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Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 12:33 AM
It's here folks. Rose or Beasley? What will it be...discuss here.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 09:05 AM
YIPPEE!!!
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:32 AM
Derrick Rose. Also, i just heard on the radio that three different GMs called Chad Ford asking if he knew anything about Dwayne Wade being traded to the Bulls tonight? Hmmmmmmm.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 09:41 AM
I saw Stephen A Smith on tonight and indicated that the Heat should trade Marion to the Bulls for Hinrich & Tyrus Thomas and than draft Beasley (The Heat that is). Bulls would obviously be taking Rose. Interesting idea and it would give the Bulls cap relief and a pretty good player (albeit, Marion wasn't near as good outside of Phoenix but that Miami team he played on last year was horrid).
I'm very curious to see if the Bulls are able to put together a monster package for Wade because right now the Heat are kind of a mess. They have a ton of forwards and need to move some to even think about taking Beasley.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 10:41 AM
The Bulls wouldn't be getting any cap relief, Marion's option is for $17 mil a year.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 10:41 AM
http://www.talkchicagosports.com/blog/?p=106
By Jason Gage
http://www.chisport.com
This time last year, the Chicago Bulls were on cloud nine. They didn’t win the NBA Championship, but they had decisively beaten the former NBA Champion Miami Heat in the playoffs and had a strong series against the Detroit Pistons. Fans in Chicago and experts around the NBA saw nothing but a bright future in Chicago and on top of it all, the Bulls had a top 10 pick to add another talent (what most figured would be the last one they’d add in a long time). The Bulls eventually selected Noah, who looks like a solid piece (ie, Tyson Chandler Jr.).
However, the season got ugly quick, Skiles was fired as the team struggled to overcome early season injuries (Deng/Gordon/Hinrich/Ben Wallace). The Bulls ended up finding themselves in the lottery and somehow lucked out and have the top pick. GM John Paxson has his future tied to such selection as the Bulls are no longer the toast of the NBA. However, they are still the youngest team in the league and have many tradeable assets (including trade exceptions and the desireable fat contracts to make a blockbuster deal).
The one asset that no one expects to be traded is the top pick, where the Bulls are expected to take Derrick Rose. So it isn’t really the top pick that will make things interesting in Chicago, it will be the trade rumors and here’s just a few of the rumors swirling around the windy city:
1. Dwayne Wade
ESPN analyst Chad Ford has indicated that three NBA GM’s contacted him in the last 24 hours regarding Wade going to Chicago. Apparently these GM’s were both supplying information but also looking for information. This is a common thing NBA GM’s will do as often times a good NBA analyst will have a better gauge or more unique gauge on the market than the GM. There were no indications of who would be involved in such deal, but the first pick appears off the table and any deal would likely include Kirk Hinrich, who is a favorite of Riley’s. Assuming the Bulls could put together a package that didn’t include Luol Deng and the entire front court, this deal makes a lot of sense. The Bulls could utilize a back-court involving Rose/Wade/Sefolosha (I’m assuming Gordon would be a part of this deal or a seperate deal) and a wing tandom of Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni. The front court would likely be a bit thinner (Tyrus would likely be a part of the trade) but would still feature Joakim Noah and Drew Gooden which is a solid front court. Plus, in the after-math you would still have a couple players that could be moved.
2. Hinrich to the Bucks
You’ll notice a theme to all these rumors and that is Kirk Hinrich. With the selection of Derrick Rose, the Bulls are expected to move Hinrich. This will become easier on July 1, when Hinrich (and Nocioni) lose base year compensation status, but there are rumblings around the Bucks organization of a deal which would involve Hinrich going to the Bulls for salary filler (Desmond Mason and others) and the 8th overall pick. The logic is there for the Skiles and the Bucks, who are trying to make a statement that they plan on contending and need a point guard to do that. From Chicago’s standpoint they lose out in the talent end of the deal (#8 overall pick is not as valuable as Kirk Hinrich) but financially they put themselves in a better position to sign Deng & Gordon and still put the team in a spot where they can make the necessary moves to make a splash at Lebron/Wade when they become free agents.
3. Heat Trade #2 Overall Selection to Chicago
Sam Smith reported in the Chicago Tribune that the Chicago Bulls have had preliminary discussions about a deal which would net the Bulls the 2nd overall pick. This seems a bit odd, although a draft day that netted the Bulls Michael Beasley & Derrick Rose would be a good thing. The Bulls would be getting both a playmaker and scorer of the future, but Paxson would have some significant tweaking to do as Deng/Hinrich/Hughes and possibly Gordon would be without roster spots (Deng could still have one, if the team opted to play Beasley at the 4). The cost would be steap and would start at Tyrus Thomas (or Joakim Noah), Kirk Hinrich, and one other chip. The Heat have also received numerous other offers for the #2 overall selection which are believed to include stars like Elton Brand.
4. Shawn Marion to the Bulls
Not only is Kirk Hinrich a recurring theme in these rumors, but so are the Miami Heat. It appears evident that Riley & Paxson have had numerous discussions and there is definately a variety of possibilities involving Chicago & Miami. ESPN’s, Stephen A. Smith, briefly mentioned on Sportcenter the possibility of the Heat keeping the #2 pick (and taking Beasley) while moving Marion to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and Kirk Hinrich. Marion is a very good all around player, who struggled away from Steve Nash. However, it’s hard to judge Marion’s play in Miami since he was surrounded with such a terrible cast. The Heat have to move Marion just as much as the Bulls need to move Hinrich (and at least one other guard). On top of getting fair value for Hinrich & Thomas (Marion would be), the Bulls would be getting an expiring contract (which is always valuable).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 10:47 AM
Expiring contract, so they would be getting relief in a sense (basically getting rid of the long-term deal that Hinrich has).
