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Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 07:49 PM

Bulls up 28 to 15 after a solid first quarter. Held NJ to 33% shooting, 4 blocked shots, Bulls shot 55%, Gordon 4-4, 3/3 from downtown.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 08:00 PM

In the 2nd quarter, the Bulls ran out a lineup of Duhon, Gordon, PJ Brown, Adrian Griffin, and Viktor Khryapa.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 08:25 PM

Live with Chris Webber now. He mentioned the Lakers, Heat, Magic, Mavericks, and 1 or 2 other teams.

Posted by: hinrich fan Jan 11 2007, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 11 2007, 08:18 PM) *
Live with Chris Webber now. He mentioned the Lakers, Heat, Magic, Mavericks, and 1 or 2 other teams.

I think he was on to something when he mentioned the LA Galaxy...I didn't like C-Web at Michigan...and sure don't care for him in da Pros.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 08:41 PM

Come on Kiddies, no 2nd half let down...

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 08:57 PM

You'vr got to be kidding me. 18 point lead down to 3. Ugh.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:00 PM

Its getting bad to see how many times the Bulls blow enormous leads in the 3rd quarter.

Posted by: hinrich fan Jan 11 2007, 09:08 PM

Outscored 26-16 in that 3rd quarter...I can hear Skiles now....Finish!

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 11 2007, 06:53 PM) *
Its getting bad to see how many times the Bulls blow enormous leads in the 3rd quarter.

And as deep as this team is, you'd think that the 2nd half should be the Bulls' time. Beats the hell out of me.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:18 PM

Rally Gordon

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jan 11 2007, 09:02 PM) *
And as deep as this team is, you'd think that the 2nd half should be the Bulls' time. Beats the hell out of me.

the depth of the Bulls though is deceiving, its kind of like the depth of the NFC east

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:20 PM

Gordon is 8/11 from the field and 5/5 from Downtown.

Hinrich is 5/15 from the field and 1/6 from downtown.

Posted by: truthandbasketball Jan 11 2007, 09:24 PM

Victor just messed up Vince on defense....Bulls up 74-67, Cmon Chicago!!!! bullssmilie1.jpg bullssmilie1.jpg bullssmilie1.jpg

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:25 PM

What the hell is Deng shooting that for.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:27 PM

Down to a 1 point lead.

Argh this 2nd half stuff is making me sick..

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:32 PM

MOTHER freaking DAMNIT

I CANNOT STAND THIS TEAM

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:34 PM

I think I could just bump my "Bulls fall apart against Nets" thread from last week and no one will know the difference.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:37 PM

Big possesion here

Again, Nocioni makes too crucial of mistakes late in the game

This literally makes me sick, just let Gordon handle the ball

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:40 PM

Gordon needs to be freaking handling the ball right now.

Hinrich comes up, deflates the ball by dribbling then bricks a jumper. I am sorry but this team is better with Hinrich on the bench...yep...I went there. (At least for the time being)

There is no freaking ball movement when he's playing point.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:41 PM

Nocioni=the cooler

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 07:33 PM) *
Gordon needs to be freaking handling the ball right now.

Hinrich comes up, deflates the ball by dribbling then bricks a jumper. I am sorry but this team is better with Hinrich on the bench...yep...I went there. (At least for the time being)

There is no freaking ball movement when he's playing point.

And yet, Hinrich has a double-double with 10 assists today.

He just needs to stop shooting the 3's when he's ice cold. Defer a little sonny boy, defer.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:45 PM

we have to be being punk'd right now

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:46 PM

Khryapa with one of the dumber plays you will see this year, what an idiot

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:46 PM

So the Bulls let the clock tick down from 51.2 to 27.4, and then they commit the foul?

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jan 11 2007, 09:37 PM) *
And yet, Hinrich has a double-double with 10 assists today.

He just needs to stop shooting the 3's when he's ice cold. Defer a little sonny boy, defer.

And yet he is shooting under 35% from the floor.

I understand he racks up assists but that still does not give justice to how poor the ball movement is right now.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:50 PM

This aughta be damned interesting

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:50 PM

Please for God's sake do not let Hinrich take the next shot...

