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Posted by: ChicagoBullsMadison Aug 4 2007, 02:37 PM

Im thinkin joe smith, ben gordon, and joakim noah. 20 10 guy and 2nd leading shotblocker in the nba. only 28 and has a great post game. rolls great off pick and rolls and hits up out to 18 feet. thoughts?

Posted by: Balta1701-B Aug 4 2007, 03:27 PM

First of all, by rule, free agents can not be traded until either 3 months have passed or December 15th comes, whichever is later, so Joe Smith can not be dealt until after December 15th.

Second of all, JO has a $19 million salary right now, and Smith + Gordon + Noah comes to just over $12 million, so you're not even close on the salaries.

And third, I still don't want the guy even if he was a steal, which that deal is not. I'm still not convinced in the least that he can stay healthy, I'm also not convinced he'd be that much better than what we already have, and most importantly, I'm convinced what we do have will be both better and cheaper than he is just a year or two down the road.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Aug 4 2007, 03:33 PM

Theres not many guys in the NBA I would want on my team less than Jermaine O'Neal. The guy is a punk, plain and simple. Hearing him rant about racism in interviews, and then seeing him deck a fan in the Malice at the Palace who wasnt even suspecting it...Pass.

Posted by: b-riann Aug 4 2007, 04:08 PM

you're right. not to mention he was hurt last season, and i dont want this guy's $19 million to get hurt

Posted by: RME JICO Aug 4 2007, 05:06 PM

20/10 is not a big deal when you are on a crappy team. I would rather keep what we got. There is no way ONeal would offset the lost output from Gordon/Noah/Smith.

Posted by: eddog2 Aug 4 2007, 09:35 PM

Now, I agree with what you say about him not being the best value b/c of the large contract, but no way in hell the rest of our PF's are better than he is. He's one of the best PF's in the game. He may have an injury problem but he's definately a Bosh type offensive player. He has a great post up game, he's a decent free throw shooter, he scores, he rebounds well, & he blocks shots.

I'll be the first to say I don't want him on this team, but it's not b/c I don't think he a significant upgrade, it's b/c I don't like his attitude.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Aug 5 2007, 02:19 PM

I know he's a very good player, but at least to my eyes, I think the stuff we have certainly has the potential to close the gap very, very rapidly, because I think we've drafted pretty well, esp with doubleT. But. we'll see soon enough.

Posted by: dasox24 Aug 5 2007, 06:02 PM

That's a pretty big reason for me not wanting O'Neal. If he can't match the production of the 2 big guys (let alone adding BG into that equation too) we trade for him, why would we? I could very well see Smith and Noah combining to put up at least 15 and 10. That's pretty close to O'Neal's 20 and 10... And then you throw in what Gordon will avg. next year, that's a lot of lost points per game.

Then, of course, throw in the fact that he has a terrible attitude, and I really would hate having him on this team. Anyway, this discussion is pretty much moot b/c he's not at all the type of player either Pax or Skiles would want on this team, so there's no chance of us adding him.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Aug 6 2007, 10:05 AM

This almost fits in http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/arash_markazi/08/06/oneal.trade/index.html...

JO wants traded to pref. the Lakers, if not them, then maybe the Nets.

Posted by: greasywheels121 Aug 6 2007, 01:49 PM

Get him out of here. Please.

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Aug 7 2007, 07:40 AM

I don't think the Pacers would want to help us out, and I don't think the salaries would match up without the Bulls giving up too much to get the deal done.

Posted by: dasox24 Aug 7 2007, 12:01 PM

I think that says it all right there.

Posted by: sport1016 Aug 8 2007, 01:32 PM

if NJ gets ONeal for Jefferson and Krstic or something like that the nets are going to be very very dangerous

I woul say kidd, carter and JO is = or better than allen, pierce, KG or at least will be a better team bc they wouldnt have to gut their youth and depth to get JO


I just hope he goes out west or stays on a bad team. He could return to his MVP calliber form with a little motivation and health luck

Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Aug 8 2007, 01:36 PM

Well you also have to pray that those guys will stay healthy and motivated. Both of which have been problems for Carter and Oneal.

Posted by: ZoomSlowik Aug 8 2007, 02:03 PM

I'd still take Boston's guys. Even when he's healthy O'Neal is a step down from Garnett, Pierce doesn't have as many injury/motivation problems as Carter, and though Kidd has more value to the team than Allen he isn't anywhere near as dangerous a scorer, which is pretty key when depth is an issue.

Actually, I'd argue that that's a WORSE gutting of the team, because you're giving up two highly productive players. Jefferson and Kristic both average in the teens when they're healthy. You're improving the D and rebounding, but you're losing around 12-15 points of offensive production that'll be hard to replace. Their bench is moderately better than Boston's, but Nachbar-Magloire-Boone-Williams still doesn't exactly inspire fear in your opponents, they'd have to hope that Sean Williams stays away from the pot. Combine that with the declining offensive prowess of Kidd and Carter potentially coasting again now that he got paid, that could really hurt. I'd actually rather have Jefferson and Kristic, assuming both are healthy of course (not exactly a safe bet, though you could say the same about O'Neal).

Posted by: Alpha Double Negative Aug 9 2007, 12:52 AM

I would say Kidd, Carter, and JO is far worse than the Celtics' threesome. And you're right they wouldn't have to gut their youth and depth. They don't have any to begin with.