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 10:49 AM
Well, assuming they let him walk or flip him, otherwise even with a paycut he'll end up making more than Kirk, especially since Hinrich's deal was front-loaded.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 10:51 AM
My assumption is they'd either let Marion walk or flip him. The key is they'd be spending money on a guy that would be starting, where as, Hinrich, is clearly not going to be starting. Its pretty evident Pax is trying to move some guys for expiring deals and better position the club financially speaking.
A lot of talk today around the Bulls walking out of the draft with Rose & Beasley and recently there have been a lot more positive quotes coming out of Bulls camp regarding Michael (ie, Rose & Beasley are the two guys in this draft that are "winners"). Bulls have the ability to do it and they can make up for what they give up (which will be some damn good young talent and could even include Deng) if they than go around and use the trade exception to help get them something (which will be very valuable) as well as the MLE and LLE or whatever it's called.
Posted by: AtHomeBoy_2000 Jun 26 2008, 10:52 AM
why... oh WHY do I have to have a softball game right as the draft starts? I want to see this evening unfold!!!
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 10:58 AM
It sounds as if Deng will be back on the Bulls but that Pax is more willing to move him. Gordon will likely be back, as will Gooden, but the Bulls are trying to position themselves to make a major run at Elton Brand, who apparently has told people close to him that he would be happy to return to Chicago.
If Gordon is dealt it would likely be in a sign and trade which would also involve Nocioni (who is quietly being shopped). Bottom line, the entire franchise is on the block and there are a whole lot of ways Paxson can go.
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 11:34 AM
I'd have no problem with that if it landed us Rose AND Beasley...or Brand or Marion or BOTH!
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 11:38 AM
There are so many rumors and so much hype about this year's draft. I'm having a hard time concentrating at work. Good thing I don't have much work at the end of the month. 
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 11:40 AM
Unfortunately any deals involving Gordon or Deng couldn't happen tonight.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:42 AM
Is that because they aren't under contract? I'm assuming a deal can get done but just not officially performed until later?
Posted by: AtHomeBoy_2000 Jun 26 2008, 11:43 AM
agree in principal and announce it "unofficially" so it basically locks both side into the deal.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 11:43 AM
Perhaps. From what I read they can't be moved until July?
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 26 2008, 11:53 AM
Paxson has to be making a big move this off-season. After the beatdown he has gotten for the players he didn't get, it is time to put the chips on the table and rock.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 12:00 PM
But only if JR says its ok...
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 26 2008, 12:05 PM
I don't know that I remember the last time he told a GM no. Kenny gets the override all of the time.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 12:06 PM
This has happened several times in the draft in previous years. They'll make an annoucement saying that the two teams have "agreed to a deal in principle" but all of the details and technicalities won't get ironed out until mid-summer.
Posted by: Bullhead Jun 26 2008, 12:39 PM
Beasley’s production from the post will make the Bulls a more threatening playoff team than Rose would as a point guard. Even in the era of no perimeter hand checks, a big man’s ability to control a game through high-percentage scoring opportunities and rebounding is invaluable. Teams with great post players also derive other scoring opportunities off the big man’s offensive tools. Sharpshooters around the perimeter give a big man outstanding passing options when confronted with double teams, and keen-eyed big men who set up higher in the post always have the option to drop off passes for teammates cutting through the lane or backdoor along the baseline.
A versatile big man such as Beasley, who can knock down 18-footers in his sleep, can create outstanding spacing on the floor, a key to any half-court offense. The prevailing thought every NBA playoff season is that the game slows down and proper half-court offensive execution is essential to advancing through the rounds. The reason it’s a prevailing thought is because it’s the truth. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons and Lakers have won titles since the MJ Era by successfully executing this thought process, Dwayne Wade, the refs from the ‘06 Finals and the Heat notwithstanding. If the Bulls want to become a playoff contending team with long-term title aspirations, then they will choose the big man (Beasley) over the little man (Rose) tonight.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 12:39 PM
Aaaaaahhhhh, I'm so excited! 
I just got back from work 30 minutes ago and am ready for tonight's festivities...
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 01:00 PM
A versatile big man such as Beasley, who can knock down 18-footers in his sleep, can create outstanding spacing on the floor, a key to any half-court offense. The prevailing thought every NBA playoff season is that the game slows down and proper half-court offensive execution is essential to advancing through the rounds. The reason it’s a prevailing thought is because it’s the truth. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons and Lakers have won titles since the MJ Era by successfully executing this thought process, Dwayne Wade, the refs from the ‘06 Finals and the Heat notwithstanding. If the Bulls want to become a playoff contending team with long-term title aspirations, then they will choose the big man (Beasley) over the little man (Rose) tonight.
