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sport1016
Ok. We know he's not coming in the draft, so during FA Pax absolutely has to acquire a veteran post scorer.

He has admitted as much.

Guaranteed: We will sign or trade for a veteran post scorer

But who? This question will remain until Pax definitively solves the problem

WHO WE GOT?

Here are my ideas so far--

FA:
Jamaal Magloire
Darko?
melvin ely
corliss williamson?
Mikki Moore?
C-webb?
Chris Mihm?
Joe Smith


Trade:
Nene
Gooden
Camby
Primoz Brezec
Sean May
Zach Randolph
abdur-rahim

help........who we gettin and how?
Steve9347
The draft is not over. Are you sure we won't try and get "Big Baby" in a sign and trade with Duhon involved?

If not I think Gooden, Rahim, or Ely are the most likely options. Randolph is off the list b/c the Blazers are idiots trading him to New York.
Bullseye
QUOTE (steve9347 @ Jun 28 2007, 08:18 PM) *
The draft is not over. Are you sure we won't try and get "Big Baby" in a sign and trade with Duhon involved?

If not I think Gooden, Rahim, or Ely are the most likely options. Randolph is off the list b/c the Blazers are idiots trading him to New York.

I like Glen Davis, but he has Michael Sweetney 2.0 written all over him. Lack of height and weight concerns.
dasox24
QUOTE (steve9347 @ Jun 28 2007, 08:18 PM) *
Randolph is off the list b/c the Blazers are idiots trading him to New York.

So you think NY got the better of the trade?
Iguana
QUOTE (steve9347 @ Jun 28 2007, 08:18 PM) *
The draft is not over. Are you sure we won't try and get "Big Baby" in a sign and trade with Duhon involved?

If not I think Gooden, Rahim, or Ely are the most likely options. Randolph is off the list b/c the Blazers are idiots trading him to New York.


wow...a draft of Noah and Glen Davis? I'd need an IV with all the puking I'll be doing....
Chicago Bulls Franchise
Nocioni + Duhon for Channing Frye is what I'd love to get done.
b-riann
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jun 28 2007, 08:51 PM) *
Nocioni + Duhon for Channing Frye is what I'd love to get done.

no way NY gives up frye

anybody who can average 10-15 ppg gets us into the finals. if noah isnt doing that, then he sits his first 2 years, and gets "tutored" by whatever veteran they bring in
dasox24
QUOTE (b-riann @ Jun 28 2007, 09:17 PM) *
no way NY gives up frye

anybody who can average 10-15 ppg gets us into the finals. if noah isnt doing that, then he sits his first 2 years, and gets "tutored" by whatever veteran they bring in

Frye is supposedly going to Portland in the Randolph trade. And, since Portland has Aldridge and Oden, they don't necessarily need Frye.
SoxFan1
Give them Tyrus for Aldridge.
Chisoxfn
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 28 2007, 07:21 PM) *
Give them Tyrus for Aldridge.

Personally, I wouldn't even think about making that deal. Tyrus is going to be a star. Maybe not an offensive star but he's going to be a major game changing player.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 28 2007, 09:46 PM) *
Personally, I wouldn't even think about making that deal. Tyrus is going to be a star. Maybe not an offensive star but he's going to be a major game changing player.


Right on brother cool.gif
SoxFan1
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jun 28 2007, 09:58 PM) *
Right on brother cool.gif

Shocking.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 28 2007, 10:00 PM) *
Shocking.


Shocking you would want to trade him
cars
That Randolph trade makes no sense whatsoever. They have terrible outside shooting, so they add another post guy who's got attitude problems?

Fits right in. When do they realize they have what they need in David Lee?
soxfan101
I think Drew Gooden seems like the most reasonable option. Although maybe with their obvious rebuilding they are going through now we can make a move for Wilcox from Seattle.
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 28 2007, 08:46 PM) *
Personally, I wouldn't even think about making that deal. Tyrus is going to be a star. Maybe not an offensive star but he's going to be a major game changing player.


Just to play Devil's advocate, several experts have said that Aldridge could very well be the next Chris Bosh, and he was playing quite well down the stretch...
Chisoxfn
QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 28 2007, 08:20 PM) *
Just to play Devil's advocate, several experts have said that Aldridge could very well be the next Chris Bosh, and he was playing quite well down the stretch...

I think Aldridge will be good, but I just think Tyrus has something "special" about him. And by all means, I would have no complaints if the Bulls had Aldridge because I completely understood why they could have opted with him in the draft. I also understood why they went with Tyrus.
heirdog
Gray is your man
sport1016
QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 28 2007, 10:30 PM) *
I think Aldridge will be good, but I just think Tyrus has something "special" about him. And by all means, I would have no complaints if the Bulls had Aldridge because I completely understood why they could have opted with him in the draft. I also understood why they went with Tyrus.


That's what I've been trying to tell you.

