QUOTE (HoofHearted @ Apr 11 2006, 03:16 PM)
His back problem has flared up more than once in college, and derives from high school. His hip surgery was not invasive, but it was not a clean up surgery either. The hip related to the back is HUGE, and any doctor will tell you someone with back troubles who has had a hip injury is much more likely to have trouble with both of those down the line. Also, those stats do not represent the type of talent and player he is made out to be. They are very respectable lines, but if he is the best big man in the country those type of stats should comes easy. 15 points and 10 boards a game is not as good as it looks when you consider he is supposed to be a dominant big man. He is much more gifted athletically than any C in the nation, and even most of the NBA, yet he has failed to come up big against tougher competition. Memphis held him to 10, Tennesee to 15, OSU 14 and 9, A&M 5, Kansas 5, NC state 10, LSU 4. All teams with good bigs, which can be a worry, a guy with all his supposed talent should be consistantly putting up 20+, 10+ no matter the team or who he is matched up against.
Roy is very much an above average shooter, and if you watched any of his games you would see that, so dont believe every draft resource you read. He takes great shots, and creates his own off the dribble too. He is very much a high ceiling prospect, as he not only has one of the highest b-ball IQs in this draft, but he does everything at an above average level that you would from a 2 guard and more( he did prove his J is much improved by his better % from the arc this season). If you have never seen him play, and relied on what you read about him I might see where you got this attitude from, but having watched him grow from last season to this one I am really impressed by his athletic ability. He absolutely dominated against my Sun Devils this season, and when they wrecked them, he adjusted his game to help everyone else on the court while still contributing at a high percentage. When he has a poor game shooting he knows how to drive his way to the line, he single handedly beat UCLA this year by doing exactly that. While he may not be THE most athletically gifted guard, he is able to keep up with anyone on both ends of the court. He is very athletic and gets easy steps on other teams guards, so I have no idea where you pulled that one out of. He is a 2 guard he has the speed and moves of a PG, and can make opponents look silly with the things his body allows him to do.
You are selling Roy way short, and not giving enough warrant to the affect Lamarcus' injuries can have on him which makes me believe you are being very biased because you like Aldridges potential, and just dont want to see us grab Roy over him. I love Lamarcus' potential also, but you cant just ignore the types and frequeny of injuries he has had. Without a doubt I will conceed if healthy, Lamarcus is All-Star caliber, and I would not be dissapointed in the least about us drafting him. My points were just made as facts of the matter, nothing more, and all I wanted to get across is the inherent risk those pre-existing and little brought to light injuries MAY have on him.
If he is the best big man in the country, why are you ripping on him?
You're countering your own point. There aren't a whole lot of players putting up better numbers than him, especially considering that he is only a sophmore. Plus as I said, Texas' guards cost him several opportunities to score each game because they are both shoot first guards. Daniel Gibson and P.J. Tucker took a lot more shots than he did, which tells you something about their game planning and the players around him. So now a guy can't have any bad games? Plus only 3 of the ones you posted were really that bad (and he only got about 5 shots in all of those), and you're ignoring good games like 21 against Duke and the supposed best post defender in the league, 18 and 12 against Iowa, and 18 in his other meeting against Kansas. You've got ridiculously high standards for post players. Very few of them even get close to averaging 20 points per game. Even dominant big men like Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing only averaged about 16 per game.
We're going to have to disagree on the injury front. You're worrying about something that a lot of scouts that have to invest millions of dollars in the guy are not worried about. Nothing I saw this year showed any signs of problems. It's not like we're talking about someone like Antonio McDyess, Marcus Camby, or Penny Hardaway that has some nagging injury every year. We're talking about what happened in the course of one season. Obviously nothing that happened has limited his athletic ability in any way shape or form, and it's not affecting his draft stock at all.
I've watched Roy play several times, and he doesn't really rely on his outside shot. He only attempted about 3 three pointers per game (which hardly qualifies him as a marksmen), and he gets most of his points within a few feet of the basket. He has an okay mid-range jumper, but he's not exactly Michael Jordan out there. You definitely can't get a good feel for his real abilities in the Pac-10, that conference blew this year outside of UCLA. I'm supposed to be impressed with a couple of good games against teams that play no D like ASU and Gonzaga, or one good game and one bad one against UCLA? He's a decent player, but I've seen much better guards.
Why would I be biased towards Aldridge? I live in Illinois and have no connections to Texas whatsoever. I have no reason to talk up either prospect. I just think Aldridge is going to be a much better pro than Roy. If anything it seems you have a hard-on for Roy. If he were really that dominant a player, he wouldn't still be there in his senior season. He tried to declare twice but went back to school because he wasn't going to go very high. He was still at Washington because he isn't that impressive an athlete and he's only passable as a shooter. I'll admit he's a good ball-handler, but he's going to need more than that at the next level.