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jan 11 2007, 09:43 PM) *
Please for God's sake do not let Hinrich take the next shot...

Draw up a 2 point shot for Kirk, Skiles.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:53 PM

I dont see why they dont take the chance on the three right there.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:44 PM) *
Draw up a 2 point shot for Kirk, Skiles.

You must be physcic

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:54 PM

By the way, Kidd with another triple-double tonight.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:54 PM

HAHAHHA HINRICH YOU MOTHER freaking BUM

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 11 2007, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 07:47 PM) *
HAHAHHA HINRICH YOU MOTHER freaking BUM

Told ya.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 09:54 PM

puke.gif puke.gif puke.gif puke.gif puke.gif

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 09:55 PM

He is hurting this freaking team right now, VERY BADLY.

Besides the fact that he ended up shooting a 2 pointer anyway.

GO HOME KIRK

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 09:57 PM

Unbelievable. This is probaby knee-jerk but something needs to be done in the form of a trade or a coaching change.

We've been outcoached a lot lately.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:50 PM) *
Unbelievable. This is probaby knee-jerk but something needs to be done in the form of a trade or a coaching change.

We've been outcoached a lot lately.

I now have no problem packaging Kirk for a star. Deng, Gordon, Noc stay, Kirk is now the movable one.

How does Ben Gordon get so few shot attempts in the 2nd half? What a joke.

Posted by: Jordan4life_2006 Jan 11 2007, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:53 PM) *
I now have no problem packaging Kirk for a star. Deng, Gordon, Noc stay, Kirk is now the movable one.

How does Ben Gordon get so few shot attempts in the 2nd half? What a joke.


Kirk has been sucking balls of late, but no way I trade him. He's nowhere near as bad as he's been playing.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:58 PM) *
Kirk has been sucking balls of late, but no way I trade him. He's nowhere near as bad as he's been playing.

If you had to move one of the "Big 4" who would you move?

Posted by: Jordan4life_2006 Jan 11 2007, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:59 PM) *
If you had to move one of the "Big 4" who would you move?


Nocioni. I wish we could move Ben's ass as well. He's barely worth half of what he's getting paid.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 11 2007, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 11 2007, 10:01 PM) *
Nocioni. I wish we could move Ben's ass as well. He's barely worth about half of what he's getting paid.

I wouldn't mind moving Noc but I would assume he is probably a tier below in the yes of other teams.

They will most likely demand one of Little Ben, Lu, and Kirk. Kirk is the weakest link there.

Posted by: The Dude Abides Jan 11 2007, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 11 2007, 10:50 PM) *
Unbelievable. This is probaby knee-jerk but something needs to be done in the form of a trade or a coaching change.

We've been outcoached a lot lately.


The last 5 mins of the game became the Hinrich dribble fest. How many times do we have to watch him turn the ball over, over dribble, take bad shots and not pass???
He is the point guard...He's not the go to guy-not even close! He needs to set up gordon, deng or Noch...not dribble for 18 seconds, then take a bad shot.

I also blame Skiles bc he should either set the play up and demand that Kirk pass the ball or he should pull him out of the game in favor of Duhon.

It's getting to the point where I think the team is better without hinrich on the floor...especially in clutch situations...Kirk tends to be more of a liability than a help.

QUOTE (Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 11 2007, 11:01 PM) *
Nocioni. I wish we could move Ben's ass as well. He's barely worth half of what he's getting paid.


No way I move Noch. Kirk is expendable. duhon can step in easily to the starting PG role. I think the team is run more efficiently when he is in there.

A Kirk Hinirch with some other throw in's could land us a big name low post threat.

Posted by: DrunkBomber Jan 11 2007, 10:17 PM

If they trade Gordon now theyre gonnalose games by 20 points every night. Theres nobody else on the team that can consistently score. Anybody else is ok though. Deng probably has a decent value right now.

