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post Feb 8 2007, 10:18 PM
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Chandler is 11 and 22 so far tonight. In his last 5 he is 11 and 14. On season he is 8, 11 and 2.
Eddy Curry is 20 and 7 on the season.

Both are 24 years old and get paid less than Wallace and Brown.

Why do we have to live through this misery for at least the next 10 years?

Also considering we could've had these two while still retaining our current big 4 of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni only adds fuel to the fire...
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:23 PM
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Eddy Curry had heart problems and is a fatty.

We have Tyrus Thomas and another pick coming up.

Pax has taken this team from a perrennial 11 win team to back to back playoffs. I'm fine with that freak of an experient being over with.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:11 PM) *
Chandler is 11 and 22 so far tonight. In his last 5 he is 11 and 14. On season he is 8, 11 and 2.
Eddy Curry is 20 and 7 on the season.

Both are 24 years old and get paid less than Wallace and Brown.

Why do we have to live through this misery for at least the next 10 years?

Also considering we could've had these two while still retaining our current big 4 of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni only adds fuel to the fire...


If we have those two, we are easily the Best team in the East right now. Krause had a vision. Paxon blew it up.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:26 PM
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I was just thinking about this earlier today. It's a shame. We would easily be the top team in the east with these two still around. Just shows what can happen when you give up on young talent too early. Now were stuck with the now overrated, overpaid, declining Ben Wallace for the next 4 years. P.J. has basically been a waste of space.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:28 PM
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Chandler is a joke. Hes a little hot head twerp who gets dominated by big men and with Curry we didnt have much of a choice. We all wanted to keep Curry here but his heart condition (AKA ephedra) and his refusal for the physical made it impossible.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (steve9347 @ Feb 8 2007, 10:16 PM) *
Eddy Curry had heart problems and is a fatty.

We have Tyrus Thomas and another pick coming up.

Pax has taken this team from a perrennial 11 win team to back to back playoffs. I'm fine with that freak of an experient being over with.


That fatty should've made the all-star team. Eddy is having a great year. I give Paxson a lot of credit for turning this franchise around. But he has made some pretty dumb moves.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Feb 8 2007, 10:21 PM) *
Chandler is a joke. Hes a little hot head twerp who gets dominated by big men and with Curry we didnt have much of a choice. We all wanted to keep Curry here but his heart condition (AKA ephedra) and his refusal for the physical made it impossible.


What? Dude is averaging almost 12 RPG. And, unlike Mr. 15 million dollar man, has a solid impact defensively EVERY single night. I'm torn as far as Eddy goes. I never wanted him to go. But I understood, atleast at the time, why he had to. If Tyrus Thomas becomes the player we all think and hope he becomes, and our pick this year is somewhere in the top 6 or so, the trade basically evens out for both teams (we win the trade easily if we can somehow, someway land Oden or Durant).
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Jordan4life_2007 @ Feb 8 2007, 10:19 PM) *
I was just thinking about this earlier today. It's a shame. We would easily be the top team in the east with these two still around. Just shows what can happen when you give up on young talent too early. Now were stuck with the now overrated, overpaid, declining Ben Wallace for the next 4 years. P.J. has basically been a waste of space.


Apparently he was okay. The Knicks doctors checked Curry and they said he was perfectly fine. Paxson made up that story about Curry having a heart problem so he wouldn't have to gamble on 2 unproven players.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:25 PM) *
Apparently he was okay. The Knicks doctors checked Curry and they said he was perfectly fine. Paxson made up that story about Curry having a heart problem so he wouldn't have to gamble on 2 unproven players.


I won't say all that. But there should've been a way to resolve the situation without having to trade Eddy.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE (Jordan4life_2007 @ Feb 8 2007, 10:19 PM) *
I was just thinking about this earlier today. It's a shame. We would easily be the top team in the east with these two still around. Just shows what can happen when you give up on young talent too early. Now were stuck with the now overrated, overpaid, declining Ben Wallace for the next 4 years. P.J. has basically been a waste of space.


