Chris Wilcox, anything new? Options

[Bullseye]

Has there been any new news about Wilcox and what might happen? I really hope we can get him at a reasonable price. He would really help out our low post scoring.

[JPargo]

there was a rumor like a week ago that The sonics were gonna trade him to poenix for Marion.

[ZoomSlowik]

there was a rumor like a week ago that The sonics were gonna trade him to poenix for Marion.

That would be really stupid. Plus to the best of my knowledge, that was what Seattle was asking for, not a rumored deal.

[Chisoxfn]

Seattle is in an odd situation since they have ownership questions (team trying to be sold) and Wilcox probably doesn't want to stay. That said they can match any deal and wll obviously want some talent in return if a sign and trade is down.

You'd have to think they'd be interested in young talent and the Bulls do have some guys that they could offer, but salary wise its gonna be a tough squeeze.

[hammerhead johns...]

I think that Wilcox will be the first PF since Barkley to shoot 60% in a season. He is that good on offense.

Unfortunately, he is not a hard worker on the glass, and he is a major defensive liablility.

I mean, you want to talk about extreme highs and extreme lows? Wilcox is your man.

He wants 10 million per year, but he's really only worth 6 or 7 at the most, despite the scoring upside.

He's not a championship piece, so you don't spend upwards of 10 million on him. That would be an NY Knicks move.

[eddog2]

I think that Wilcox will be the first PF since Barkley to shoot 60% in a season. He is that good on offense.

Unfortunately, he is not a hard worker on the glass, and he is a major defensive liablility.

I mean, you want to talk about extreme highs and extreme lows? Wilcox is your man.

He wants 10 million per year, but he's really only worth 6 or 7 at the most, despite the scoring upside.

He's not a championship piece, so you don't spend upwards of 10 million on him. That would be an NY Knicks move.

Not a good rebounder? 8.2 boards in 30.1 minutes per game. Seems pretty efficient to me. When did he ever get enough PT to be show his rebounding skills? Ranked 55th in rebounds per 48 minutes. And that list contained about 18 people who played less then 10minutes per game. So that means that right now he is roughly the 37th best rebounder in the league (at age 24 might I add).

Team him up with Wallace who was 16th (really 8th if you take out the other scrubs) and you have to of the best rebounders fetching down balls.

Tyson Chandler was forth on the list by the way. (for everyone that hates Chandler)

Not only that but I think your comment about Wilcox's offense is correct as well and he could very well shoot 60%. He was 59.2% last year with Seattle 57% for the season. For players that played at least 50 games only 7 people were higher then him. 7 people. Of those only Shaq averaged more points.

So you are getting a top 40 rebounder and a top 10 shooter. What more do the Bulls want. Pay the guy $8 million (which is more then Seattle is willing to pay) and get it over with. Not only are you getting a great player but in the long run it will take the sour taste out of our mouths for losing Elton Brand.

[Iguana]

Can Wilcox just not sign and force the Blazers to trade him so they get any sort of value for him? Say he just sits out until he's traded. can he do that?

[Bullseye]

what do you guys think about possibly trading Nocioni for him? too much?

[sport1016]

Noc isn't enough. Not in terms of talent per se, but in terms of salary.

We dont have much cap room. I read today that we front loaded ben's contract so that we would have more room later to sign our guys and to make him more tradeable should it come to that in his later years. We don't have enough rooom to even pursue songalia.

That means we can't send less back and absorb some of the salary he wants, so we'd have to make the salaries going both ways pretty even.

That would mean noc and a few more pieces. I don't know if wilcox is worth that, especially bc he is likely to sign a 1 yr tender offer and we could get him next year after he has had a whole season to show his worth.

[Bullseye]

Noc isn't enough.  Not in terms of talent per se, but in terms of salary.

We dont have much cap room.  I read today that we front loaded ben's contract so that we would have more room later to sign our guys and to make him more tradeable should it come to that in his later years. We don't have enough rooom to even pursue songalia. 

That means we can't send less back and absorb some of the salary he wants, so we'd have to make the salaries going both ways pretty even. 