Posted by: Jordan4life_2006 Jan 11 2007, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jan 11 2007, 10:09 PM) *
The last 5 mins of the game became the Hinrich dribble fest. How many times do we have to watch him turn the ball over, over dribble, take bad shots and not pass???
He is the point guard...He's not the go to guy-not even close! He needs to set up gordon, deng or Noch...not dribble for 18 seconds, then take a bad shot.

I also blame Skiles bc he should either set the play up and demand that Kirk pass the ball or he should pull him out of the game in favor of Duhon.

It's getting to the point where I think the team is better without hinrich on the floor...especially in clutch situations...Kirk tends to be more of a liability than a help.
No way I move Noch. Kirk is expendable. duhon can step in easily to the starting PG role. I think the team is run more efficiently when he is in there.

A Kirk Hinirch with some other throw in's could land us a big name low post threat.


Excuse me while I barf. Duhon belongs on the bench.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:53 PM) *
I now have no problem packaging Kirk for a star. Deng, Gordon, Noc stay, Kirk is now the movable one.

How does Ben Gordon get so few shot attempts in the 2nd half? What a joke.

Hinrich has stepped it up the last 2 games. It's not his fault the rest of the team stand stands behind the arc and is stagnant.


QUOTE (Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 11 2007, 10:01 PM) *
Nocioni. I wish we could move Ben's ass as well. He's barely worth half of what he's getting paid.

Agreed 100% on Noc.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 11 2007, 10:01 PM) *
I wouldn't mind moving Noc but I would assume he is probably a tier below in the yes of other teams.

They will most likely demand one of Little Ben, Lu, and Kirk. Kirk is the weakest link there.

We just re-signed him, he won't be going anywhere. He's had a rough patch and now you want to trade him? You're overreacting big time. Kirk had 19 points and 10 assists tonight. He had a poor shooting night but he's one of the only guys on the Bulls who can get to the line.

QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jan 11 2007, 10:09 PM) *
The last 5 mins of the game became the Hinrich dribble fest. How many times do we have to watch him turn the ball over, over dribble, take bad shots and not pass???
He is the point guard...He's not the go to guy-not even close! He needs to set up gordon, deng or Noch...not dribble for 18 seconds, then take a bad shot.

I also blame Skiles bc he should either set the play up and demand that Kirk pass the ball or he should pull him out of the game in favor of Duhon.

It's getting to the point where I think the team is better without hinrich on the floor...especially in clutch situations...Kirk tends to be more of a liability than a help.
No way I move Noch. Kirk is expendable. duhon can step in easily to the starting PG role. I think the team is run more efficiently when he is in there.

A Kirk Hinirch with some other throw in's could land us a big name low post threat.

You can't be serious. Again, Noc is the most expandable of the Big 4. Duhon is not ready to be a full-time point guard in the NBA. No way in hell anyone can complain about Hinrich's play lately in favor of Duhon. Duhon has looked like crap for a while now.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 11 2007, 10:10 PM) *
If they trade Gordon now theyre gonnalose games by 20 points every night. Theres nobody else on the team that can consistently score. Anybody else is ok though. Deng probably has a decent value right now.

Agreed for the most part. Ben is our only real scorer. You get rid of him, you get rid of a lot of offense and energy. Only way I trade Ben is if he is the main player dealt on our side and a big name low post scorer comes in return.

Posted by: The Dude Abides Jan 11 2007, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 11 2007, 11:12 PM) *
Excuse me while I barf. Duhon belongs on the bench.


wow...Duhon is a solid PG who would not dribble the ball in circles for the last 6 mins of the game then take a bad shot or turn it over. he understands what a pass is.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jan 11 2007, 10:19 PM) *
wow...Duhon is a solid PG who would not dribble the ball in circles for the last 6 mins of the game then take a bad shot or turn it over. he understands what a pass is.

Right, Kirk doesn't know how to pass. It's not like he had 10 assists tonight or anything. 4 points tonight for Duhon, 0-3 from the FT line. Solid.

Last 4 games for Duhon, 9 points total, 4-19 shooting, 1-12 from 3pt. Scorching.

