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post Feb 9 2007, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 04:41 AM) *
Cast your mind back to the 04/05 season and you’ll see that Eddy only played 63 games that year and no playoff games. This was because he was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat also known as an arrhythmia. I don’t know if you are familiar with Reggie Lewis but he was a Boston Celtic player who had similar heart problems to Eddy, was cleared to play by a doctor, and at age 27 dropped dead on a practice court in the 1993 off-season. Consequently afterward there was a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his doctor, Dr Gilbert Mudge. Mudge defended his decision to let Lewis play citing that Lewis came to him in 1993 seeking a second opinion after the Celtics' "Dream Team" of doctors said he had a potentially fatal heart ailment that threatened his playing career.
Sound familiar????
There are doctors out there who can be bought for the right price and NBA teams sure have enough cash to throw around. Look at the Knicks payroll for Christ sake!!! You really think that that snake Isaiah Thomas gives a crap about his player’s well beings??? Think again....

Knowing that Eddy was experiencing heart problems Pax was weary about letting Eddy play without knowing for certain that his life was not at risk. I don’t know about you but that says something to me about Pax's relationship to his players. He put Eddy's safety before the team and asked Curry to take a DNA test to ensure Eddy was physically fit enough to play. If you go to any business in the world you'll see similar evaluations or tests of an employees ability to perform basic job tasks. This was no different but Eddy, fearing that he was going to fail, (Why would he be scared of something if it wasn’t true??????) opted not to take the test and left Pax with a decision.
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.


The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.
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post Feb 9 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 9 2007, 12:13 PM) *
The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.


I don't see where that is stepping over the line. They were about to invest a very large sum of money in this guy, knowing whether or not he was going to drop dead seems like it'd be something pretty important to know before signing it. Even if it wasn't life-threatening, you're still depending heavily on his health. If someone has a knee surgery teams are going to look at it fairly extensively before committing to that player, I don't really see this as being that different. The only problem was that the Knicks were desperate enough to take him regardless.

Look at it from Pax's angle: would you take that risk, especially on a guy that is less than an elite player? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were GM. Whether he did it because he cared or because didn't want to take the risk doesn't really play into it in my opinion.
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:26 PM
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Good points by all. Like I said, I never wanted Eddy to go, but I understood why he had to go. But looking back now, it turns out that Eddy was just fine. Has he had one issue with his heart the last two years? Now, because we haven't had anything remotely close to a post-scorer since we traded Eddy, we're more than likely gonna have to trade two of Hinrich/Deng/Gordon to get one. And we can forget about the Knicks pick this year netting us anything close to an impact big. At this point, I'm not sure the Knicks will not make the playoffs.
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 8 2007, 10:18 PM) *
If we have those two, we are easily the Best team in the East right now. Krause had a vision. Paxon blew it up.

You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.
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post Feb 9 2007, 05:20 PM
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These player moves are always hard to swallow, Brand, Chandler, Curry, Smith.

Now the only saving grace to these recent deals is that the Bulls are not done dealing. They still have picks remaining from these deals that they can use or package to acquire other players. Who knows, after the PJ Brown salary dump the Bulls might be able to bring in another impact FA.

It is unfortunate how things turned out, but getting 2 First Round picks for Curry to include other players was huge. The Chandler move wasn't as big and like others have said was mainly a salary dump, though letting Smith go for so little was a wasted opportunity. The Bulls also made the draft day swap of Aldridge as well, so you can include him in the lost category, even though he never played for the Bulls.

At this point the Bulls seem to be a little bit on the negative side of these deals, but that can easily change within the next year or two with the right moves.
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post Feb 9 2007, 05:57 PM
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Ill never really regret it, who knows if we could have kept brand. Curry has the heart things. Tyson, at the time, everybody seemed to want him to go.

And J.R. Smith is not really exactly what we need.

I like how our team is now, with a move for Gasol, id love our team. Just gotta see what happens in the years.
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post Feb 9 2007, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 9 2007, 12:13 PM) *
The issue never was wether or not Eddy would take the test. The issue was whether or not the Bulls would be privy to the results. Don't kid yourself into thinking they were worried about Eddy... Pax couldn't insure his contract and they were worried abound sending checks that total 60 million dollars to his estate over the next 5 years.

This was an example of an employer trying to step way over the line, and crap all over his privacy. Kudos to Eddy for tellling him to go screw himself.


If it was truly all about money as you say then why did the Bulls offer Eddy a compensation package worth 30 million over 30 years if his DNA test results deemed him no longer able to play? Isn't 60 million for 5 years of work a better business transaction than 30 million stretched over 30 years for nothing in exchange? Yes, there were privacy issues involved but this is an athlete were talking about who's health is a huge part of his job so I think the Bulls or any team looking to invest in him really have the right to know. That doesnt mean they didnt care about him personally.
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post Feb 10 2007, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 02:41 AM) *
Cast your mind back to the 04/05 season and you’ll see that Eddy only played 63 games that year and no playoff games. This was because he was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat also known as an arrhythmia. I don’t know if you are familiar with Reggie Lewis but he was a Boston Celtic player who had similar heart problems to Eddy, was cleared to play by a doctor, and at age 27 dropped dead on a practice court in the 1993 off-season. Consequently afterward there was a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his doctor, Dr Gilbert Mudge. Mudge defended his decision to let Lewis play citing that Lewis came to him in 1993 seeking a second opinion after the Celtics' "Dream Team" of doctors said he had a potentially fatal heart ailment that threatened his playing career.
Sound familiar????
There are doctors out there who can be bought for the right price and NBA teams sure have enough cash to throw around. Look at the Knicks payroll for Christ sake!!! You really think that that snake Isaiah Thomas gives a crap about his player’s well beings??? Think again....