Do you watch basketball outside of Chicago? Chandler is having a great year and is averaging a lot less TO per mins played then he did with the Bulls. That tells me that he has learned to play the game. He will also improve as he is only 24. As Bulls fans we need to admit that paxson made a mistake and that will haunt us for years to come.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:29 PM) *
Do you watch basketball outside of Chicago? Chandler is having a great year and is averaging a lot less TO per mins played then he did with the Bulls. That tells me that he has learned to play the game. He will also improve as he is only 24. As Bulls fans we need to admit that paxson made a mistake and that will haunt us for years to come.


Did you mean to quote Drunkbomber? lol.
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post Feb 8 2007, 10:57 PM
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06/07-7.6 points, 11.6 rpg, ft%492 TO 1.6 and his team isnt winning and isnt anywhere near the playoffs this year.

career- 7.1, 8.2 rpg

He also has a fairly nice sized little contract himself.

Hes constantly in foul trouble and that kills his minutes.

We also didn't trade him hoping to pick up much from the deal, it was to dump his contract and bring in some veteran leadership. The mistake the Bulls made was trading Brand for Chandler and not working something out with Curry. There are tons of players who could put up those numbers on a losing team.

Theres also addition by subtraction with Wallace, like Vinateiri and the Colts. We took the heart and soul from the perennial best team in the east.

Chandler grabbing a few rebounds when his team is below 500 isnt gonna amount to him stopping Shaq in the eastern conference finals or anything of that nature.
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 08:11 PM) *
Chandler is 11 and 22 so far tonight. In his last 5 he is 11 and 14. On season he is 8, 11 and 2.
Eddy Curry is 20 and 7 on the season.

Both are 24 years old and get paid less than Wallace and Brown.

Why do we have to live through this misery for at least the next 10 years?

Also considering we could've had these two while still retaining our current big 4 of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni only adds fuel to the fire...

I know that if we had this squad with Curry and Wallace we would be the clear favorites to win the East. However, at the time there was absolutely no way the Chicago Bulls could have given Eddy Curry the contract he got from the Knicks. I feel bad for Eddy for leaving because he really is a very solid guy (and misunderstand by many Bulls fans because Eddy was not a problem child by any means) but he took the money and at the time got some bad advice to pass up on the genetic test. It looks like everything was fine but the Bulls weren't about to run a guy out on the court who could die. They even offered to pay him a very good chunk of money for the rest of his life if he took the test and failed.

The Bulls were looking out for him but his agent and friends were telling him the wrong things. Luckily he has stayed healthy and the mistake he made by not trusting the Bulls isn't going to bite him in the butt.

QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 08:18 PM) *
If we have those two, we are easily the Best team in the East right now. Krause had a vision. Paxon blew it up.

Tyson Chandler would not have put up the numbers he currently is with the Bulls. I liked Chandler but he wasn't working in Chicago and Ben Wallace is twice the player Chandler is. However, I'd be the first to say that Tyson has the potential to be a Ben Wallace type player and at times he is that guy.

QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 08:25 PM) *
Apparently he was okay. The Knicks doctors checked Curry and they said he was perfectly fine. Paxson made up that story about Curry having a heart problem so he wouldn't have to gamble on 2 unproven players.

Dude, Eddy Curry was hospitalized and missed the rest of the season that year. The Bulls were afraid he had a genetic heart condition and the only way to find out whether he had it or not was to take a medical test. The Bulls had a deal as good, if not better than the one the Knicks offered but it was contingent on Curry taking the genetic test. The Bulls also told Curry that if he failed the test he would get something like 25-30 million from the Bulls (paid out sporatically every year) for the next 25-30 years. I don't think there is a franchise in the league that would have treated Eddy as classy as the Bulls did.

And to this day if you talk to Eddy about it I think he knows just how much the Bulls cared and he's said that. That whole situation also still holds a soft spot to Paxson. I should add if the Bulls had Curry and Deng at 100% in those playoffs we take out the Wizards and probably have a chance at making a nice run (as we were playing tremendous basketball late that season).
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post Feb 9 2007, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:29 PM) *
Do you watch basketball outside of Chicago? Chandler is having a great year and is averaging a lot less TO per mins played then he did with the Bulls. That tells me that he has learned to play the game. He will also improve as he is only 24. As Bulls fans we need to admit that paxson made a mistake and that will haunt us for years to come.


