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Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 05:21 PM
Figured I'd do another thread since the other one is 6 pages. Throw all your random running commentary in here.
So I just opened my first beer of the night and it exploded all over the place. Bad omen?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 05:24 PM
Hoping for at least 2 picks in this draft. A combo guard plus a shooter would be satisfying. I still think they could pull off a trade into the early twenties with someone like Denver, who already has a full depth chart.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 05:33 PM
I have the Sox game on my television, is there a good website to follow the draft in real time?
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 05:34 PM
Apparently, Jared Sullinger has "bulging dicks".
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 05:36 PM
So I just opened my first beer of the night and it exploded all over the place. Bad omen?
I am already 4 beers in, this should be a good evening.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 05:40 PM
They really love David Stern.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 05:42 PM
It annoys me that they put the team with the first pick on the clock. They've been "on the clock" for months. Just announce the pick and save some time.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 05:44 PM
WHOA THEY TOOK DAVIS
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 05:50 PM
MKG...that was unexpected.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 05:52 PM
I thought for sure they'd take Robinson instead of someone good. Makes me think they traded it.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 05:52 PM
I called it.
http://www.talkbulls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3446
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 05:54 PM
My guess is Beal goes next, then the Cavs have a tough decision.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 05:54 PM
Check my stats
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 05:55 PM
Wizards might actually make the playoffs next year.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 05:56 PM
Beal and Barnes (yeah, I'm assuming) are going to have a much easier time as rookies playing with actual PG's instead of the crap in Charlotte.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:01 PM
Waiters surprises me.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:01 PM
WOW. REEEEEAAAAACCCCCHHHHHH.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:01 PM
That was unexpected.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:03 PM
If Barnes drops to 8...Calderon + 8 for Deng looks really attractive.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:07 PM
T-Rob.
No shock there.
Who goes six? Drummond?
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:07 PM
Well...no trades yet.
Sacto may have been hoping Robinson would fall to them.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:12 PM
Get on the phone with Toronto now.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:15 PM
Barnes would certainly work at 8.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:15 PM
GS has been rumored to be after SF's all off-season. I'd be surprised if they don't go Barnes (then again, they wanted Jordan bad before they got Bogut too).
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:16 PM
If any team f***s up, it's Golden State.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:17 PM
Anyone worth it you think if Barnes goes at 7 for the Bulls at 8?
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:18 PM
Well, there goes Barnes.
I'd think about dealing for Calderon + Lamb...but I think Bulls stand pat.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:21 PM
Lamb would be interesting, but I thought I heard some rumblings about his shoulder being an issue?
I kind of warmed to him, though he needs to work on his consistency and shot-selection, attack the rim better.
Posted by: rockren Jun 28 2012, 06:24 PM
Barnes would have been a wonderful fit for the Bulls could they have pulled off a move to send Deng to Golden State and take back some salary.
Ah well.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:26 PM
Why no Rivers for the Bulls? Just no defense and too much need for the ball, I suppose
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:27 PM
Move anything outside of Noah, Deng, and Taj to nab Lamb. He's my favorite possibility in the draft.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:30 PM
I'll quote Chad Ford's take on him from an article on Grantland, which was just too awesome to ignore:
Lillard is a willing passer. Rivers isn't and will never be. Lillard made dramatic improvements from year to year. I thought Rivers was the exact player in college that he was in high school. Lillard is a team player. He was the second most efficient player in college basketball DESPITE being the only decent player on his entire roster; teams game planned to stop him and him alone every night. I just don't see Rivers ever being anywhere near as unselfish or efficient. I think Rivers will be shocked at the athleticism and length at his position. He'll try to do the same things at which he excelled in high school, spend a lot of time on the bench, get into it with his coach and teammates, get traded in a year or two to a desperate team, put up huge numbers for a cellar-dweller for a year or two, make some money, and eventually, teams will realize he can't be the alpha dog on a winning team.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 06:30 PM
Drummond is sick at 9.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:31 PM
Ok GarPax, try and get Lamb.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:33 PM
Yep. Crazy size and athleticism. Even if he's DeAndre Jordan 2.0, that's pretty good value at 9. If by some miracle he figures it out, Detroit becomes scary. If you drafted based on YouTube highlights, he'd go #2.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:36 PM
If you gave him Meyers' post game, he'd have gone at 1
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:36 PM
I really don't get why you take Austin Rivers if you already have Eric Gordon.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:40 PM
They think Gordon will walk?
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 06:41 PM
He's restricted, so they can match.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:43 PM
Pick could work if Leonard stops being lazy.
Like the draft for Blazers.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:44 PM
Congrats to Meyers. I really think he's going to be one of the best players to come out of this draft. True star potential and despite the way he sometimes acted on the court, he is really a great kid.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:45 PM
Think the Rockets might deal a pick for Lamb?