I agree with everything you said above. The question is whether the Bulls believe they can find that big man easier than they could find a play-maker like Rose. There is no denying that in the current version of the NBA that a PG who can create can change the entire eb and flow of a game and really carry a franchise. Especially when you factor in the NBA throughouly enforcing and calling the hand-check rule which will continue to open up and make it easier for guards to dominate in this league.
So the question is, if the Bulls think Rose is this guy and can land someone like Elton Brand (who is a proven low post threat) do they do it? I don't question Beasley's ability to score but I don't necessarily see him as a true low post threat. I see him in a combination of Bosh/Melo in the sense that they will be great offensive players but if you consider him a post player, he'd be more like Bosh (in the sense a shooting big as opposed to a physically dominant one) or like Melo in the sense of a pure scorer but maybe not a great passer or anything along those lines.
Regardless I would be thrilled if the Bulls found a way to get the 2nd overall pick and nab both Beasley & Rose but that is incredibly realistic and would obviously set back the franchises time-table (but it could obviously put the franchise in a tremendous spot to make a run at Lebron/Wade in the 2010 FA race).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 01:05 PM
Apparently at some point in time the Twolves offered the Bulls Al Jefferson for the #1 overall pick. Thats the type of move I'd strongly consider but it doesn't sound like the Bulls will bite. You could acquire Jefferson and have Jefferson/Noah as your low post threat with Hinrich/Deng (legit starters) and Gordon (plus Nocioni/Hughes/etc). Obviously some salary or fillers would have to get moved, but with Jefferson on board the Bulls could pretty much focus on moving the parts for a better PG or SG.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 01:08 PM
Yikes, tough call. Would we get the number 3 as well?
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 01:10 PM
Haha, if that was the case it would a no-brainer, lol. Although you could probably expand it to such. I just don't see why Minny would do that because I truly believe Jefferson is the type of guy you build a franchise around (unless they think Rose is a better guy to do it with).
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 01:11 PM
Man, that's tempting. 23 year old big men that averaged 21-11 the last year don't become available too often. If his defense were even average I think I'd do that, but he's an atrocious defender. He also makes a lot more than the pick right now.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 01:12 PM
No, I don't think the Bulls would bite b/c they want a PG. But, if the Bulls had all along wanted Beasley, then I think they'd be crazy not to make the trade b/c 23 year old PF/C's who average 21 and 11 don't come often. The dude won't even be in his prime for 2-3 more years and at that point should be averaging 24 and 12 type #'s. That's sick...
I'd have to think about that trade, but I'm pretty sure I'd make it. I guess I'd have to consult Vinny and ask him how he thinks Al would fit into the offense Vinny wants to run, but I think he could figure out a way to make it work with a young, dominant post-player. I'd absolutely make this trade, however, if we could figure out a way to acquire Wade without giving up the #1 pick. Wade and Jefferson on the same team would be badass. And, we'd likely still have Noah and Nocioni. We'd just have to find a solid PG to run the team, which I think we could convince Duhon to come back to do if he didn't have much competition with Hinrich and Gordon both likely gone.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 01:13 PM
I actually think its almost a no-brainer to make the deal. I don't know who the Bulls give up cap wise, but I'm not concerned about his lack of defense because the Bulls still have Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah who both project into plus defensive players.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 01:23 PM
I like Jefferson a lot and certainly wouldn't complain, but I'd still worry about the D. He wasn't just a bad defender, he was awful this year, like worse than Eddy Curry. The Timberwolves allowed 12 fewer points per 100 posessions when he wasn't on the floor, which is a staggering total and the worst in the league. I really think to negate it you have to pair him with a strong defensive minded center, someone like Jermaine O'Neal (if healthy) or Samuel Dalembert. You certainly can't put him on the other team's best post player, and if it's a bigger center Tyrus and Noah probably can't hack it (unless Noah somehow gains like 25 pounds).
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 04:52 PM
In about 45 minutes, we will all know who the newest Bulls is...
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 04:52 PM
5 minutes!
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 04:53 PM
Shucks, I can't make it to a TV tonight.
Do any of you guys know if it will be streamed on ESPN360.com or NBA.com?
If anyone knew, that'd be great!
Posted by: Brian Jun 26 2008, 05:00 PM
I'd assume nba.com will have it.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:02 PM
Derrick Rose WILL be a Bull!
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 05:03 PM
I'm happy that's the case...but that's BS that Katz opened his big mouth.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 05:03 PM
DERRICK ROSE A CHICAGO BULL!!!!!
Posted by: Brian Jun 26 2008, 05:06 PM
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 05:06 PM
Andy Katz better be right! Well he said Bulls executives told him.
Posted by: AtHomeBoy_2000 Jun 26 2008, 05:07 PM
ESPN is saying they WILL take Rose.
Doesnt look like Miami is going to deal #2
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 05:10 PM
NOW LETS GET WADE!!
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:11 PM
It seems as if someone told Rose. He was smiling widely talking to his mom.
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 05:14 PM
Man, no talk about our second round pick. Who the hecks it gonna be? A Vinny Del Negro EURO player?!?!?
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:15 PM
I'd looooooooooove to get a DJ White or Bill Walker.
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 05:20 PM
No thanks to Walker and his glass knee....
I'd love DJ White. Or Dorsey or Hendrix.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:35 PM
Collectively, this might be the most inarticulate, dumbest draft class in NBA history.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:40 PM
The Chicago Bulls are OFFICIALLY on the clock...