Yeah. Sorry about that.

QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 9 2007, 03:11 AM) *
Yeah. Sorry about that.


LOL. I still can't get this quoting system.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 8 2007, 11:10 PM) *
I know that if we had this squad with Curry and Wallace we would be the clear favorites to win the East. However, at the time there was absolutely no way the Chicago Bulls could have given Eddy Curry the contract he got from the Knicks. I feel bad for Eddy for leaving because he really is a very solid guy (and misunderstand by many Bulls fans because Eddy was not a problem child by any means) but he took the money and at the time got some bad advice to pass up on the genetic test. It looks like everything was fine but the Bulls weren't about to run a guy out on the court who could die. They even offered to pay him a very good chunk of money for the rest of his life if he took the test and failed.

The Bulls were looking out for him but his agent and friends were telling him the wrong things. Luckily he has stayed healthy and the mistake he made by not trusting the Bulls isn't going to bite him in the butt.
Tyson Chandler would not have put up the numbers he currently is with the Bulls. I liked Chandler but he wasn't working in Chicago and Ben Wallace is twice the player Chandler is. However, I'd be the first to say that Tyson has the potential to be a Ben Wallace type player and at times he is that guy.
Dude, Eddy Curry was hospitalized and missed the rest of the season that year. The Bulls were afraid he had a genetic heart condition and the only way to find out whether he had it or not was to take a medical test. The Bulls had a deal as good, if not better than the one the Knicks offered but it was contingent on Curry taking the genetic test. The Bulls also told Curry that if he failed the test he would get something like 25-30 million from the Bulls (paid out sporatically every year) for the next 25-30 years. I don't think there is a franchise in the league that would have treated Eddy as classy as the Bulls did.

And to this day if you talk to Eddy about it I think he knows just how much the Bulls cared and he's said that. That whole situation also still holds a soft spot to Paxson. I should add if the Bulls had Curry and Deng at 100% in those playoffs we take out the Wizards and probably have a chance at making a nice run (as we were playing tremendous basketball late that season).


Dude, the Knicks doctors CHECKED Curry and they told him he was FINE! Why the hell would doctors lie? I don't even think Paxson consulted a real doctor. He just wanted to get Curry out of here b/c he didnt' want to pay him the money so he made a bullshit story.
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 9 2007, 03:17 AM) *
Yeah. Sorry about that.
LOL. I still can't get this quoting system.
Dude, the Knicks doctors CHECKED Curry and they told him he was FINE! Why the hell would doctors lie? I don't even think Paxson consulted a real doctor. He just wanted to get Curry out of here b/c he didnt' want to pay him the money so he made a bullshit story.


Cast your mind back to the 04/05 season and you’ll see that Eddy only played 63 games that year and no playoff games. This was because he was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat also known as an arrhythmia. I don’t know if you are familiar with Reggie Lewis but he was a Boston Celtic player who had similar heart problems to Eddy, was cleared to play by a doctor, and at age 27 dropped dead on a practice court in the 1993 off-season. Consequently afterward there was a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his doctor, Dr Gilbert Mudge. Mudge defended his decision to let Lewis play citing that Lewis came to him in 1993 seeking a second opinion after the Celtics' "Dream Team" of doctors said he had a potentially fatal heart ailment that threatened his playing career.
Sound familiar????
There are doctors out there who can be bought for the right price and NBA teams sure have enough cash to throw around. Look at the Knicks payroll for Christ sake!!! You really think that that snake Isaiah Thomas gives a crap about his player’s well beings??? Think again....

Knowing that Eddy was experiencing heart problems Pax was weary about letting Eddy play without knowing for certain that his life was not at risk. I don’t know about you but that says something to me about Pax's relationship to his players. He put Eddy's safety before the team and asked Curry to take a DNA test to ensure Eddy was physically fit enough to play. If you go to any business in the world you'll see similar evaluations or tests of an employees ability to perform basic job tasks. This was no different but Eddy, fearing that he was going to fail, (Why would he be scared of something if it wasn’t true??????) opted not to take the test and left Pax with a decision.
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.
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post Feb 9 2007, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 04:41 AM) *
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.[/color]


THANK YOU.

