted by: Sanitarium May 10 2007, 08:09 PM

And they didnt play like this in Detroit WHY???

2 games is quite a price to get your head into the game.

Posted by: danman31 May 10 2007, 08:10 PM

What a difference home court makes. Time to keep it up with a solid 2nd half.

Posted by: Bullseye May 10 2007, 08:31 PM

We need Gordon and Deng to keep this up for the rest of today as well as the rest of the postseason. If they aren't producing we are screwed. And Wallace having another nice game so far.

But then again, I am not telling anyone anything they don't already know.

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 08:35 PM

Nice to see PJ playing like he is... diving around after the ball in the 1st half and such.

Posted by: ChWRoCk2 May 10 2007, 08:47 PM

Bulls are starting to give this game away, Pistons down 5 now.

Posted by: chimpy2121 May 10 2007, 08:47 PM

Wow, what a choke job.

Posted by: DrunkBomber May 10 2007, 09:03 PM

this game just got a hell of a lot more interesting

Posted by: chimpy2121 May 10 2007, 09:12 PM

what a pathetic joke for a freaking team

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise May 10 2007, 09:15 PM

This series was over a long time ago. Bulls choking again, Rasheed making lucky shots.. It was all meant to be I guess. O well, either no Gordon or no Hinrich next year, and that makes me happy. All these turnovers have made me sick. Can Skiles not figure out that PJ Brown is going to die out there if he plays a minute longer? Tyrus and Thabo both should be in there now. O well, we lose..

Posted by: ChWRoCk2 May 10 2007, 09:26 PM

Nocioni misses 2 FTs with game on line and cant hit a shot.

Noch just do us all a favor and not shoot rest of game not like it matters its game over.

Posted by: Bullseye May 10 2007, 09:33 PM

wow, just wow.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:36 PM

Wow, you can't be more wrong. Yes, the Bulls choked, but Rasheed was not hitting luck shots. Thats his shot. And when he's wide open, thats his shot even more. I'm willing to bet that both Gordon and Kirk are there next year as well.

And why the fish talk spiff about PJ Brown. He brought it all game, and I do believe he had a double double. Jeezus freaking christ.

Posted by: DrunkBomber May 10 2007, 09:38 PM

Well that about does her

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:38 PM

great job coaching... lets give thomas 10 minutes when he lights things up and pj 40 minutes when he cant catch his breath. lets just bench duhon the whole game too. keep thabo on the bench because he can stop either chauncey or rip, good idea. lets keep gordon in there who is as good of defender as pargo was

oh well w/e, was a great run this season

and holy spiff these refs need to call some fouls. deng and gordon were getting hammered inside and nothing was called.

The reason is because tyrus should have been in there and you know it.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:41 PM

I don't know how anyone can justify Tyrus not playing in place of PJ. Thabo should have got some Playing time as well. I hope PJ is done as a Bull.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:41 PM

How on earth did Tyrus light things up? He had freaking bucket on a right place/right time alley oop. Jeez, we're so damn quick to blame Skiles. GMAFB. No one showed up in the 2nd half. The team choked.

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 09:41 PM

I really don't think so. PJ was playing HUGE. You don't take a guy out when he has been hussling as hard as anyone else on the court and playing exceptional basketball because he looks tired.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:42 PM

And he only looked tired because he was damn near the only one hustling.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:42 PM

if tyrus gets 2 points every quarter it doesnt matter. he gets 2 points and the crowd goes nuts = team gets confidence because he is an athletic mofo. sure pj had a good 1st/2nd quarter but when he isnt doing much on either end, its time to see if someone else can do something

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:43 PM

Uuum, 10 rebounds? 2 Steals? A block?

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:43 PM

Rudy out Hussled everyone at Notre Dame, that doesn't mean he was the right guy for the Job.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:44 PM

uuum im pretty sure that was all 1st half stuff kthx

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:45 PM

Maybe if you watched the game instead of just reading a boxscore...