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:49 PM
Damnit.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 06:49 PM
I think the picks are getting too late now to make it worth moving Deng for one.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:51 PM
Yup.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 06:52 PM
Pretty anti-climactic draft so far. No trades through 12 picks.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 28 2012, 06:56 PM
the #2 pick of MKG really made guys like Robinson and Barnes drop.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 06:56 PM
Bye bye Nash.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 07:01 PM
Update your images, none of them are working.
Also, I like TalkBulls and am glad it is back.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 07:06 PM
Philadelphia now has like 8 SF's on the roster.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 07:08 PM
I'll take Iggy. We'll have a tax to pay, but whatever.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 07:12 PM
Iguodala doesn't really do it for me.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 07:13 PM
Absolutely, but try making it happen. They'd probably want Noah back, which isn't terribly productive.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 07:22 PM
Still some good players on the board. Perry Jones could be a star if he ever figures it out, Terrence Jones is a nice combo forward, and if he can still walk in 5 years Sullinger would be a nice post threat.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 07:27 PM
I like thos trade a lot for the Cavs
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 07:28 PM
I feel like they gave up a ton, though.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 07:55 PM
Not liking the draft. Lots of guys I liked for the Bulls are going earlier than projected.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 08:03 PM
Pery Jones III will end up with Miami. Watch.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:04 PM
And I will be angry.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:06 PM
There goes Wroten. Son of a b****.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 08:12 PM
Nice, they just took the second best Plumlee in the first.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:14 PM
If Teague or Miller makes it to the Bulls...you take them. Not Tyshawn Taylor.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:16 PM
LOL @ Stern. Trolling them hard.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:16 PM
HOLY f***. Teague and PJIII went past Miami. I love this.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:17 PM
Apparently they're trading the pick to the 76ers for a future first and #45. I'm more than ok with this.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 08:19 PM
If the Bulls pass on Perry Jones III to take that awful PG, I will piss.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:22 PM
Rich get richer. Damn.
If we take Taylor over Teague or Miller...
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 08:22 PM
Still Tyshawn Taylor here?
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 08:23 PM
That is one freakishly athletic team.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:23 PM
Please get Barton/Miller/Teague
PLEASE
Posted by: daa84 Jun 28 2012, 08:24 PM
If we take Taylor over Teague or Miller...
No chance the bulls take Taylor. They've got 2 Jeff Taylor's on the roster already in brewer and butler
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:25 PM
I mean Tyshawn...and they might.
Posted by: daa84 Jun 28 2012, 08:26 PM
Duh. I'm an idiot, my bad.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 28 2012, 08:26 PM
That Jones pick is just going to be awesome for OKC. No pressure on the kid in the short term.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 28 2012, 08:28 PM
Marcus Teague.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:28 PM
WINNER.
Posted by: Steve9347 Jun 28 2012, 08:29 PM
I am legitimately excited about that pick.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 08:30 PM
Teague is a fun backup.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:31 PM
Best part is if he becomes good, he becomes a Gortat piece that we can move.
If Fournier weren't drafted so damn high...I'd say to get him.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 08:32 PM
Wasted pick IMO. Could be worse though. Teague can't play the 2, what's the point in drafting a PG that's only going to play 12 mpg when Derrick is healthy? We still need a 2 guard.
Posted by: daa84 Jun 28 2012, 08:33 PM
Kc Johnson said bulls couldn't believe Teague was there
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:34 PM
If he lights it up, you can ship him out for more picks.
Damn Stern is trolling the fans hard.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 08:45 PM
Teague could be a very poor version of Rose. That means we can run similar sets.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 28 2012, 08:51 PM
Even though I really like Teague as a player, I didn't like the pick on first reaction b/c I felt like they're overreacting to Rose being hurt. But, I guess I'm liking it better now.
Guess the Bulls like something about Calipari-coached PGs...
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 28 2012, 08:55 PM
Also, this pick fits the Bulls' M.O. perfectly of selecting players from a championship team and a big-time program.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 09:02 PM
There goes Miller.
Kind of disappointed. would have been nice.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 09:08 PM
With each passing pick in the 2nd round, I hate this pick even more.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 09:12 PM
There goes Lamb.
I know this is the Mizzou in me, but I want to see Denmon or English on the Bulls.
Posted by: Jake Jun 28 2012, 09:14 PM
Can we please just get a legit young 2 guard? I really would have liked to give up a Brewer to get Doron Lamb in the second round.
Posted by: danman31 Jun 28 2012, 09:14 PM
I know this is the Mizzou in me, but I want to see Denmon or English on the Bulls.