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 05:45 PM
Derrick Rose it is!
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 05:45 PM
DERRICK freaking ROSE FINALLY OMG YES!!!
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 05:45 PM
DERRICK ROSE BABY!
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 05:51 PM
Maybe Miami hasn't lost their minds, though you never know when a trade announcement might come.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 05:52 PM
Expect a euro player. All indications out of Chicago are that the Bulls will not be selecting a guy that will be playing this season, so they'll likely take a guy who will be able to stay overseas for a year or two and continue to develop.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 05:53 PM
That's what I'm thinking. There was sooo much talk.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 06:03 PM
Westbrook taken by the Sonics. I had heard he had shot up the boards to possibly#4, but I'm still surprised he went that high. No more than 2 weeks ago he was seen as a #8-12 pick.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:03 PM
Man, Westbrook at 4 is a bit much, he's really not ready yet. He doesn't score enough to play the 2 and doesn't handle well enough to play the point. About all I'd count on him for right now is defense.
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 06:03 PM
Has that ever worked before? All I keep thinking about is flashes of Drago.
AHHHHHH!!!!!
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:04 PM
I thought they shoulda gotten Jarryd Bayless, I think he's going to be one of the top 5 players in this draft. I really like his game.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:05 PM
AHHHHHH!!!!!
The Spurs seem to do well with the Euro guys?
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 06:05 PM
After all the talk of how the Heat didn't "love" Beasley and the non-excitement on Beasley's face when he was picked, I'd have to imagine the pick will get traded.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:06 PM
Yeah I'm surprised about Westbrook. I hope he does well. That team needs to improve.
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 06:07 PM
Agreed.
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 06:07 PM
I'm not talking about Euro players in general, im talking about drafting them and then having them sit overseas for awhile.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:08 PM
Love goes to Memphis. No surprise there.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:09 PM
I think Love will do very well in Memphis.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:12 PM
They get lucky with Bayless here... darn!
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:13 PM
OMG HORRIBLE PICK!!
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:14 PM
Knicks fans are something else.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 06:14 PM
Knicks fans are just stupid.
Who won't they boo?
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:14 PM
So you've seen Gallinari play? Or are you just doing your best Knicks fan impression?
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:15 PM
HAHAHAHAHA! I love the Knicks fans hating their picks.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:17 PM
That, and the fact that I don't like drafting Euro players high EVER. Look no further than Darko Milicic and Andrea Bargnani. They're best when they have time to develop overseas like Manu and Luis Scola.. Terrible pick, considering they had a chance to get their point guard in Bayless!
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 06:17 PM
Seriously, Knicks fans, what the hell is your problem? You could at least not boo the kid while he's being interviewed...
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:18 PM
Maybe it's the reason they're bad. Knicks fans make them feel bad. There is SO much pressure on them.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:19 PM
Because Darko and Bargnani are horrible players? There has to be some reason why Bayless is seen falling to as low as 12.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:19 PM
Would the Knicks' fans have booed if Michael Beasley somehow fell to them? I'm thinking maybe...
I haven't seen Gallinari play, but everything I've read says he can play and should contribute right away, which is more than you can say for a lot of these guys.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:22 PM
Clippers drafting a SG makes me think Hinrich might be someone they want.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 06:22 PM
Galinari looks like he needs to add a lot of size, he could be good, Euro players are always tough to pin.
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 06:22 PM
I smell a Kirk to LA deal involving Brand in the works.....
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:24 PM
Considering where they were drafted, yes. Ya think Detroit wants a redo to get Mello now? Gasol is really the only Euro guy I can think of that came in right away and produced. You could throw Dirk in there but he struggled his first couple years in the league.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:25 PM
I can't believe how far Bayless is falling. I don't really like Alexander. I hope the Bucks see something I don't.
Posted by: HardWorkin'Hinrich Jun 26 2008, 06:27 PM
Word to everyone on this board:
Bayless is OVERRATED!!!
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:28 PM
There wasn't anything close to a Carmelo Anthony or Dwayne Wade on the board. It's not like these other guys are going to come out and dominate right away. Plus unlike those schmucks Gallinari was actually playing and producing in Europe.
Oh, and Dirk averaged 17.5 and 6.4 in his second year. Not exactly struggling there.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:31 PM
I'd go big here if I were Charlotte but I'm not a fan of Lopez.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:31 PM
Wow. That was a surprise.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:31 PM
Hmmmm Augustin, whats that mean for Felton..
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:32 PM
This is almost as surprising as the Westbrook pick.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 06:33 PM
Brook is free falling, someone snatch him up.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:34 PM
Possibly Anthony Randolph here? I'm thinking this might be Lopez
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:34 PM
I doubt it would be NJ since they have lots of big men, IND probably since they just traded their center. They'll probably happily draft him.
Edit: oh well, I hope they get him playing time. Not that I think he'll be that good.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:36 PM
The Nets are incredibly dumb. Boone, Yi, Williams, Krstic, and Lopez.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:38 PM
Maybe they forgot about the trade they made today.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:40 PM
Lopez is pretty funny though hahaa. So is his brother.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:41 PM
Bayless now?? They just got TJ Ford, I don't get this..