Any Bulls fan who watched that 2nd half knows PJ killed us out there.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:46 PM

You cannot be serious. WTF did PJ Brown do wrong tonight? Nothing. Hustle, rebounds, scoring, defense. GMAFB.


Iwatchedeverysecond. kthx


What more could I expect from the #1 and 2 members of the Tyrus Thomas fanclub.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:46 PM

He could not keep up with the guys he was guarding. His stat line is a 1st half stat line and you know it. He was sucking air that 2nd half. I hope he's gone. spiff like this really makes me miss Tyson.

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 09:47 PM

10 points, 10 boards (5 offensive), 2 steals, only 1 to (which very well could have been when he was on the ground fighting with 2-3 pistons for the ball), and he is someone who WILL be where he needs to be. Thats what you need down the stretch.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:47 PM

What could I expect from the # 1 member of the PJ brown Fan club?

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:48 PM

He was guarding McDyess in the entire 2nd half. Wallace moved over to guard Wallace. How in the freaking world do we find PJ Brown, of all players, to blame the damn game on. How about Ben Gordon being so aggressive in the 2nd half? How about Ben and Kirk dribbling the world away in the 2nd half? What about the shut down defense in the 2nd half?

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:49 PM

well spiff... Too bad he did NOTHING to prevent us from getting outscored by 23 in the 2nd half on our HOME floor. Webber and Rasheed had a lot of fun playing around with the old man.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:49 PM

Uuum, how often do I defend PJ? The man played his ass off tonight. Give him his damn credit.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:50 PM

HERES FOR THE VISION IMPAIRED

making me upset by thinking brown was GREAT out there

2nd half stats
http://www.nba.com/games/20070510/DETCHI/playbyplay.html


4pts
1-4 FG
2-4 FT
5 reb
3 foul
1 to

IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES OF PLAYING TIME
MVP for the win here. now stop arguing

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:50 PM

WEBBER DIDNT DO JACK spiff!!!!!!!!!!!1 BEN WALLACE WAS GUARDING RASHEED WHEN HE WAD DRAINING THOSE "LUCKY" THREES. WATCHT THE freaking GAME!

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 09:50 PM

Thats what I'm screaming. I mean I'm the first to say PJ is generally there to be a leader and a solid defender. He played extrordinary. 99% of the blame should go elsewhere.

EDIT - Deng shot 8/22... Gordon shot 4/16

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:50 PM

I'll give him his credit as a guy who should play 20 mins tops. 1st half was fine. 2nd half? not so much.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:53 PM

No one is justifying what he did in the 2nd half to NOT deserve to play. How about Gordon's fantastic 2nd half? 4 points, all on free throws. How about his great D on Billups and/or Hamilton. Yeah!!!!!!

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 09:54 PM

DOn't scream at me. Webber didnt do spiff this game. Im speaking on general terms about Webber and rasheed. My point is Tyrus should have had a lot more playing time this entire series and tonight. PJ is just getting very fatigue.


exactly why I created the bench Gordon Thread

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:54 PM

yes which is why ben gordon should be off the team next season.
dont give me this hes our guy blah blah blah. anyone who takes 18 shots a game and gets to the free throw line 6-9 times a game can average around 20 points. Even Luke Schenscher (ouch)

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 09:56 PM

How does that justify what happened tonight? What do general terms have to do with Brown's play in the 2nd half tonight? How the hell do you not blame Gordon, Deng, or Kirk for this loss? You choose to blame the only guy who played hard? Come on man. Tyrus shot a great 1-6 from the field in the 1st half. But of course, he deserves to play more in the 2nd half.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 09:58 PM

well if he had decent guards that could move the ball he would have shot better

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:01 PM

<--- not enough to fit in 1 post.

Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
Thomas Layup Shot: Missed
Thomas Jump Shot: Missed
Thomas Layup Shot: Missed
Thomas Turnover:Step Out of Bounds Turnover (1 TO)

Must be Kirk or Ben who made him miss those lay ups. Damn them...