Knowing that Eddy was experiencing heart problems Pax was weary about letting Eddy play without knowing for certain that his life was not at risk. I don’t know about you but that says something to me about Pax's relationship to his players. He put Eddy's safety before the team and asked Curry to take a DNA test to ensure Eddy was physically fit enough to play. If you go to any business in the world you'll see similar evaluations or tests of an employees ability to perform basic job tasks. This was no different but Eddy, fearing that he was going to fail, (Why would he be scared of something if it wasn’t true??????) opted not to take the test and left Pax with a decision.
Do I sign him, which is great for business, and risk his well being or do I let him go and know in my heart that I’m not the one responsible if he dies on the court. Pax made the right choice, the choice that I would hope all of us would make in the same situation. People come first.
So dont blame Pax, blame Eddy...he put his wealth before his health and that is the real reason why hes no longer a Bull.

Post of the week. You summed it up brilliantly and its decisions like that that make me very proud to be a Bulls fan. This squad doesn't put up with primadonna's and they think about there players well being before wins. I think that type of attitude will lead to long term success and titles.
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post Feb 10 2007, 09:32 PM
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Chandler with another big game... 15 points and 16 rebounds... thanks for screwing us for life paxson
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post Feb 10 2007, 10:32 PM
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I would of loved if we had Curry still. That season seemed like everything was starting to fit together, if it wasnt for that damn irregular heart beat. We almost beat another playoff team minus 2 of our starters that season, I thought the possibilities were endless.
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post Feb 11 2007, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Feb 8 2007, 11:50 PM) *
Theres also addition by subtraction with Wallace, like Vinateiri and the Colts. We took the heart and soul from the perennial best team in the east.


The funny thing about Detroit is that we take away Wallace, and they are still in first place in the conference (by 2.5 games).

So I don't know how much of a subtraction it really was.
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post Feb 11 2007, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (truthandbasketball @ Feb 9 2007, 10:52 PM) *
If it was truly all about money as you say then why did the Bulls offer Eddy a compensation package worth 30 million over 30 years if his DNA test results deemed him no longer able to play? Isn't 60 million for 5 years of work a better business transaction than 30 million stretched over 30 years for nothing in exchange? Yes, there were privacy issues involved but this is an athlete were talking about who's health is a huge part of his job so I think the Bulls or any team looking to invest in him really have the right to know. That doesnt mean they didnt care about him personally.

Why? So Paxson and Reinsdorf don't look bad in the papers. It was PR posturing to make the Bulls look good and make Curry look like the typical greedy NBA player.

With the amount of money we are talking about, 30 million dollors of 30 years is peanuts. The key point is that it is spread out over 30 years. AND THE PRIVACY ISSUE HERE IS HUGE! I don't care if he is an athlete. As an athlete the Bulls should have access to his health, but not his genetic make up. Would you be cool with your employer checking your DNA to see if you are more prone to alcoholism? Or your insurance company denying you coverage because you have a gene that makes you more prone to diabetes? How 'bout the police rounding you up as a suspect in a rape case because you have a series of genes that generally lead to super agreassive behavior?

I'm not saying Pax was wrong for trading Curry... Curry was a huge risk and the two picks might turn out to be much better then Curry will ever be.... but I think he has no right to ask for the DNA test huh.gif
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 9 2007, 04:51 PM) *
You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.


Oh come on... we are talking about two young players. Curry went to New York and was terrible for a year. Now he learning to be more aggressive and take over games... he is good because he is maturing and playing smarter... not because of his area code. and Chandler is being encouraged to be a little more aggresive offensively by his coach, but his numbers are right where they would be projected to be if he got more minutes in chicago.

There is no reason why they couldn't be good in Chicago.
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post Feb 11 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (TeaLeafReaderII @ Feb 11 2007, 11:58 AM) *
Why? So Paxson and Reinsdorf don't look bad in the papers. It was PR posturing to make the Bulls look good and make Curry look like the typical greedy NBA player.

With the amount of money we are talking about, 30 million dollors of 30 years is peanuts. The key point is that it is spread out over 30 years. AND THE PRIVACY ISSUE HERE IS HUGE! I don't care if he is an athlete. As an athlete the Bulls should have access to his health, but not his genetic make up. Would you be cool with your employer checking your DNA to see if you are more prone to alcoholism? Or your insurance company denying you coverage because you have a gene that makes you more prone to diabetes? How 'bout the police rounding you up as a suspect in a rape case because you have a series of genes that generally lead to super agreassive behavior?

I'm not saying Pax was wrong for trading Curry... Curry was a huge risk and the two picks might turn out to be much better then Curry will ever be.... but I think he has no right to ask for the DNA test huh.gif


All I can say is... OWNAGE.

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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 9 2007, 04:51 PM) *
You obviously aren't taking into consideration the change of scenery. We had these players and they were not good. They went to places where they can be good.


Both of them were only 22 years old. That would make them ROOKIES in the NBA if they went to school for 4 years... Look at them now, 2 years later. Curry = 20 and 7 every night. Chandler 8 and 12 every night.. I'd take that over Wallace and PJ's production combined any day of the week. And as for Curry's defense if you remember he and Chandler complimented each other very well in that regard. Paxson and Skiles needs to be fired.
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post Feb 11 2007, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Jordan @ Feb 11 2007, 01:59 PM) *
All I can say is... OWNAGE.

Excellent post. notworthy.gif
Both of them were only 22 years old. That would make them ROOKIES in the NBA if they went to school for 4 years... Look at them now, 2 years later. Curry = 20 and 7 every night. Chandler 8 and 12 every night.. I'd take that over Wallace and PJ's production combined any day of the week. And as for Curry's defense if you remember he and Chandler complimented each other very well in that regard. Paxson and Skiles needs to be fired.


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