Hmm.

or keep Gordon in.

take P.J. Brown out. we can't trade him anymore, he doesn't do much for us now.

i dont understand why tyrus didnt play more. he rocked the 1st quarter and was benched the rest of the game in place for pj brown who did absolutely nothing 2nd half.

gordon should be 6th man for sure.
and where was duhon this game wtf?

Who did ANYTHING in the 2nd half? What happened to the ball movement? What happened to the aggressiveness? What happened to the defense?

I would have liked to see Tyrus and Thano out there myself. Noch and PJ know how to drive me insane.

when noch hits he hits em all. this entire series hes been a joke idk why hes getting this much playing time. he got more than thabo and tyrus combined

You can't move the ball when your PG dribble all over the place and doesn't pass. Norm Van Leer even said that Captain Kirk needs to stop dribbling and keep the ball movement going. I think me and Norm see eye to eye on Captain Kirk. He plays just like Captain Hook, with Something missing from his game!

Don't let Ben off the hook on overdribbling either. Ben tried too much iso in the 2nd half and had a few turnovers on travels and botched dribbles. He was the main reason the Pistons started coming back. He was the 1st to over dribble, then the offense went stagnant. Blaming Kirk and Ben is different though. 95% of the time, when Ben overdribbles, its because he is trying to isolate. 95% of the time when Kirk overdribbles, it's because the offense is stagnant so he can't get the entirety of the blame.

Noch just kept missing shots.

He gets the ball and immediately puts it up or drives to the hoop. Too inconsistent on offense.

Not to mention he missed two key free throws that would have put us down 3 or 2 I believe.

I would have loved to see him on the bench but Skiles is just in love with his defense and he was grabbing some boards.

That's fine. You can keep your Kirk support up for the rest of your life. I really don't care if we trade Kirk and Ben in a package although I think Ben would be a better player if we had a real PG.

Who wouldn't stand around when you PG dribble the hell out of the ball and then shoots a 3. Kirk made the one 3 and got happy. Then missed his next 3 3's.

If Noc didn't launch 4 three's tonight, he would have had a decent stat line. He was 2/3 on shots that weren't 3's and he had ZERO turnovers.

You really need to change your line to "Kirk Hinrich is so F'in overrated"

What are you talking about? It's not Kirk support, I'm just trying to argue your hate for him. He damn near had a triple-double. 3 turnovers in 47 minutes, I'll take that most of the time. Besides, most of the time, Ben's buckets come from the pull-up in transition, or him creating a shot for himself. The rest of the time, he's hitting the jumper on the curl at the top of the key...guess who's feeding him those passes. Yeah, Kirk Hinrich.

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That makes even less sense. When Kirk overdribbles, it's not because he trying to create a shot for himself. It's because he is waiting for someone to come off a screen. When no one runs, he cant pass it, so what else does he have to do but dribble?