That would mean noc and a few more pieces.  I don't know if wilcox is worth that, especially bc he is likely to sign a 1 yr tender offer and we could get him next year after he has had a whole season to show his worth.

well, we could always get cash in return from a deal.

These are some of our expandable players...

PLAYER.............SALARY
Viktor Khryapa - $1,172,400
Malik Allen - $1,803,600
Michael Sweetney - $2,696,956
Chris Duhon - $3,024,000
Andres Nocioni - $3,030,000

Now, I was thinking something like Andres Nocioni and Michael Sweetney for Chris Wilcox and some cash considerations. Lets say we sign Wilcox for 6 years 48 million. That is 8 million a year. Nocioni and Sweetney's contracts combined is $5,726,956. With the cash considerations we would get, we would be able to sign Wilcox.

Then to free up some more room, we could just maybe trade Duhon for a draft pick, and trade or release Allen. Our team could look something like this...

C: Wallace | Brown
PF: Wilcox | Brown | Thomas
SF: Deng | Khryapa | Shefolosha | Thomas
SG: Gordon | Smith | Shefolosha
PG: Hinrich | Gordon | Shefolosha | Miles/Banks

and the final spot could be anyone.

[72-10]

Am I really theo nly one who feels Noc should be untouchable? I feel like he's such a great player. he scores very decently...but he fits perfectly into our now even more (with Wallace) hard-nosed defensive style. he causes a lot of problems for players even when hes nto scoring. Anyone else a huge Noc fan?

[Bullseye]

Am I really theo nly one who feels Noc should be untouchable? I feel like he's such a great player. he scores very decently...but he fits perfectly into our now even more (with Wallace) hard-nosed defensive style. he causes a lot of problems for players even when hes nto scoring. Anyone else a huge Noc fan?

I am a big noc fan also, but I am a bigger Deng fan, and I think Deng should get the majority of minutes.

[sport1016]

C: Wallace | Brown
PF: Wilcox | Brown | Thomas
SF: Deng | Khryapa | Shefolosha | Thomas
SG: Gordon | Smith | Shefolosha
PG: Hinrich | Gordon | Shefolosha | Miles/Banks

Where's our depth? Great starting 5, but we are a little shallow at sf and real shallow at pg. Right now our team has 10 guys that could be starting for plenty of NBA teams. Depth is key for long playoff runs. Look at detroit. They basically played 7 guys last year and at the end of the playoffs when the starters ran out of gas they had no one who could step up.

I love being a deep team. Let's wait for wilcox to sign his one year tender and see if he is worth that $ over the course of the year. We could be at the top of his list next year as he'd make us contenders and he'll be unrestricted, so we could give up nothing.

[eddog2]

Where's our depth?  Great starting 5, but we are a little shallow at sf and real shallow at pg.  Right now our team has 10 guys that could be starting for plenty of NBA teams.  Depth is key for long playoff runs.  Look at detroit.  They basically played 7 guys last year and at  the end of the playoffs when the starters ran out of gas they had no one who could step up. 

I love being a deep team.  Let's wait for wilcox to sign his one year tender and see if he is worth that $ over the course of the year.  We could be at the top of his list next year as he'd make us contenders and he'll be unrestricted, so we could give up nothing.

Did you forget about Nocioni at SF/PF.

How are we a little shallow at SF. We have more depth at SF then virtually any team.

And if Wilcox has a good year which he will unless there is a fight b/t him and the team then he will cost more then $10 million next year and we won't have a shot to get him. I would really make a push to get him at $8 million long term as oppossed to waiting. You can always find a team to take an $8 million dollar contract off your hands if it doesn't work out.

[hammerhead johns...]

Not a good rebounder? 8.2 boards in 30.1 minutes per game. Seems pretty efficient to me. When did he ever get enough PT to be show his rebounding skills? Ranked 55th in rebounds per 48 minutes. And that list contained about 18 people who played less then 10minutes per game. So that means that right now he is roughly the 37th best rebounder in the league (at age 24 might I add).

Have you ever seen Wilcox play? He is not willing to work hard on the glass. He doesn't have a knack for it, and he definitely doesn't have much interest in working hard for rebounds. Of course he's gonna be able to pad his stats a bit, as he is underneath the rim at all times, but rebounding is nowhere near his strength.