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 10:02 PM

i do believe what started this all was the above quote. 1st half sure, 2nd half hell no.
not saying others did better, would have been nice to see a lineup change and get some speed in there and see what happened instead of more outside shots. we have deng gordon and hinrich that can do that, why need pj to do it too. get thomas to run in there do some insane spin around 1080 dunk and then have fun on defense and get the crowd into it. then bench gordon and get thabo in to stop rip/chauncey.

Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich May 10 2007, 10:02 PM

Hinrich was so tentative the whole game, dribbling in circles looking to pass only.....he also did many costly, stupid turnover passes late in the game.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 10:04 PM

i do believe that most of those came with 6 or less seconds on the shot clock. pretty sure he didnt have the ball for all the other 18 seconds

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 10:04 PM

PJ was out of gas. The lane was open for Prince and all the other slashers.



PJ was out of gas.


I'm pissed at all of them too. I never had a chance to express it because you jumped on me the minute I said PJ's name.



He better play hard playing guys 10 years younger than him. It could have been worse.


Look at your Sig. Spark was the reason I wanted Tyrus out there. The stadium was half dead. A little energy would have not hurt.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:06 PM

Ah, that makes it all ok.

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 10:08 PM

let me throw you the ball with the shot clock running out and you have to throw it up there in 5 seconds when youre against a great defending team okay pal

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise May 10 2007, 10:08 PM

What did he have abou 30 minutes tonight? I would like to think the way Tyrus has played this team, he could give us atleast 12+ points in 25 minutes. This team is filled with role players with mid level talent. Im sensing were in need of a trade that involves part of our so called "Core". Im starting to like the idea of getting rid of kirk in order to get CONLEY IN THE DRAFT!

Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich May 10 2007, 10:08 PM

Skiles has been known to choke in the big names his WHOLE coaching career.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:10 PM

None of that is justification at all. Those are some of the worst answers. He better be playing hard? Uuum, Gordon, Kikr, etc are all YOUNGER or the same age as the Pistons guys and they didn't play harder. PJ was out of gas. Come on. There is nothing he can do when McDyess/Webber and Wallace are all out playing on the perimeter. If he sticks the perimeter guy and prevents open J's and leaves the lane open, you beach it him. If he helps in the lane and they dish it out for an open jumper, you beach at him. His 2nd half was still better than Tyrus' 1st half.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise May 10 2007, 10:11 PM

Just because you hate Tyrus Thomas doesn't mean we all hate him. Differentiation (sp?) in opinions is not a bad thing but you give no love to a high energy rookie who comes in and sparks the team. He was our leading scorer last game and plays barely at all in the most pivital game. Hell Tyrus was the only one who "Wanted" to rebound tonight. His misses werent from post ups, they were on follow ups and missed 10 foot shots that he has no business taking.

The game came down to poor execution and bad coaching. How do you not sub for 18 minutes as you watch Detroit take the lead away from you? We lost the game right there.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:11 PM

It's a damn lay up. If you can hit a lay up in 6 seconds, you shouldn't be in the NBA. You can pump fake twice and still get it up. Great logic there.

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 10:12 PM

Hopefully everyone plays all out like him regardless of age.

EDIT - Tyrus is going to be an absolute freak if he stays at it. The kid is insanely gifted. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 10:13 PM

I'll just lie to end this conversation.

PJ was dominant out there. Man amongst boys. Double-Double and a block. He's a brickhouse!
Who needs oden?

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 10:13 PM

how many effing times were they layups honestly. honestly? layups and put backs are entirelly different things. he was contested on almost all his shots (cept for the free throw line ones)
please stop

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise May 10 2007, 10:14 PM

The reason im not angry is because the Pistons are a better team and its obvious. I just didn't expect them to throw us around like rag dolls like we were the Orlando Magic ya know?

