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post Jun 26 2008, 12:33 AM
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It's here folks. Rose or Beasley? What will it be...discuss here.
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post Jun 26 2008, 09:05 AM
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YIPPEE!!!
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post Jun 26 2008, 09:32 AM
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Derrick Rose. Also, i just heard on the radio that three different GMs called Chad Ford asking if he knew anything about Dwayne Wade being traded to the Bulls tonight? Hmmmmmmm.
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post Jun 26 2008, 09:41 AM
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I saw Stephen A Smith on tonight and indicated that the Heat should trade Marion to the Bulls for Hinrich & Tyrus Thomas and than draft Beasley (The Heat that is). Bulls would obviously be taking Rose. Interesting idea and it would give the Bulls cap relief and a pretty good player (albeit, Marion wasn't near as good outside of Phoenix but that Miami team he played on last year was horrid).

I'm very curious to see if the Bulls are able to put together a monster package for Wade because right now the Heat are kind of a mess. They have a ton of forwards and need to move some to even think about taking Beasley.
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:41 AM
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The Bulls wouldn't be getting any cap relief, Marion's option is for $17 mil a year.
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Bulls: Rumors Swirling
By Jason Gage
ChiSport.com

This time last year, the Chicago Bulls were on cloud nine. They didn’t win the NBA Championship, but they had decisively beaten the former NBA Champion Miami Heat in the playoffs and had a strong series against the Detroit Pistons. Fans in Chicago and experts around the NBA saw nothing but a bright future in Chicago and on top of it all, the Bulls had a top 10 pick to add another talent (what most figured would be the last one they’d add in a long time). The Bulls eventually selected Noah, who looks like a solid piece (ie, Tyson Chandler Jr.).


However, the season got ugly quick, Skiles was fired as the team struggled to overcome early season injuries (Deng/Gordon/Hinrich/Ben Wallace). The Bulls ended up finding themselves in the lottery and somehow lucked out and have the top pick. GM John Paxson has his future tied to such selection as the Bulls are no longer the toast of the NBA. However, they are still the youngest team in the league and have many tradeable assets (including trade exceptions and the desireable fat contracts to make a blockbuster deal).

The one asset that no one expects to be traded is the top pick, where the Bulls are expected to take Derrick Rose. So it isn’t really the top pick that will make things interesting in Chicago, it will be the trade rumors and here’s just a few of the rumors swirling around the windy city:

1. Dwayne Wade
ESPN analyst Chad Ford has indicated that three NBA GM’s contacted him in the last 24 hours regarding Wade going to Chicago. Apparently these GM’s were both supplying information but also looking for information. This is a common thing NBA GM’s will do as often times a good NBA analyst will have a better gauge or more unique gauge on the market than the GM. There were no indications of who would be involved in such deal, but the first pick appears off the table and any deal would likely include Kirk Hinrich, who is a favorite of Riley’s. Assuming the Bulls could put together a package that didn’t include Luol Deng and the entire front court, this deal makes a lot of sense. The Bulls could utilize a back-court involving Rose/Wade/Sefolosha (I’m assuming Gordon would be a part of this deal or a seperate deal) and a wing tandom of Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni. The front court would likely be a bit thinner (Tyrus would likely be a part of the trade) but would still feature Joakim Noah and Drew Gooden which is a solid front court. Plus, in the after-math you would still have a couple players that could be moved.

2. Hinrich to the Bucks
You’ll notice a theme to all these rumors and that is Kirk Hinrich. With the selection of Derrick Rose, the Bulls are expected to move Hinrich. This will become easier on July 1, when Hinrich (and Nocioni) lose base year compensation status, but there are rumblings around the Bucks organization of a deal which would involve Hinrich going to the Bulls for salary filler (Desmond Mason and others) and the 8th overall pick. The logic is there for the Skiles and the Bucks, who are trying to make a statement that they plan on contending and need a point guard to do that. From Chicago’s standpoint they lose out in the talent end of the deal (#8 overall pick is not as valuable as Kirk Hinrich) but financially they put themselves in a better position to sign Deng & Gordon and still put the team in a spot where they can make the necessary moves to make a splash at Lebron/Wade when they become free agents.