I wanted LA so badly, but watching Tyrus play....he just has that quality. It's not just the speed and jumping and good hands. He wants to dominate constantly. He's the best athlete i've ever seen on the court. He wants to pick off every pass. Block every shot. Put back every miss. When he cuts down his mistakes and mental lapses, bam. Sometime in the next year or two, you'll see him put most of it together. He's a Kirilenko-amare hybrid. Just wait. I have a good feeling. And considering I hated the pick until probably January, I dont feel terribly biast.
madisonsmadhouse
I think Pax has a couple of targets in mind with the MLE, but would like to get a deal done involving Du and Noc going somewhere in a sign and trade deal. The Bulls still could get a bigger deal done with a team looking for cap relief if they can get PJ Brown to agree to go somewhere for a year.
soxfan3530
I know that Randolph is a psycho and all but the Bulls should beaten the Knicks (who didn't give up that much Frye who is a good player and francis who has a big contract and is pretty bad at this stage in his career). I dont think it would have taken that much to get him. I would have given up NOah and Duhon or even if we had to Noah and Noc for Randolph.
soxfan3530
I just read an article in the Southtown that said Paxson is planning to go after Gasol and Collison in the near future. I would take Collison since he is expendable and won't cost as much as Gasol.
eddog2
Yeah. I wouldn't mind Collison. We could probably get him for Nocioni & Duhon.

The only problem I have with getting Collison is that he will be our starter which will restrict minutes for Tyrus. However, with Nocioni gone Tyrus can finally get minutes at SF which is probably his more natural position. It's going to be hard to get everyone minutes next year. Noah will likely get most of the backup center minutes unless Gray performs well which would mean Noah will probably get some PF minutes. If Noah gets PF minutes that means Tyrus won't get as many.

I want Tyrus playing at least 20 mpg next season so he can progress as a player.
Chisoxfn
QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jun 29 2007, 09:07 AM) *
I just read an article in the Southtown that said Paxson is planning to go after Gasol and Collison in the near future. I would take Collison since he is expendable and won't cost as much as Gasol.

Either move would be fantastic. I'd imagine they would be centered on a Nocioni (for Collison) or Noc/Gordon/Duh for Gasol.
motownbull71
I know we all want a low post scorer. The fact is there are very few available. The only legit low post offensive threats(12+ppg) who appear to be available are Pau Gasol and Jermaine O'Neal. There is a chance you could get some discussion going about Wilcox, Nene, Sean May or Ilgauskas. But really there isn't much out there. Most of the guys you list are marginal post players at best. If you look at their stats, nothing really impresses. The reason is they aren't that good. No need to make a big deal about getting backups and rejects. If a reasonable deal isn't going to be made for a low post difference maker, why bother?
dasox24
QUOTE (eddog2 @ Jun 29 2007, 11:15 AM) *
I want Tyrus playing at least 20 mpg next season so he can progress as a player.

I agree completely. If we want to see him become the player he can be, then Skiles has to give him a good amount of PT. However, judging on the PT he was getting towards the end of the year, I don't see him getting shafted.

As for Collison or Gasol, I'd love either in a trade. Obviously, Gasol is the better player, but he'll also cost a lot more. Plus, I'm not sure how TT and Noah (at least Noah, anyway, since TT could play some SF) would get many minutes b/c Gasol and Wallace would both get 35+ minutes every game. That would leave about 10 minutes per game of playing time left open at the PF and C spots. Though, Tyrus could play the minutes that Noc used to get (I'm assuming Noc would have to be in a Gasol trade), which would give him at least 20+ a game. I just want to make sure Noah gets enough b/c he's got to play if we want him to develop into the kind of Center that can take over in 2 (maybe 3) years for Wallace.
madisonsmadhouse
QUOTE (motownbull71 @ Jun 29 2007, 05:55 PM) *
I know we all want a low post scorer. The fact is there are very few available. The only legit low post offensive threats(12+ppg) who appear to be available are Pau Gasol and Jermaine O'Neal. There is a chance you could get some discussion going about Wilcox, Nene, Sean May or Ilgauskas. But really there isn't much out there. Most of the guys you list are marginal post players at best. If you look at their stats, nothing really impresses. The reason is they aren't that good. No need to make a big deal about getting backups and rejects. If a reasonable deal isn't going to be made for a low post difference maker, why bother?


you bother because an upgrade is still an upgrade. Remember we were one game away from being the two seed, and having an easy trip into the Eastern Confrence finals. Do you want to tell me that we couldn't have won one more game last year during the regular season with just a little bit better play in the front court?
motownbull71
QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jun 29 2007, 11:09 PM) *
you bother because an upgrade is still an upgrade. Remember we were one game away from being the two seed, and having an easy trip into the Eastern Confrence finals. Do you want to tell me that we couldn't have won one more game last year during the regular season with just a little bit better play in the front court?


We blew several close games during the season that had little to do with not having a post player. Three that come to mind was the home OT game vs. CLE, choking up the 18 pt lead against NJ, losing to MEM on the road. I am sure there are others. I don't disagree with the need for a post presence. DO we have to chase guys like Ely, Magloire, Collison, etc. I just want to get someone who is respected and requires double-teaming. None of the benchwarmers mentioned provides that element.
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jun 29 2007, 04:50 PM) *
I agree completely. If we want to see him become the player he can be, then Skiles has to give him a good amount of PT. However, judging on the PT he was getting towards the end of the year, I don't see him getting shafted.

