Gordon or Hinrich Options

[eddog2]

Who is more valuable Kirk or Ben. If we trade for Gasol and had to lose one of them who would you let go. Assume me keep Thabo & Deng.

[ZoomSlowik]

I made my stance known in the other thread.

[CryptViLL]

Hinrich.

[Chisoxfn]

Without a doubt Kirk Hinrich. With Gasol here we would be such a consistent and complete offense and Hinrich is one of the best defensive guards in the league and one of the better passing pg's in the league. I'd love to see what him run the offense do with a legit low post presence. I think he'd be our 3rd best scorer but you'd see his assist totals climb and our offensive efficiency increase by a lot.

In addition if we can get quality minutes out of Griff/Sef/Noc at the 2 we should see our defense greatly improve as well. Plus I think the ball movement would be so much more crisp with Gordon.

However, with Gordon gone we would have one weakness and that is a guy who can actually create his own offense (Hinrich would become the only player even remotedly capable of that and he isn't even in the same league w/BG in regards to that. I just think our consistency on offense and ball movement would outweight what we lost in BG.

[Balta1701-B]

Those were some big clutch 3's that Kirk hit last night down the stretch.

[TeaLeafReaderII]

Meh, it's easier to replace Kirks D with Du or Thabo. We have noone on the roster who could replace Gordon's offense.

[eddog2]

Those were some big clutch 3's that Kirk hit last night down the stretch.

That's what he gets paid to do. Hit wide open 3's. When the defense collapses on other players it should be easy to hit a wide open shot.

[Steve9347]

I voted Gordon, and I'll stick with Gordon.

[ZoomSlowik]

Meh, it's easier to replace Kirks D with Du or Thabo. We have noone on the roster who could replace Gordon's offense.

You're virtually replacing the scoring one-for-one in a trade for Gasol without even factoring in how much he would help our other guys, and adding size, rebounding, and defense as well. Last I checked Gasol can't handle the ball though.

That's what he gets paid to do. Hit wide open 3's. When the defense collapses on other players it should be easy to hit a wide open shot.

He gets paid to handle the ball and play defense, as well as score a little. Too bad we'd lose that last one in going from Hinrich to Duhon. Plus those kind of guys are important with a post presence like Gasol. We don't exactly have anyone consistently drawing double teams on the Bulls right now, we would in the deal.

[dasox24]

Let's get one thing straight about trading for Gasol: He's not going to give you much defense or rebounding. Yes, he may average 8 or so rebounds a game, but considering he'll be playing 40 min. or more every night, that's not all that great for a guy that's 7 ft. Basically, he gets the balls that come to him, but nothing else. He's not going to fight for any rebounds.

Plus, his defense is quite awful, which is something he's been constantly ripped for in Memphis for the last 3-4 years. That means that Big Ben will be worker harder than he is now trying to cover the inside b/c of Gasol and his lack of defense. Now, Gasol's saving grace is that he scores about 20 points per game, so what he usually gives up on defense, he gets back by scoring a lot on offense.

Anyway, just wanted to get all that out there about Gasol. As for the topic of this thread, I'd rather keep Gordon. I really think Duhon can handle the offense and provide good enough defense. Obviously not as well as Hinrich, but b/t him and Sef, I think they can get the job done.

If we were to keep BG, our only weakness would really be playing teams w/ big SG's, like the Lakers. Kirk does a tremendous job trying to guard guys like Kobe b/c Gordon just can't really. However, this would not be a problem once Thabo gets some more PT under his belt. I really think by this time next year, Thabo would be as good as Kirk defensively on those bigger guards, meaning losing Kirk would not hurt all that much.

[TeaLeafReaderII]

You're virtually replacing the scoring one-for-one in a trade for Gasol without even factoring in how much he would help our other guys, and adding size, rebounding, and defense as well. Last I checked Gasol can't handle the ball though.
He gets paid to handle the ball and play defense, as well as score a little. Too bad we'd lose that last one in going from Hinrich to Duhon. Plus those kind of guys are important with a post presence like Gasol. We don't exactly have anyone consistently drawing double teams on the Bulls right now, we would in the deal.

Are you confident Kirk will hit the wide open shot he gets from the double team on Gasol? Because I'm pretty sure gordon would.

[SoxFan1]

Are you confident Kirk will hit the wide open shot he gets from the double team on Gasol? Because I'm pretty sure gordon would.

I know I sure would be confident in Kirk, simply because Kirk was known for his 3pt abilities in college, and he's been pretty damn good at hitting them so far in the Pros.

Kirk is really underappreciated around here.

I'd easily trade Gordon over Kirk in a deal for Gasol/KG. You're replacing Gordon's scoring with the scoring of the acquisition, and on top of that, you're adding more rebounding, a low post scoring threat, a true go-to-guy, a consistent scorer, and with the double teams down low, they open up shots for Deng, Kirk, and Noc. At the same time, we give Big Ben more offensive rebound opportunities.

[DrunkBomber]

Meh, it's easier to replace Kirks D with Du or Thabo. We have noone on the roster who could replace Gordon's offense.

This is pretty much how I feel about it.

[ZoomSlowik]

Let's get one thing straight about trading for Gasol: He's not going to give you much defense or rebounding. Yes, he may average 8 or so rebounds a game, but considering he'll be playing 40 min. or more every night, that's not all that great for a guy that's 7 ft. Basically, he gets the balls that come to him, but nothing else. He's not going to fight for any rebounds.

Plus, his defense is quite awful, which is something he's been constantly ripped for in Memphis for the last 3-4 years. That means that Big Ben will be worker harder than he is now trying to cover the inside b/c of Gasol and his lack of defense. Now, Gasol's saving grace is that he scores about 20 points per game, so what he usually gives up on defense, he gets back by scoring a lot on offense.

That first part isn't really the case. He hasn't cracked 32 minutes per game in 3 of the last 4 years, which is when he averaged under 8 boards. When he averaged 36.7, 36, and 39.1 minutes in his 3 other years, he posted averages of 8.9, 8.7, and 8.9, which is pretty respectable.

No, he's not a defensive stopper, but he's not exactly a matador either. He's 7-feet tall and 260 pounds, which gives him an edge in the post over our other guys, and also blocks a fair number of shots.

Are you confident Kirk will hit the wide open shot he gets from the double team on Gasol? Because I'm pretty sure gordon would.

Yeah, I'm fairly confident, he's been a pretty good 3-point shooter throughout his career. Gordon has been a bit better before this year, but that wasn't my point, my point was that Duhon can't, and capable point guards that can shoot are fairly hard to find. We can find a decent 3-point shooting replacement at SG. As I've said before, either way we'd lose something of value.

[soxfan101]

I dont trade for Gasol, there you have it. Its not worth losing Deng or Gordon plus whatevr else they want.