Second guess all you want people, but the amazing Eddy Curry (who still doesn't play a lick of defense) doesn't even have his Knicks en-route to the playoffs this season. If Curry were still here, two things would be different... he wouldn't be a fat cow now, because the Bulls actually insisted he didn't turn into a better version of Michael Sweetney, and he still wouldn't be playing at the end of the 4th quarter because he never had the work ethic to actually improve his defense.

As for Chandler, I never wanted to deal him, and I thought giving him away was nuts... but Pax had a vision, and his vision (which includes Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, Sefolosha, Nocioni) is the one that has us winning, not the failed vision of Jerry Krause and his Eddie Robinson.

People are all in love with Krause because he gave us Curry and Chandler. Are you all forgetting who he dealt to get the pick to acquire Chandler? If we still have Brand, we're ten times better than we ever would have been with Chandler!
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 04:41 AM) *
Cast your mind back to the 04/05 season and you’ll see that Eddy only played 63 games that year and no playoff games. This was because he was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat also known as an arrhythmia. I don’t know if you are familiar with Reggie Lewis but he was a Boston Celtic player who had similar heart problems to Eddy, was cleared to play by a doctor, and at age 27 dropped dead on a practice court in the 1993 off-season. Consequently afterward there was a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his doctor, Dr Gilbert Mudge. Mudge defended his decision to let Lewis play citing that Lewis came to him in 1993 seeking a second opinion after the Celtics' "Dream Team" of doctors said he had a potentially fatal heart ailment that threatened his playing career.
Sound familiar????
There are doctors out there who can be bought for the right price and NBA teams sure have enough cash to throw around. Look at the Knicks payroll for Christ sake!!! You really think that that snake Isaiah Thomas gives a crap about his player’s well beings??? Think again....

Knowing that Eddy was experiencing heart problems Pax was weary about letting Eddy play without knowing for certain that his life was not at risk. I don’t know about you but that says something to me about Pax's relationship to his players. He put Eddy's safety before the team and asked Curry to take a DNA test to ensure Eddy was physically fit enough to play. If you go to any business in the world you'll see similar evaluations or tests of an employees ability to perform basic job tasks. This was no different but Eddy, fearing that he was going to fail, (Why would he be scared of something if it wasn’t true??????) opted not to take the test and left Pax with a decision.
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.


The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 9 2007, 12:13 PM) *
The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.


I don't see where that is stepping over the line. They were about to invest a very large sum of money in this guy, knowing whether or not he was going to drop dead seems like it'd be something pretty important to know before signing it. Even if it wasn't life-threatening, you're still depending heavily on his health. If someone has a knee surgery teams are going to look at it fairly extensively before committing to that player, I don't really see this as being that different. The only problem was that the Knicks were desperate enough to take him regardless.

Look at it from Pax's angle: would you take that risk, especially on a guy that is less than an elite player? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were GM. Whether he did it because he cared or because didn't want to take the risk doesn't really play into it in my opinion.
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Good points by all. Like I said, I never wanted Eddy to go, but I understood why he had to go. But looking back now, it turns out that Eddy was just fine. Has he had one issue with his heart the last two years? Now, because we haven't had anything remotely close to a post-scorer since we traded Eddy, we're more than likely gonna have to trade two of Hinrich/Deng/Gordon to get one. And we can forget about the Knicks pick this year netting us anything close to an impact big. At this point, I'm not sure the Knicks will not make the playoffs.
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:18 PM) *
If we have those two, we are easily the Best team in the East right now. Krause had a vision. Paxon blew it up.

You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.
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These player moves are always hard to swallow, Brand, Chandler, Curry, Smith.

Now the only saving grace to these recent deals is that the Bulls are not done dealing. They still have picks remaining from these deals that they can use or package to acquire other players. Who knows, after the PJ Brown salary dump the Bulls might be able to bring in another impact FA.