I think Ratliffe has the better shot to be a productive pro. I don't think Denmon can make it due to size issues. Mentally, I wasn't a really big fan of English to be honest. So in other words, I wouldn't want either of those guards on my team, but I'd take Ratliffe.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 09:17 PM
Denmon impressed me most of any player I saw last year in person. Including PJIII, Acy, Miller, Robinson, Taylor, Withey, White, English, Ratliffe. He has ice in his veins and I can see him being Terry/BG7
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 09:21 PM
Not against the Teague pick, but I woulda rather had Lamb. I'm surprised Lamb lasted this long ...
I guess with CJ probably gonezo next year they need a guy to fill that role on the bench mob and Teague will be a good guy for that. They cant get by on keep grabbing guys like Hinrich, Kidd. or Nash every year.
If he can be as good as his brother then I'll like the pick.
Pre Lu/Rose
CJ/Teague
Rip/Butler
Brewer/Korver
Boozer/Taj
Jo/Asik
Pre Rose:
CJ/Teague
Rip/Korver
Lu/Brew
Booze/Taj
Jo/Asik
I think that pre Rose/post Lu lineup keeps you alive in the East till Rose comes back. Potentially trade CJ at the deadline if Rose is back.
Really wish they could have traded Brewer or Korver for a pick.
Posted by: danman31 Jun 28 2012, 09:22 PM
Yeah he was a clutch college player, but Ed Cota also has school records at North Carolina.
There goes English.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 09:36 PM
So are we really going to go into next season with Rip Hamilton and Jimmy Butler as the only SG's on the team? All of a sudden, Brandon Roy's value just shot up enormously with the Bulls.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 09:47 PM
other thoughts on the draft:
- That Perry Jones pick could be huge in whether the Thunder sign Ibaka or Harden.. Really would like Hardin on the Bulls but if Jones maximizes his potential I think OKC lets Ibaka go. If Jones provides enough on the offensive end though they could still let Harden go.
- I remember getting squashed over on the other boards when I mentioned the Bulls should trade into the mid 2nd and grab Plumlee. With him going in the first I no longer feel as stupid.
-Really like the MKG pick, and by that I mean I feel better about the future pick for the Bulls. The Bobcats need scorers, I'm not sure MKG is that. I think Beal and even Barnes will be the better scorers and would immediately be their number 1 option.
-I like the Thomas Robinson pick for the kings, I think they'll be good next year. If they can keep Evans at SF and go Thomas-Thornton-Evans-Robinson-Cousins I think thats a pretty good lineup.
-If NOLA can pass Rivers off as a PG and Gordon returns that could be a scary team as well.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 09:50 PM
Brewer and Korver can play a lil 2 too but...I want Butler as a primary back up (part of the bench mob) next year.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 09:58 PM
- That Perry Jones pick could be huge in whether the Thunder sign Ibaka or Harden.. Really would like Hardin on the Bulls but if Jones maximizes his potential I think OKC lets Ibaka go. If Jones provides enough on the offensive end though they could still let Harden go.
- I remember getting squashed over on the other boards when I mentioned the Bulls should trade into the mid 2nd and grab Plumlee. With him going in the first I no longer feel as stupid.
-Really like the MKG pick, and by that I mean I feel better about the future pick for the Bulls. The Bobcats need scorers, I'm not sure MKG is that. I think Beal and even Barnes will be the better scorers and would immediately be their number 1 option.
-I like the Thomas Robinson pick for the kings, I think they'll be good next year. If they can keep Evans at SF and go Thomas-Thornton-Evans-Robinson-Cousins I think thats a pretty good lineup.
-If NOLA can pass Rivers off as a PG and Gordon returns that could be a scary team as well.
-I don't think anyone ever said Plumlee in the second would be dumb, just that counting on him to be productive isn't wise.
-The Bobcats need everything, not just scoring. MKG was probably the best player there (debateable depending on how you feel about Beal).
-Rivers doesn't play anything like a PG.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 28 2012, 10:04 PM
Spurs reinforce my feelings about Denmon. Watch everyone talk about how he came from nowhere next year.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 10:11 PM
-The Bobcats need everything, not just scoring. MKG was probably the best player there (debateable depending on how you feel about Beal).
-Rivers doesn't play anything like a PG.
-The context of me bringing up Plumlee was either Boozer being traded or amnestied I believe, I think Plumlee will be a good back up PF.
- Agreed, I just think Beal improves that team more than MKG.
-From what I've heard they might try to play him there
- I'd love to see William Buford added as an undrafted FA.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 28 2012, 10:16 PM
- Agreed, I just think Beal improves that team more than MKG.
-From what I've heard they might try to play him there
- I'd love to see William Buford added as an undrafted FA.
Plumlee was pretty marginal even at Duke. His brother was considerably better than him, and I wouldn't totally want to depend on Mason to get decent minutes either.