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:41 PM
I bet they're stoked to have Bayless. Too bad they just traded for Ford.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:41 PM
Decent pick by Indiana.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:42 PM
Eh, Ford will get hurt eventually anyways, get some insurance. Not like he's a true PG anyways.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:48 PM
Thompson is a surprise pick, but it's a MUCH better pick than Jordan or Randolph.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:48 PM
I don't remember hearing anything about this guy.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:48 PM
This guy looks like a buffed out version of Chris Paul face wise..
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:49 PM
Wow, that's a reach. Not a whole lot of great choices though.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:53 PM
Thats a solid Blazers pick.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:53 PM
Why did Portland go SG? Isn't Roy a SG?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 06:54 PM
ford says bayless going to portland for jack and 13
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 06:55 PM
That would be a good trade for both teams.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 06:57 PM
Yeah I was just thinking that since Roy's a SG and all. neither team really needs the player they drafted.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 06:57 PM
Warriors get the thinner Tyrus Thomas. Have fun with that.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 06:58 PM
Man, not so hot Golden State. He's like the same player as Brandan Wright, only I like the latter better.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 06:59 PM
That's what I was thinking... Why draft the same player 2 years in a row? I guess they must really like that player.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:01 PM
Hey I actually agree with what Dicky V is saying for once. He didn't like the Galanari pick either..
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:03 PM
Smart pick since Shaq is old. I thought he'd go later.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 07:03 PM
Probably not a good sign then for you then.
Vitale is strictly a college guy, he never likes any foreigner or high schooler (the latter isn't an issue anymore).
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:03 PM
Not exactly the best guy to agree with...
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 07:05 PM
I really like that pick for PHX. That's exactly the type of player they need with all the scorers they have. They need some tough D down low.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:06 PM
Will the Lopez brothers be the first GOOD twins in the NBA in history? I don't know anything about much earlier than the 90's.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 07:09 PM
Darrell Arthur right here?
EDIT: Right position, wrong player... Marreese Speights
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:10 PM
This is from ESPN.com, Derrick Rose is talking in a live chat.. I love his answer to this question
Derrick Rose: Tyrus Thomas. He's used to playing the typ of game tha tI play - the uptempo game.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:10 PM
Zoom's boy...
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:12 PM
Shocker.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 07:12 PM
I love Speights, and he's got a good fit in Philly. On pure talent he probably should have gone 6th or so. Hopefully he doesn't let the work ethic come back to bite him.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:13 PM
Nice for Indiana. They filled their holes. Seems a bit early for Hibbert though.
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 07:14 PM
Roy Hibbert? How many bigs do the Raptors need?
nevermind, forgot it was the pacers pick.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:14 PM
What? That Rose actually looks forward to playing with a guy you hate?
Not surprised by your reaction.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:14 PM
Roy Hibbert to Toronto. Apparently Charlotte wanted him at 20. He'll be going to IND though.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:15 PM
In all likelyhood he's going to Indiana
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:15 PM
Not surprised by your reaction.
You shouldn't be, as I am not surprised with you loving his response in a further effort to slurp Tyrus Thomas.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:18 PM
And for you to continue to hate on him
I'm sorry, maybe you should hate on Rose now too since he likes Thomas..
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:18 PM
I think Robin's gonna end up better solely because he gets Shaq and Amare and he's on Phoenix.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:19 PM
I'm sorry, maybe you should hate on Rose now too since he likes Thomas..
No, Rose is already 10 times the player Tyrus is. Rose has a couple things called skill and talent to go along with his athleticism.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:20 PM
I thought a lot of people would be stretching for position. I'm not sure why they didn't take Koufos or Jordan.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:20 PM
BUT HE LIKES TYRUS!!!??? THAT CANNOT BE TRUE!!
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:21 PM
oooooh Ike Diogu. Why are there always throw ins?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:22 PM
Damn, that Kevin Pritchard knows wtf he's doing.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:24 PM
He said he's excited about practicing with him. Read the question. Tyrus won't be playing much unless he earns it. Hell, I'm still hopeful we ship his sorry ass out.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 07:26 PM
Man my mock draft is a mess. 
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:27 PM
Haha as if it matters.. Like anyones going to say "I love practicing with him but I don't wanna play a game with him" yeah that makes alot of sense. Unless we trade for DWade or Elton Brand, Tyrus will still be wearing a Bulls uniform at the start of the season.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 07:28 PM
Who the fish cares? Do you think he's going to say, "the roster sucks huge balls, they better toss it?" Of course he's going to say he likes that stiff. Guess what, he openly said he didn't pay much attention to the Bulls this year. He didn't give a spiff, he doesn't give a spiff. He's going to get his money and throw the ball to an open guy.
Hopefully, that's not the talentless Tyrus Thomas.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:29 PM
Hopefully, that's not the talentless Tyrus Thomas.
Well said.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:31 PM
Hopefully, that's not the talentless Tyrus Thomas.
What are you talking about? All I showed was a question regarding who Derrick looks forward to playing with and he responded "Tyrus Thomas". His game is up-tempo and Tyrus is a guy that comes to mind when your talking about that style of play, which is why he mentioned his name.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:33 PM
How can you be uptempto if you don't run the court?
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 07:33 PM
For someone that said you're not as excited about Tyrus anymore and aren't going to post about him anymore, you're sure finding a weird thing to make a big deal about. You should all feel dirty about making 10 posts or so on something pretty damn minor.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 07:36 PM
If you can go two weeks without talking about tyrus, I'll make you a mod.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:37 PM
We didn't play uptempo last year, there we weren't the greatest fastbreak team in the world. Adding Derrick Rose helps and VDN is going to get his guys ready to run the floor. I'd like to think Tyrus will do the same.