It is unfortunate how things turned out, but getting 2 First Round picks for Curry to include other players was huge. The Chandler move wasn't as big and like others have said was mainly a salary dump, though letting Smith go for so little was a wasted opportunity. The Bulls also made the draft day swap of Aldridge as well, so you can include him in the lost category, even though he never played for the Bulls.

At this point the Bulls seem to be a little bit on the negative side of these deals, but that can easily change within the next year or two with the right moves.
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Ill never really regret it, who knows if we could have kept brand. Curry has the heart things. Tyson, at the time, everybody seemed to want him to go.

And J.R. Smith is not really exactly what we need.

I like how our team is now, with a move for Gasol, id love our team. Just gotta see what happens in the years.
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 9 2007, 12:13 PM) *
The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.


If it was truly all about money as you say then why did the Bulls offer Eddy a compensation package worth 30 million over 30 years if his DNA test results deemed him no longer able to play? Isn't 60 million for 5 years of work a better business transaction than 30 million stretched over 30 years for nothing in exchange? Yes, there were privacy issues involved but this is an athlete were talking about who's health is a huge part of his job so I think the Bulls or any team looking to invest in him really have the right to know. That doesnt mean they didnt care about him personally.
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 02:41 AM) *
Cast your mind back to the 04/05 season and you’ll see that Eddy only played 63 games that year and no playoff games. This was because he was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat also known as an arrhythmia. I don’t know if you are familiar with Reggie Lewis but he was a Boston Celtic player who had similar heart problems to Eddy, was cleared to play by a doctor, and at age 27 dropped dead on a practice court in the 1993 off-season. Consequently afterward there was a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his doctor, Dr Gilbert Mudge. Mudge defended his decision to let Lewis play citing that Lewis came to him in 1993 seeking a second opinion after the Celtics' "Dream Team" of doctors said he had a potentially fatal heart ailment that threatened his playing career.
Sound familiar????
There are doctors out there who can be bought for the right price and NBA teams sure have enough cash to throw around. Look at the Knicks payroll for Christ sake!!! You really think that that snake Isaiah Thomas gives a crap about his player’s well beings??? Think again....

Knowing that Eddy was experiencing heart problems Pax was weary about letting Eddy play without knowing for certain that his life was not at risk. I don’t know about you but that says something to me about Pax's relationship to his players. He put Eddy's safety before the team and asked Curry to take a DNA test to ensure Eddy was physically fit enough to play. If you go to any business in the world you'll see similar evaluations or tests of an employees ability to perform basic job tasks. This was no different but Eddy, fearing that he was going to fail, (Why would he be scared of something if it wasn’t true??????) opted not to take the test and left Pax with a decision.
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.

Post of the week. You summed it up brilliantly and its decisions like that that make me very proud to be a Bulls fan. This squad doesn't put up with primadonna's and they think about there players well being before wins. I think that type of attitude will lead to long term success and titles.
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Chandler with another big game... 15 points and 16 rebounds... thanks for screwing us for life paxson
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post Feb 10 2007, 10:32 PM
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I would of loved if we had Curry still. That season seemed like everything was starting to fit together, if it wasnt for that damn irregular heart beat. We almost beat another playoff team minus 2 of our starters that season, I thought the possibilities were endless.
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post Feb 11 2007, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Feb 8 2007, 11:50 PM) *
Theres also addition by subtraction with Wallace, like Vinateiri and the Colts. We took the heart and soul from the perennial best team in the east.


The funny thing about Detroit is that we take away Wallace, and they are still in first place in the conference (by 2.5 games).

So I don't know how much of a subtraction it really was.
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 10:52 PM) *
If it was truly all about money as you say then why did the Bulls offer Eddy a compensation package worth 30 million over 30 years if his DNA test results deemed him no longer able to play? Isn't 60 million for 5 years of work a better business transaction than 30 million stretched over 30 years for nothing in exchange? Yes, there were privacy issues involved but this is an athlete were talking about who's health is a huge part of his job so I think the Bulls or any team looking to invest in him really have the right to know. That doesnt mean they didnt care about him personally.

Why? So Paxson and Reinsdorf don't look bad in the papers. It was PR posturing to make the Bulls look good and make Curry look like the typical greedy NBA player.