Unless Rivers drastically changes his style, playing him at the point is a bad idea. He's always looking for his shot. He's a lot like OJ Mayo, not really a PG even if they have some decent ball-handling skills.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 10:29 PM
I highly doubt either will be back next year. The Bulls are up against the luxury tax from now until they get rid of one of their big money guys. Not in a great position. It's unfortunate, because Korver is our most efficient scorer and now you don't even replace him with a guy like Lamb, that's going to hurt a lot.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 10:39 PM
Korver and Brewer will still be here this coming up year.
The whole Lu for a lottery pick, amnesty Booze, and grab one of those prime FA SGs situation still works for next year and would put us in better position.
Next year:
Rose/Teague
Hardin/Bulls 1st pick ( or Ellis or Martin )
Lottery pick/Butler
Taj/Mirotic
Noah/Asik
If Mirotic doesn't come over you've got your MLE as a stop gap guy, if he does I'd use the MLE on a SG and work in the 1st rounder.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 10:53 PM
It's been widely speculated from various media members of the Bulls that they will not be retaining Brewer, Korver, or Watson due to Luxury tax concerns. You have to keep in mind who our owner is. He doesn't want to pay it if he doesn't have to. I'd be shocked if any of them were back with the team.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 28 2012, 11:02 PM
Well they're under contract for this coming up year so they either have to be traded or released and I can't see them just out right releasing them.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 28 2012, 11:09 PM
Unfortunately that's exactly what I think is going to happen.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 29 2012, 06:55 AM
Yeah I am shocked he was there too. They really did take the best available player, plus it allows them to give Watson and Lucas walking papers.
Posted by: Balta1701-B Jun 29 2012, 06:56 AM
Lucas is expected, CJ is the interesting one because he's the only guy on the roster with a real team option that the Bulls can use to push themselves below the tax level.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 29 2012, 07:51 AM
Chad Ford @chadfordinsider
Best players that went undrafted last night: Scott Machado, Terrell Stoglin, Kevin Jones, Hollis Thompson, Drew Gordon, Henry Sims
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 29 2012, 08:16 AM
They can't just release them to get them off the payroll, their contracts are guaranteed so it'd still count against the team salary. That's the reason for the amnesty provision.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 29 2012, 08:54 AM
They all have options on their contracts that probably won't be picked up so they can avoid having to pay them.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 29 2012, 09:24 AM
Weird, Hoopshype lists Korver and Brewer as guaranteed, but I guess they're options. My bad.
Posted by: 2nd_city_saint787 Jun 29 2012, 10:13 AM
The ESPN free agent page doesn't mention any kind of options for this coming up year. It just says CJ, Brew, and Korver are unrestricted FAs in 2013.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 29 2012, 10:19 AM
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bulls.jsp
Use this site for everything involving contracts. There is all kinds of information on there. It's has everything you need.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 29 2012, 10:25 AM
Every one of those salary sites has some quirks. One that seems prevalent right now is salaries for Derrick Rose that don't add up to the $94 million total on his contract (like the one above).
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 29 2012, 10:38 AM
If you hover around each player there are a lot of misc. details about the contract. I believe he commented on the Rose contract extension number. The information is pretty spot on for the most part. I haven't found too many sites quite like it.
Also, here's something that might break your hearts like it did mine..
Spoke to a source in Chicago that said the Bulls were ready to pull the trigger on Perry Jones if he was there at 29.
https://twitter.com/Probballdraft
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 29 2012, 10:57 AM
Jake #TeamBulls @BullsBlog
Marquis Teague will wear #25 with the #Bulls.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 29 2012, 11:33 AM
That blurb only kind of makes sense. It should be basically the same numbers as Durant's deal regardless of the max numbers.
It does look pretty solid with some of the supplemental information, but the options being listed in grey bothers me. Couldn't they make it a nice, easy to see red like on hoopshype.
They also don't appear to update it religiously enough for my tastes, they still list "#4 pick" under the Hornets' cap holds and haven't adjusted for the trade yet.
Posted by: Quinarvy Jun 29 2012, 12:45 PM
That's just a really embarrassing awful atrocious move no matter how you look at it. This guy has regressed horribly as a basketball player and really doesn't contribute much of anything on the floor. If you are bringing in a veteran ahead of Teague at least let it be someone who can f'ing contribute.
I don't mind him if he could be a good tutor to Teague...but don't give him too many minutes over Teague.
Also, here's something that might break your hearts like it did mine..
https://twitter.com/Probballdraft
DAMN YOU THUNDER.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 29 2012, 02:03 PM
Chicago Bulls @chicagobulls
#Bulls will introduce No. 29 selection Marquis Teague on Monday at 11. Live streaming from BullsTV on http://Bulls.com.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jul 2 2012, 10:04 AM
Jake #TeamBulls @BullsBlog
Check out Marquis Teague's introductory press conference on http://bulls.com/live starting in five minutes. #Bulls
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