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 26 2008, 07:40 PM
Ryan Anderson? Really? He can shoot, but that's about it and isn't a good athlete.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:43 PM
Bahaha, okay smart guy, well I never said I'd stop talking about Tyrus Thomas, what I said was, I was going to quit making posts about why I am not as sold on Tyrus as I used to be because everyone here seems to think that I think he's going to be this Superstar.. At one time (Like a year and a half ago) I did think that, now, not so much..
You guys keep saying the same things over and over again which makes me talk more about him.
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 07:43 PM
i wanted the bulls to get him. at least CDR and bill walker are there right now.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:45 PM
Btw, tune into Comcast Sports Net at 9:30 for Interviews and such with the Bulls Derrick Rose.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 07:46 PM
Good tip, will do, thanks!
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 07:48 PM
What New York is to guard, the Nets are to big men. Anderson, Williams, Boone, Krstic, Lopez, and Yi,
Posted by: truthandbasketball Jun 26 2008, 07:49 PM
Just got a couple minutes free to post...... Bulls made the right choice with Rose..... The bar was jumpin when they announced it!!!! Thank you Pax, now lets add a couple more pieces to the puzzle!!! Go Bulls!!!!
Posted by: Balta1701-B Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM
Koufos falls to the Jazz. They've got to be thrilled.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 07:52 PM
If I had to pick one place for him to go and be successful, it'd be there.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 07:52 PM
I hope DJ White falls to us, or maybe the Walker kid outta KState
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:03 PM
Love this pick for Houston.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 08:04 PM
My Jazz friend fans are excited about it. I think Jazz might have been better off getting a guard, but I'm sure the Jazz will be happy with Koufos.
Posted by: Wanne Jun 26 2008, 08:05 PM
Arthur is plummeting...
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:05 PM
I wonder if the Spurs take a chance on Jordan?
EDIT: Nope, its George Hill
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:07 PM
It seems that NBA GM's realized that Jordan couldn't even start in college and isn't worthy of being a 1st round pick.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 08:08 PM
Maybe he'll fall to the Bulls.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:08 PM
Plenty to go:
CDR
Donte Greene
DeAndre Jordan
Darrell Arthur
Mario Chalmers
DJ White
Bill Walker
James Gist
JR Giddens
Malik Hairston
Richard Hendrix
DeVon Hardin
Kyle Weaver
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:13 PM
Portland is freaking LOADED.
Posted by: steve9347 Jun 26 2008, 08:24 PM
That they are. If I were New Orleans I'd tell them to eat my ass and keep him.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:26 PM
There goes White..
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 08:34 PM
this is probably where CDR goes unfortunately.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:35 PM
Wow, now Portland trades to get Batum for Arthur.
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 08:37 PM
wow! any chance CDR fall to us. if he is there and we pass on him i will be pissed.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:38 PM
Where are you getting this from?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:43 PM
I'm getting some of this information from DraftExpress.. Now there saying DJ White might get traded.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:47 PM
To SEA for the 32nd and 46th picks I believe.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:50 PM
Lol Joey Dorsey going before DeAndre Jordan!! I'm sure he's thinkin that he shouldn't have shown up for some of them Private workouts.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:51 PM
Dorsey can at least rebound, and is pretty damn athletic himself.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 08:52 PM
I'd love if DeAndre Jordan fell to the Bulls or even CDR.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 08:54 PM
Just have to hope a little longer.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 08:55 PM
Well there goes one of them..
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 08:55 PM
Jordan, Walker, CDR, Hendrix...can't go wrong with any of those.
So much for Jordan lol.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 08:57 PM
CDR or Walker? I say walker just because of our overcrowded backcourt..
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 08:59 PM
I really really want CDR...
Just like to say I never in a million years would have believe Dorsey would go higher than CDR. That's just wrong. Dorsey will not be a good pro. 6'7'' PF's with no offensive games and foul problems (in college) don't typically do well in the Association.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 09:01 PM
Wouldn't mind Josh Duncan or even Bill Walker, CDR might fall to us though.
Cross your fingers.
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:02 PM
Please CDR!!!!
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 09:03 PM
Like Tyrus?
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:04 PM
He is there! Please Take HIM!
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:04 PM
haha, i did kind of explain Tyrus, didn't I? At least Tyrus was really good in college. Dorsey never really has been. I guess that doesn't bode well for Dorsey, lol.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 09:05 PM
Walker, CDR, Hendrix all still there for the Bulls. Do it Pax.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 09:05 PM
Yesssss. Take CDR please. That or a big man.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:06 PM
Oh, please take CDR... though I get the feeling we'll take a European guy that can play over there for a few years and then come here.
Posted by: ChWRoCk2 Jun 26 2008, 09:06 PM
Who?
Stupid.
Posted by: Cowch Jun 26 2008, 09:06 PM
Lol what?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 09:06 PM
Good pick IMO, athletic defender. He was the fastest guy in the draft.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:07 PM
Damn... I really wanted CDR or Walker, but Weems is okay.
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 09:07 PM
Or Sonny Weems?
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:08 PM
CDR gets picked right after him. STUPID!