With the amount of money we are talking about, 30 million dollors of 30 years is peanuts. The key point is that it is spread out over 30 years. AND THE PRIVACY ISSUE HERE IS HUGE! I don't care if he is an athlete. As an athlete the Bulls should have access to his health, but not his genetic make up. Would you be cool with your employer checking your DNA to see if you are more prone to alcoholism? Or your insurance company denying you coverage because you have a gene that makes you more prone to diabetes? How 'bout the police rounding you up as a suspect in a rape case because you have a series of genes that generally lead to super agreassive behavior?

I'm not saying Pax was wrong for trading Curry... Curry was a huge risk and the two picks might turn out to be much better then Curry will ever be.... but I think he has no right to ask for the DNA test huh.gif
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 9 2007, 04:51 PM) *
You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.


Oh come on... we are talking about two young players. Curry went to New York and was terrible for a year. Now he learning to be more aggressive and take over games... he is good because he is maturing and playing smarter... not because of his area code. and Chandler is being encouraged to be a little more aggresive offensively by his coach, but his numbers are right where they would be projected to be if he got more minutes in chicago.

There is no reason why they couldn't be good in Chicago.
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post Feb 11 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 11 2007, 11:58 AM) *
Why? So Paxson and Reinsdorf don't look bad in the papers. It was PR posturing to make the Bulls look good and make Curry look like the typical greedy NBA player.

With the amount of money we are talking about, 30 million dollors of 30 years is peanuts. The key point is that it is spread out over 30 years. AND THE PRIVACY ISSUE HERE IS HUGE! I don't care if he is an athlete. As an athlete the Bulls should have access to his health, but not his genetic make up. Would you be cool with your employer checking your DNA to see if you are more prone to alcoholism? Or your insurance company denying you coverage because you have a gene that makes you more prone to diabetes? How 'bout the police rounding you up as a suspect in a rape case because you have a series of genes that generally lead to super agreassive behavior?

I'm not saying Pax was wrong for trading Curry... Curry was a huge risk and the two picks might turn out to be much better then Curry will ever be.... but I think he has no right to ask for the DNA test huh.gif


All I can say is... OWNAGE.

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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 9 2007, 04:51 PM) *
You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.


Both of them were only 22 years old. That would make them ROOKIES in the NBA if they went to school for 4 years... Look at them now, 2 years later. Curry = 20 and 7 every night. Chandler 8 and 12 every night.. I'd take that over Wallace and PJ's production combined any day of the week. And as for Curry's defense if you remember he and Chandler complimented each other very well in that regard. Paxson and Skiles needs to be fired.
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 11 2007, 01:59 PM) *
All I can say is... OWNAGE.

Excellent post. notworthy.gif
Both of them were only 22 years old. That would make them ROOKIES in the NBA if they went to school for 4 years... Look at them now, 2 years later. Curry = 20 and 7 every night. Chandler 8 and 12 every night.. I'd take that over Wallace and PJ's production combined any day of the week. And as for Curry's defense if you remember he and Chandler complimented each other very well in that regard. Paxson and Skiles needs to be fired.


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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 11 2007, 01:59 PM) *
All I can say is... OWNAGE.

Excellent post. notworthy.gif


I think you misunderstood me... I'm not saying he shouldn't have made the trade (I think it is still up in the air), just that he shouldn't have demanded the dna test.
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 11 2007, 05:18 PM) *
I think you misunderstood me... I'm not saying he shouldn't have made the trade (I think it is still up in the air), just that he shouldn't have demanded the dna test.


Employers check their employee backrounds all of the time. In a day and age where employers get sued when employees die on their watch, its not a crazy thing to ask for at all. Stop and think for a second where Eddy refuses to get this test done, and in the middle of the season, his heart gives out and he drops dead, then what? Do you really not believe that the estate wouldn't sue the Bulls for neglect? The Bulls even went out of their way by offering the $30 million if the test ended up revealing the worst. The Bulls have gone out of their way to look after their players in the past (think JWilliams getting a settlement instead of a contract termination like they should/could have, and JR advising both Pippen and Jordan that they would regret signing the long term contracts), and to me this doesn't look any different that.
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