Posted by: CubbiesFan07 May 10 2007, 10:14 PM

HAHHAHAH

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:16 PM

You must not know Luol Deng, Ben Wallace, and PJ Brown tonight. Even Kirk had 11 boards. Don't give me the "he wanted it" bs. If anyone wanted it tonight, it was PJ. He put his ball out on the line tonight and we're getting on him about it.

And the leading scorer line doesnt work either. The Pistons packed that game in and Tyrus was given a bunch of easy-er buckets. Misses are misses, and the fact that he takes jump shots at all isn't good.


So when he misses, put backs aren't easy. But when he makes them, wow, he is so athletic. Where is the consistency?

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 10:17 PM

I'm sure Artis Gilmore "wanted it" too. That doesn't mean we throw him out there for almost 40 minutes.

Posted by: SoxFan1 May 10 2007, 10:18 PM

Yeah, thats relevant. Just like the Rudy analogy. Thanks for enlightening us.


Way to put words in my mouth.

Posted by: rangercal May 10 2007, 10:20 PM

Pretty soon PJ will be an analogy.

Posted by: Balta1701-B May 10 2007, 10:20 PM

I'd just like to say...this sucks.

Hopefully, these guys remember the high and low of this 2 week playoff run, and come back with some extra motivation this summer and next season.

Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise May 10 2007, 10:21 PM

ok, but regardless.. PJ Brown is still the oldest man living on earth I mean seriously? My god, the guy is running on peg legs for crying out loud, I had to laugh. He played good Ill give him that but I chuckle every time I see him catching it on the elbow and taking a dribble drive to the hoop while contorting one of his famous throw ups that barely tough the rim.

The fact that he didn't play at all in the second half bothered me, especially when I saw him make ZERO substitutions during that 18 minute stretch there. I thought for sure he would bring in Thabo or Tyrus to get some energy going cuz we looked dead but he let us piss it away. Hopefully next year we can learn from this. Our youth came into play during this series. Detroit really knows how to play in all situations.

Posted by: Balta1701-B May 10 2007, 10:28 PM

And I think the other thing of note is...learning how to play in playoff games like this is something that no matter how good a coach is, he really can't teach it.

In the Late 90's, the Pistons had 2 first round losses, missed the playoffs for 1 year, then got to the 2nd round and lost, then got to the conference finals and lost, then they finally won it all. Even as good as Detroit is looking right now...remember, they did not get there overnight.

Posted by: scatterbrain May 10 2007, 10:35 PM

That's the truly important thing to me. We aren't a veteran group of players yet... they are. The Heat were too and we were phenomenal against them. We did battle tonight, and we will learn (you'd hope). The future is so bright for the Bulls. It just sucks we can't starting winning titles a year sooner. I hope management sticks with their guns for the most part... we are gathering a great bunch of young ball players.

Posted by: eddog2 May 10 2007, 11:28 PM

It's going to take a lot for us to be able to win them next year as well. We can't beat Detroit unless we pull off the impossible. Every team is getting better. Phoenix could have 3 first round picks this year. You think they are going away? What happens if they get Mike Conley? They have Nash's replacement and one rediculous PG off the bench until Nash hangs up the shoes.

There are also rumors that they'll be trading away one of their big players to stay out of the luxury. That might be Amare which would return several young players. Or maybe even Kevin Garnett. That would make them automatic champion!

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_21900.shtml

Posted by: soxfan3530 May 11 2007, 10:54 AM

This whole conversation is dumb....

Did P.J. cost us the game????? NO.


Did he tire towards the end and play a little too much???? YES


Why don't we blame the guys who really cost us the game..........
Calling Ben Gordon and Andreas Nocioni to the stage please.

Posted by: zums May 12 2007, 07:57 PM

I attended game 3 and it was awful. it was a tied game the whole first quarter, then they went up 16 at half and blew it in ONE QUARTER. thats awful