Posted by: Jordan4life_2006 Jan 11 2007, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jan 11 2007, 10:19 PM) *
wow...Duhon is a solid PG who would not dribble the ball in circles for the last 6 mins of the game then take a bad shot or turn it over. he understands what a pass is.


You do realize that Duhon has played just as bad, if not worse, than Hinrich has lately? Check out some of these awful shooting performances: 2/9, 1/7, 0/9, 1/4, 0/3, 1/6, 2/6. That's his last seven games.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 11 2007, 10:32 PM

And you guys need to realize why Hinrich dribbles it so much in the 4th quarter. The offense becomes so stagnant waitign for something to happen that there is no movement off the ball. What else can he do when everyone is standing still being closely guarded?

Posted by: Tony82087 Jan 12 2007, 02:14 AM

SHOCKING LOSS tonight.

Hahaha.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 12 2007, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 11 2007, 10:19 PM) *
Hinrich has stepped it up the last 2 games.

hahahaha

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 12 2007, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 12 2007, 03:55 PM) *
hahahaha

You disagree?

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 12 2007, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 12 2007, 06:20 PM) *
You disagree?

He stepped up the another night, last night he fuckin sucked.

30% shooting, 1-8 from three, and a critically retarded fish up to end the game.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 12 2007, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 12 2007, 06:37 PM) *
He stepped up the another night, last night he fuckin sucked.

30% shooting, 1-8 from three, and a critically retarded fish up to end the game.

It's not his fault. Like I said, the offense was stagnant. You can't find anyone open if they don't move. His poort shooting came in the 3rd quarter for the most part. But the entire team came out flat in the 2nd half, so there's no reason to single him out.

19 points, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 2 steals, and 1 block...I'll take that every day of the week.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 12 2007, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 12 2007, 06:58 PM) *
19 points, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 2 steals, and 1 block...I'll take that every day of the week.

19 points is JACK spiff when you look how much he shot, that's pathetic.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 12 2007, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 12 2007, 05:36 PM) *
19 points is JACK spiff when you look how much he shot, that's pathetic.

Willie, you're right on 1 account...if he's a point guard and his shot isn't there, he needs to take some steps to try to break down the defense and pass out, finding shots for other people. The 10 assists are good. The 30% shooting is intolerable. If you're shooting 30%, and Gordon is shooting 70%, STOP SHOOTING AND CREATE A SHOT FOR BEN.

Posted by: WHarris1 Jan 12 2007, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jan 12 2007, 09:32 PM) *
Willie, you're right on 1 account...if he's a point guard and his shot isn't there, he needs to take some steps to try to break down the defense and pass out, finding shots for other people. The 10 assists are good. The 30% shooting is intolerable. If you're shooting 30%, and Gordon is shooting 70%, STOP SHOOTING AND CREATE A SHOT FOR BEN.

Exactly. While 30% is always bad, it is more tolerable for someones whose job is to score the ball. When you are responsible for setting up the offense you cannot be hoisting stupid deep bomb after stupid deep bomb.

Posted by: SoxFan1 Jan 13 2007, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 12 2007, 11:17 PM) *
Exactly. While 30% is always bad, it is more tolerable for someones whose job is to score the ball. When you are responsible for setting up the offense you cannot be hoisting stupid deep bomb after stupid deep bomb.

At the moment, this is his best season as far as 3pt% and FG%.

Posted by: Balta1701-B Jan 13 2007, 01:34 PM

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 12 2007, 10:43 PM) *
At the moment, this is his best season as far as 3pt% and FG%.

But also at this moment, this week or so has been the worst part of his season in terms of 3pt%age and FG %age.

If Kirk's shot is falling, I have no problem with him taking open shots that come to him. Even the best PG's in basketball know when to take a shot. But the problem with Kirk right now is...he's just not adapting at all to the fact that his shot isn't falling right now.

If you're a point guard, your job is to create points for your team. You can do this in 2 ways...your own shots, or setting up shots for others. If your shot isn't falling, you can't keep chucking up shots until you lose the game, you have to start pulling back and giving the ball up.

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