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:13 PM
Yeah, he is very good athletically. One Arkansas fan on the radio was saying that if he had played on a better team, he would have been a sure-fire 1st rounder. He thought the offensive gameplan didn't favor Weems at Arkansas, but he has a lot more talent than he showed this year. Given that, he was still 1st team All-SEC, so that says something right there.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:16 PM
Well, good draft, people. I don't think we could have asked for much more from a draft standpoint. Now, from a trade/free agency standpoint, we have awhile to go...
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:23 PM
Love Derrick Rose, Don't like the second pick. Really wanted CDR or Walker, but hell who knows with a second round pick. I just think that CDR might have eased the transition for Rose.
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 09:43 PM
Well damn, Pax says Weems won't be playing with the Bulls.. He's hinting that they drafted a foreigner but details will come out later.
Posted by: soxfan3530 Jun 26 2008, 09:46 PM
hmmmmm. interesting.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 09:47 PM
Oh, so we drafted him and are trading him for one of the foreigners taken later (along with cash?) or something like that?
Posted by: Chicago Bulls Franchise Jun 26 2008, 09:50 PM
Pax just said, they got a guy that is going to be playing overseas for a couple of years, won't say who but stay tuned! Not sure about cash.
Posted by: daa84 Jun 26 2008, 10:10 PM
its Omer Asik from Turkey....John Hollinger had him rated in his top 10 by his statistical metrics
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 26 2008, 10:19 PM
How can you be sure about this? Is this speculation based on Hollinger's ratings?
Posted by: JDsDirtySox Jun 26 2008, 10:25 PM
ESPN's Draft Tracker has Asik's right being traded to us... but doesn't have anything next to Sonny Weems.
Anxious to hear more about this.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 10:30 PM
Oh yeah, I remember them talking about this guy. Is he the one they said fell b/c he just signed a long-term contract with his European team, so he wouldn't be able to come to the US for a few years? Otherwise, he would have been a 1st rounder. (I realize that may describe a few guys, lol)... If that's the case, I'll take a 7-footer with big upside as a 2nd rounder any day.
Posted by: daa84 Jun 26 2008, 10:32 PM
yeah one of hollingers articles said he signed a 5 year deal, but pax said in the press conference he may be able to help us 3 years down the line...not sure if that was just lip service or what, but hollingers article said theres no buyout clause...
i posted it over at soxtalk but ill put it here too
That leaves out one important participant in Thursday's draft festivities: Italian forward Danilo Gallinari.
Fortunately, I have a system for converting Euroleague performance to NBA performance, one that's been uncanny in its accuracy in previous seasons. For instance, a year ago I projected a PER of 7.36 for Marco Belinelli, 15.16 for Juan Carlos Navarro and 16.27 for Luis Scola. The actual numbers were 8.23, 11.90 and 16.18, with only Navarro deviating from his projection. Previous seasons have shown similar accuracy.
The reason this works is that there's a predictable relationship between a player's stats in the Euroleague -- the highest level of European basketball -- and what they'll be in the NBA. Crossing the Atlantic does the following to a player's results:
• Scoring rate decreases 25 percent
• Rebound rate increases by 18 percent (there are more missed shots in NBA play)
• Assist rate increases by 31 percent (Euro scorers are tightwads with assists)
• Shooting percentage drops by 12 percent
• Overall, PER drops by 30 percent.
In the case of Danilo Gallinari, he projects to a PER of 13.21 -- pretty darn good for a 20-year-old. The caveat is that he did this in just 11 games for a bad team, AJ Milano, that won only three games. As a result he shot more than he would normally at the pro level, and likely a worse percentage. His projected numbers from Europe are 14.5 points per 40 minutes and 37.0 percent shooting; I'd expect the points to be lower and the percentage to be higher unless he's picked by a truly awful team (in a related story, the Clippers pick seventh).
This is a "Year 1" projection, as opposed to the "Year 3" projections I used for the college prospects, and once you factor in his age and growth potential you'd have to presume he'd be up around 15 or 16 by Year 3. If so, it would make Gallinari one of the top prospects in this year's draft, and his status as a likely selection between six and 10 seems reasonable.
If I had to slot him into my board, I'd rate him sixth -- combining my numbers with some subjective opinion, I have Michael Beasley and Kevin Love as the two best players, followed by Derrick Rose, Joe Alexander and Darrell Arthur. Gallinari, Jerryd Bayless, Marreese Speights, Brook Lopez and D.J. Augustin round out my top 10, with Mario Chalmers and Roy Hibbert the next two names on the board. Since there's only about 12 guys in any draft who can play, those are the 12 I'm putting my money on.
Actually, there are two other foreign players that I think might be better than Gallinari, and both are in this draft. Unfortunately, contracts may get in the way of either ever coming to the NBA.
The first is Omer Asik, a Turkish center who played for Fenerbahce Ulker in Istanbul this past season. In 279 Euroleague minutes -- granted, a smallish sample -- his performance projects to 12.2 points and 13.5 boards per 40 minutes, with 52.3 percent shooting and a 15.23 PER. He blocks shots, too, setting a Euroleague Round of 16 record for rejections this year.
