BULLS SIGN BEN WALLACE, ESPN.COM |
BULLS SIGN BEN WALLACE, ESPN.COM |
Jul 3 2006, 11:56 PM
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Bench Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 24 |
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 3 2006, 11:39 PM) You still didn't answer my question. Give me a realistic deal that is fair involving Tyson Chandler....in your opinion. Boozer would be fair, I never tried to refute that, the whole market thing I said is still true. Boozer has been hurt the past two seasons, and we would be trading a guy who can stick it on D and stay on the court for a guy who we know can score and has value there, but no one knows if he can stay on the court. It isnt a huge trade with the questions behind both, they are both low market commodities. I have a lot of experience watchng Troy Murphy, as one of my roomates here grew up in San Fran and is about as huge a basketball and GS fan as there is out there. I watch a lot of games with him, and I like Troy, and he can put it in the basket, the drawbacks are he cant play D and he's inconsistent on O. These trades dont bother me that much, they bring actual value in youth and performance with some drabacks, PJ isnt a shell of his former self and is done. There will always be these kind of deals for Tyson, but some think he will break his leg, or just fall on his back and lose all defensive value while getting worse on offense. IMHO, Tyson can only get better. |
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Jul 3 2006, 11:56 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 4 2006, 12:48 AM) BEN freaking WALLACE I concur. |
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Jul 3 2006, 11:58 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
QUOTE (HoofHearted @ Jul 4 2006, 12:49 AM) Boozer would be fair, I never tried to refute that, the whole market thing I said is still true. Boozer has been hurt the past two seasons, and we would be trading a guy who can stick it on D and stay on the court for a guy who we know can score and has value there, but no one knows if he can stay on the court. It isnt a huge trade with the questions behind both, they are both low market commodities. I have a lot of experience wathcing Troy Murphy, as one of my roomates here grew up in San Fran and is about as huge a basketball and GS fan out there. I watch a lot of games with him, and I like Troy, and he can put it in the basket, the drawbacks are he cant play D and he's inconsistent on O. These trades dont bother me that much, they bring actual value in youth and performance with some drabacks, PJ isnt a shell of his former self and is done. There will always be these kind of deals for Tyson, but some think he will break his leg, or just fall on his back and lose all defensive value while getting worse on offense. IMHO, Tyson can only get better. Chandler for Boozer...straight up...I'm doing that deal in 1/100th of a second. |
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Jul 3 2006, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (HoofHearted @ Jul 3 2006, 09:49 PM) Boozer would be fair, I never tried to refute that, the whole market thing I said is still true. Boozer has been hurt the past two seasons, and we would be trading a guy who can stick it on D and stay on the court for a guy who we know can score and has value there, but no one knows if he can stay on the court. It isnt a huge trade with the questions behind both, they are both low market commodities. I have a lot of experience wathcing Troy Murphy, as one of my roomates here grew up in San Fran and is about as huge a basketball and GS fan out there. I watch a lot of games with him, and I like Troy, and he can put it in the basket, the drawbacks are he cant play D and he's inconsistent on O. These trades dont bother me that much, they bring actual value in youth and performance with some drabacks, PJ isnt a shell of his former self and is done. There will always be these kind of deals for Tyson, but some think he will break his leg, or just fall on his back and lose all defensive value while getting worse on offense. IMHO, Tyson can only get better. I think you have a lot of valid points and your right PJ really isn't the scoring answer which does bring up some questions as to what value he'd really have (aside from vet leadership and I do think Ben Wall can do that; do we need more, sure it wouldn't hurt, but at the expense of someone who when packaged with the right pieces can get us something pretty valuable and more importantly someone that can put it in the basket) You may have convinced me, althoguh I do have faith in Pax and I think there has to be more to this (ie some other team wants Brown's expiring contract). |
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Jul 4 2006, 12:21 AM
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A very good Sam Smith article (shockingly) talking a lot about Wallace and the options. More importantly it seems like we front ended the contract so if we move Chandler it would obviously be to again lower salary because they want to make sure they are in a good spot where they aren't paying a ton to luxury tax.
