I've been pretty happy with Pax moves. But, not for signing Griffin and trading Smith.

Sure this is a valid point. Smith, during his tenure with NO/OK, represented everything that is wrong with young players in the NBA. But I thought that being traded by a mediocre team after sitting on the bench for half of his second season may have been enough to give Smith a good kick in the ass and change his ways.

And even if this didn't prove to be true, he still seemed coveted enough to garner more than 2 second round picks. He was a very valuable trading chip. The dumping of such a valuable chip signals to me Pax is, regrettably, done with trades.

whats the chances he was gonna play though? Now that we got giffen. Even though JR is better but paxson knows what hes doing

Welcome aboard . Its great to have another Bulls fan here.

I think you were thinking the same way I was about Smith coming over to a contender and improving his attitude and work ethic. My guess is after talking with Smith Pax either felt taht wouldn't happen or he still wasn't convinced, especially when he was figuring that Smith wouldn't be getting many minutes which is something Smith has openly complained about when he was with the Hornets.

In terms of value, obviously we value him a lot, but its not like Pax went out and turned down 1st round picks so he could get Smith, so this must have been the best deal on the table at the time.

We all think that he's more valuable, but don't you think paxson got as much as he could for him?

Would he have really turned down a better offer if it existed? DOn't you think he's been looking for a while now?

A lot of teams may have been offering more talent in return, but it may be at the expense of bad contracts. Better to have a less "talented" player in Griffin as opposed to JR if it increases our ability to resign our core AND improves our chemistry and leadership.

And whoever was talking about having a 10th man who embraces his role instead of complaining that he should be starting, that was a very very important point.

He played significant minutes on the 2nd best team in the NBA...Obviously Avery Johnson liked him a lot too.

pax already showed with the chandler trade that he'll pass up a better trade for the right one. good move by pax getting rid of the diva...

no...

anyone his size and age that shoots 37 % from behind the arc has a lot of potential. The dunks just prove he has potential to have an Inside and outside game.

Even if we did not play him 1 minute this year, I would have liked to keep him. He is worth a lot more than 2 2nd rd picks that really have little shot to amount to anything.

We seen what Tim Thomas did for Phoenix in the postseason. This move was uncalled for. We did not even give the kid a shot. The least we could have done is take a look at him. Sometimes a change of scenery is all that is needed.

We wouldn't have Sef without that 2nd rounder we traded.

2nd rounders are real valuable to move up a few spots in the mid-late 1st round.

I predict this thread will be dug up in a couple years to show how ridiculous this trade was.


We can get 2nd rounders WITHOUT trading an explosive 20 year old with a perfect frame and an outside game.

There is a reason this guy has not been shopped for a long long time and the Hornets did not get any good offers in return. There is a reason that no one was beating down Pax's door for this guy.

There is a reason why Darko never got PT in Detroit. Or why Jermaine Oneal never did in Portland, right?

Yes there is a reason Darko never got PT in Detroit, because Larry Brown doesn't play rookies and the Pistons were a deep team loaded with vets.

Did JO refuse to play in the summer league and not get along with a players coach?

By the way, where the hell is JR Smith supposed to get minutes on this team?

Thats where you are wrong. Smiths selfishness, immaturity, and hardheadedness put him on the bench his sophomore year. His rookie year, he got plenty of minutes.

Jeez, Rememberthe90's was right, everyone fell in love with Smith after watching a video of him dunking all the time. Adrian Griffin is a proven commodity in the NBA and starte 40+ games for a team that went to the NBA Finals. He's a Skiles type player and played well when he was with the Bulls a year ago. I'd take the guy who know's the system and gets the job done over the guy who has tons of potential.

I could give a crap about the You tube video. I talked about his oustide game in 2 posts alread. You're not hard of seeing are you? Before we all anoint Byron Scott as the good guy in situations we don't really know about, all I wanted was to give the kid a chance. He is a kid. 20 years old. Their is a reason why they have an age limit now. People deserve a shot to mature. Tmac and Kobe wern't exactly the most mature players either when they were 18-19 years old. We have a very positive locker room. One 20 year old will not change that. If he was affecting the team, ship him out. He deserved a shot. I like Paxsons sell High/Buy Low mentality that will get us far. Who ever said he needs to stay away from his brother, hit the nail right on the head.