3. Heat Trade #2 Overall Selection to Chicago
Sam Smith reported in the Chicago Tribune that the Chicago Bulls have had preliminary discussions about a deal which would net the Bulls the 2nd overall pick. This seems a bit odd, although a draft day that netted the Bulls Michael Beasley & Derrick Rose would be a good thing. The Bulls would be getting both a playmaker and scorer of the future, but Paxson would have some significant tweaking to do as Deng/Hinrich/Hughes and possibly Gordon would be without roster spots (Deng could still have one, if the team opted to play Beasley at the 4). The cost would be steap and would start at Tyrus Thomas (or Joakim Noah), Kirk Hinrich, and one other chip. The Heat have also received numerous other offers for the #2 overall selection which are believed to include stars like Elton Brand.

4. Shawn Marion to the Bulls
Not only is Kirk Hinrich a recurring theme in these rumors, but so are the Miami Heat. It appears evident that Riley & Paxson have had numerous discussions and there is definately a variety of possibilities involving Chicago & Miami. ESPN’s, Stephen A. Smith, briefly mentioned on Sportcenter the possibility of the Heat keeping the #2 pick (and taking Beasley) while moving Marion to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and Kirk Hinrich. Marion is a very good all around player, who struggled away from Steve Nash. However, it’s hard to judge Marion’s play in Miami since he was surrounded with such a terrible cast. The Heat have to move Marion just as much as the Bulls need to move Hinrich (and at least one other guard). On top of getting fair value for Hinrich & Thomas (Marion would be), the Bulls would be getting an expiring contract (which is always valuable).
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 26 2008, 09:50 AM) *
The Bulls wouldn't be getting any cap relief, Marion's option is for $17 mil a year.

Expiring contract, so they would be getting relief in a sense (basically getting rid of the long-term deal that Hinrich has).
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26 2008, 11:56 AM) *
Expiring contract, so they would be getting relief in a sense (basically getting rid of the long-term deal that Hinrich has).


Well, assuming they let him walk or flip him, otherwise even with a paycut he'll end up making more than Kirk, especially since Hinrich's deal was front-loaded.
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 26 2008, 09:58 AM) *
Well, assuming they let him walk or flip him, otherwise even with a paycut he'll end up making more than Kirk, especially since Hinrich's deal was front-loaded.

My assumption is they'd either let Marion walk or flip him. The key is they'd be spending money on a guy that would be starting, where as, Hinrich, is clearly not going to be starting. Its pretty evident Pax is trying to move some guys for expiring deals and better position the club financially speaking.

A lot of talk today around the Bulls walking out of the draft with Rose & Beasley and recently there have been a lot more positive quotes coming out of Bulls camp regarding Michael (ie, Rose & Beasley are the two guys in this draft that are "winners"). Bulls have the ability to do it and they can make up for what they give up (which will be some damn good young talent and could even include Deng) if they than go around and use the trade exception to help get them something (which will be very valuable) as well as the MLE and LLE or whatever it's called.
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:52 AM
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why... oh WHY do I have to have a softball game right as the draft starts? I want to see this evening unfold!!!
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post Jun 26 2008, 10:58 AM
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It sounds as if Deng will be back on the Bulls but that Pax is more willing to move him. Gordon will likely be back, as will Gooden, but the Bulls are trying to position themselves to make a major run at Elton Brand, who apparently has told people close to him that he would be happy to return to Chicago.

If Gordon is dealt it would likely be in a sign and trade which would also involve Nocioni (who is quietly being shopped). Bottom line, the entire franchise is on the block and there are a whole lot of ways Paxson can go.
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post Jun 26 2008, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26 2008, 12:07 PM) *
Bottom line, the entire franchise is on the block and there are a whole lot of ways Paxson can go.


I'd have no problem with that if it landed us Rose AND Beasley...or Brand or Marion or BOTH!
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post Jun 26 2008, 11:38 AM
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There are so many rumors and so much hype about this year's draft. I'm having a hard time concentrating at work. Good thing I don't have much work at the end of the month. lolhitting.gif
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post Jun 26 2008, 11:40 AM
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Unfortunately any deals involving Gordon or Deng couldn't happen tonight.
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post Jun 26 2008, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (steve9347 @ Jun 26 2008, 10:49 AM) *
Unfortunately any deals involving Gordon or Deng couldn't happen tonight.

Is that because they aren't under contract? I'm assuming a deal can get done but just not officially performed until later?
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