QUOTE Wallace turns 32 on Sept. 10 and perhaps may not be worth an average $15 million deal in three years. But the Bulls clearly are taking a run now, and given their extensions coming up, the belief is the deal starts high, probably at close to $17 million, and declines through its life, probably down to about $12 million at the end. Plus you got to like what Wallace said to skiles: QUOTE He was engaging and even told Bulls coach Scott Skiles he desired a tougher brand of coaching. Skiles didn't seem to have a problem with that. The Bulls responded with an offer averaging close to $14 million per season. It seemed the limit. And more interesting things from the article: QUOTE So Detroit went in search of a sign-and-trade deal that could up the ante, knock out the rival Bulls and return a player to them. But Wallace was balking. He now wanted Chicago, but the $15 million figure was vital. That's where Reinsdorf stepped in with agent Arn Tellem, who was McGrady's agent back in 2000, and they agreed. Nothing against the other big-man free agents, but it was worth the price to get a difference-maker. QUOTE This time, acting with more commitment and an open wallet, the Bulls smothered the competition for Wallace and overwhelmed the Detroit offer. The Pistons on Monday tried last-minute attempts at a sign-and-trade with the Knicks and the 76ers, but Wallace rejected both opportunities to come to the Bulls. Nice to see that in the end, while the money was great (and we offered a ton) that he also wanted to come here. And I'm sure a lot of this is PR mumbo jumbo but he's gonna be loved in Chicago if he comes in and plays like he did in Detroit. |
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Jul 4 2006, 12:29 AM
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Someone on realgm made this...
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Jul 4 2006, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 3 2006, 11:51 PM) Chandler for Boozer...straight up...I'm doing that deal in 1/100th of a second. Seriously? Considering Boozers over paid contract, injury problems, attitude probelms and the what he pulled in cleveland? I think we can do better. |
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Jul 4 2006, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jul 4 2006, 01:31 AM) Seriously? Considering Boozers over paid contract, injury problems, attitude probelms and the what he pulled in cleveland? I think we can do better. Like what? You are overvaluing Chandler. Give me an example of a fair deal for Tyson, in your opinion... |
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Jul 4 2006, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (The Dude Abides @ Jul 3 2006, 10:31 PM) Seriously? Considering Boozers over paid contract, injury problems, attitude probelms and the what he pulled in cleveland? I think we can do better. If Boozer is healthy, that deal could put the Bulls over the top. If he isn't, that could turn into a horrid deal because Boozer has a horrid contract (just like Tys). |
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Jul 4 2006, 02:16 AM
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I read this and vomited in my throat a little... just what he needed another overpaid, undersized center who can't score... Jeez why can't be find a decent 7 foot center...
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Jul 4 2006, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (Jeckle2000 @ Jul 4 2006, 02:09 AM) I read this and vomited in my throat a little... just what he needed another overpaid, undersized center who can't score... Jeez why can't be find a decent 7 foot center... Replacing Tyson Chandler with Ben Wallace and getting P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith is an improvement. |
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Jul 4 2006, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 02:13 AM) and getting P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith is an improvement. No matter how many times you say this to try and convince yourself it's never going to be true. I want Tyson on this defensive team SOOOOOOOOOOOO badly, him and Ben can both put up ten a night for all I care, noone will be driving through our lane, especially no guards. |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (Jeckle2000 @ Jul 4 2006, 02:09 AM) I read this and vomited in my throat a little... just what he needed another overpaid, undersized center who can't score... Jeez why can't be find a decent 7 foot center... Your lack of basketball knowledge is overwhelming. |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:30 AM
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i was so excited when i saw this last night...and i remembered about this sit.e
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Jul 4 2006, 08:32 AM
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I'm still not backing down though......we would be in an even better situation with
LeMarcus Aldridge. I guarentee he is good for at least 10-12 PPG 8-10 RPG as a rookie. He could start at PF next to Big Ben and excel. Then we could do this Chandler for PJ Brown deal, and we could utilize PJ off the bench vs. the starting lineup. PG Hinrich SG Gordon C Wallace PF Aldridge SF Deng Bench Noc PJ Brown Sefulousha Duhon |
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