He's 22, 7-feet tall with a decent frame and relatively new to the game and still improving. So what's the hang-up? Apparently he signed a five-year deal to stay in Turkey with no buyout, meaning he might not play in the NBA for a long time. That would be a shame. I have little doubt that Asik should be a lottery pick, but the contract issue may leave him as a mid-second rounder.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 10:50 PM
i posted it over at soxtalk but ill put it here too
Sounds great to me! I know it's just one man's opinion, but it's great to hear nonetheless. The only downside is if he really is 27 by the time he could come here to play. Though, that's still young enough to have an a decent impact for us down the road (i.e. Luis Scola).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:01 PM
AHHHHHH!!!!!
It has worked very well for the Spurs.
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:04 PM
They definately have a need at point and the Bulls could make a run at Brand, but the idea of getting Brand doesn't really fit drafting Rose who will clearly take a year or two or even three before he turns into the all star type player the Bulls think he can be and at that point, Brand will likely be a shell of his current self (or at least only have one or two more good seasons left). So while getting Brand makes the Bulls a better playoff team, I don't see how it necessarily puts the pieces together to ever turn the team into a title contender and thats the type of vision I hope Paxson has. He needs to make sure what he does with the parts/assets he doesn't keep helps put the Bulls in position to be a title contender around 2010 (albeit, they'll want to be a playoff team in 09 & 10 say they can sell that to whomever big time FA they try to lure in).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:09 PM
Hopefully, that's not the talentless Tyrus Thomas.
Come on guys, there is no way you can call Tyrus talentless. You can call him a mental headcase or things like that, but he has an absolute boatload of talent. That doesn't mean he has a high basketball IQ or basketball fundementals, but part of having talent is athletism and he's got all kinds of it. He also flashes some pretty nice offensive game and I'm willing to see if he can step things up under a different style coach (Boylan doesn't count so this is only his 2nd head coach).
We also all knew he was raw coming out of college so that was part of the process and the Bulls need to be patient. This is going to be the big year in Tyrus development which shows whether he can or can't, imo and its all going to come down to him getting it between the ears. He seems like the most part a good guy but he does have issues (and they've all been brought up numerous times by Sam Smith and others in the media).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:11 PM
Tyrus has a motor, whether he runs the court or not, he has all the ability in the world to play in an uptemp offensive system. In fact, its the exact system that should thrive to his game. He also has an assload more offensive game than Tyson Chandler so if Rose ends up being close to as good as Rose we should be able to see a lot of nice things out of Chandler. Heck, Noah and Chandler are very comparable players (limited offensive game's, Tyson a bit better of an athlete (given his larger frame) but Noah with much better hands.
And I'm not a Tyrus lover by any means, but some of the comments you and Steve made are a bit off the deep end, imo. I know I for one am excited to see what Del Negro and company bring on board and how it effects the younger players. I'm also excited to see what Rose can do and if they made the right pick, but I am well aware of the fact that we'll see some serious growing pains out of Derrick early on (maybe even for a year or two).
Posted by: Chisoxfn Jun 26 2008, 11:14 PM
Very good athlete who should turn into a plus defensive player (or at least has the skill-set to do such). Bulls will likley send him to the dleague for a season and let him work on his offensive touch and defensive tenacity and maybe a year from now he'll make his way there with a goal of hitting the rotation 2 years from now.
Edit: Sweet, I like the pick of the Turkish center even more. He's a far better talent and has size. Plus the one thing the Bulls don't have is open roster space so taking a guy who slid because he won't be able to play in the NBA for a couple years isn't a downer to me. He'll get to play in the Euro league and continue to improve his game and eventually slide over to the NBA and help the Bulls out.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 26 2008, 11:37 PM
My feelings exactly. I love the trade to pick up his rights.
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 27 2008, 12:38 PM
The Congo had as many guys drafted in the draft last night as all of the University of Kentucky, UNC, and Duke combined. (1)
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 27 2008, 12:48 PM
Fun fact #2, the continent of Europe had as many players drafted as the entire Big 10 (3).
Posted by: SoxFan1 Jun 27 2008, 01:12 PM
Or not?
Gallinari (Italy)
Batum (France)
Ajinca (France)
Pekovic (Serbia)
Asik (Turkey) - though he could be considered Asian
Dragic (Slovenia)
Tomic (Croatia)
Dragicevic (Serbia)
Erden (Turkey) - See: Asik
Posted by: madisonsmadhouse Jun 27 2008, 01:22 PM
Gallinari (Italy)
Batum (France)
Ajinca (France)
Pekovic (Serbia)
Asik (Turkey) - though he could be considered Asian
Dragic (Slovenia)
Tomic (Croatia)
Dragicevic (Serbia)
Erden (Turkey) - See: Asik
I don't know why I was thinking Yugoslavia was all in Asia.
Anyways, the point remains that the Big Ten didn't do anything this year...
Posted by: ZoomSlowik Jun 27 2008, 02:55 PM
Anyways, the point remains that the Big Ten didn't do anything this year...
Well, OSU has been the only one that's consistently been signing NBA-caliber talent the last few years. They've got 4 first rounders over the last two years and will have a top-5 pick next year with Mullens, everyone else is a lot more sporadic in getting/developing those kind of guys.
Posted by: dasox24 Jun 28 2008, 01:58 AM
Yeah, um, I'm pretty sure you could say that about every conference... So, I wouldn't knock the Big 10 b/c they got less players drafted than the whole continent of Europe.
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