As for Collison or Gasol, I'd love either in a trade. Obviously, Gasol is the better player, but he'll also cost a lot more. Plus, I'm not sure how TT and Noah (at least Noah, anyway, since TT could play some SF) would get many minutes b/c Gasol and Wallace would both get 35+ minutes every game. That would leave about 10 minutes per game of playing time left open at the PF and C spots. Though, Tyrus could play the minutes that Noc used to get (I'm assuming Noc would have to be in a Gasol trade), which would give him at least 20+ a game. I just want to make sure Noah gets enough b/c he's got to play if we want him to develop into the kind of Center that can take over in 2 (maybe 3) years for Wallace.

So, the way I would do it, I would try to make sure that TT and Noah would get at least 25 minutes per game each. That basically fills up one slot in the lineup. Last year, Big Ben averaged 35 minutes per game when he played. That would basically leave about 10 minutes left to fill up if each of them pulled off those numbers, and that could be filled by some combination of a small lineup or by Gray.

My point is, the only way I see us desperately needing another big guy right now is for days when Wallace is hurting or can't play. Unless TT or Noah totally implode this year, which is of course always possible.
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jun 29 2007, 06:50 PM) *
I agree completely. If we want to see him become the player he can be, then Skiles has to give him a good amount of PT. However, judging on the PT he was getting towards the end of the year, I don't see him getting shafted.

As for Collison or Gasol, I'd love either in a trade. Obviously, Gasol is the better player, but he'll also cost a lot more. Plus, I'm not sure how TT and Noah (at least Noah, anyway, since TT could play some SF) would get many minutes b/c Gasol and Wallace would both get 35+ minutes every game. That would leave about 10 minutes per game of playing time left open at the PF and C spots. Though, Tyrus could play the minutes that Noc used to get (I'm assuming Noc would have to be in a Gasol trade), which would give him at least 20+ a game. I just want to make sure Noah gets enough b/c he's got to play if we want him to develop into the kind of Center that can take over in 2 (maybe 3) years for Wallace.


Well, 26 minutes available in the post, but you do have a point.

Personally, if we got Gasol without destroying the team I'd make that sacrifice. That'd make us the favorites in the East, plus you'd have the luxury of depth, so you can give Gasol/Wallace breathers more often, especially in blowouts. You can probably afford to get them closer to 32 minutes a piece without hurting your chances much and also making them a little fresher for the playoffs, while also giving Tyrus and Noah about 16 minutes a piece to work with.

Plus maybe those guys learn some things offensively by going up against Gasol every day in practice...
SoxFan1
Get. Darko.

Now that Lewis has agreed to sign with the Magic, Milicic will be allowed to become a UFA.
dasox24
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 2 2007, 11:32 PM) *
Get. Darko.

Now that Lewis has agreed to sign with the Magic, Milicic will be allowed to become a UFA.

Man, Darko would be awesome. He's still only 22, and can definitely score. He's a legit 7-footer as well. Looks like Pax is gonna try to go after him too, now that he's a UFA. This little excerpt is from a Tribune article about Nocioni:
QUOTE (Chicago Tribune @ Jul 3 2007 )
Nocioni isn't the only restricted free agent Paxson is monitoring. Darko Milicic would interest the Bulls should the Magic woo Rashard Lewis and renounce their rights to the 7-footer.
Serbbojo
that would be awesome if we got Darko but still we would have to work out some sign and trade deal because we cant offer darko more than the midlevel exception
SoxFan1
QUOTE (Serbbojo @ Jul 3 2007, 02:22 AM) *
that would be awesome if we got Darko but still we would have to work out some sign and trade deal because we cant offer darko more than the midlevel exception

I'd deal Noc for Darko in a second.
madisonsmadhouse
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 2 2007, 11:32 PM) *
Get. Darko.

Now that Lewis has agreed to sign with the Magic, Milicic will be allowed to become a UFA.


We don't have the money under the cap.
sport1016
SIGN AND TRADE FOR DARKO!!!!!!

They need a SG soooooo badly.

Du, Vic and BG for Darko?


What about du and Noc for darko?

sign me up!!!

have wallace call him and tell him how great it is here.....just kidding, he's probably up in detroit kicking it with his "family."
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (sport1016 @ Jul 3 2007, 10:07 AM) *
SIGN AND TRADE FOR DARKO!!!!!!

They need a SG soooooo badly.

Du, Vic and BG for Darko?
What about du and Noc for darko?

sign me up!!!

have wallace call him and tell him how great it is here.....just kidding, he's probably up in detroit kicking it with his "family."


Wow, a big "no thanks" to Gordon for Darko. Just a slight drop-off in production. blink.gif

The second one is closer...
sport1016
idk how much darko is looking for but i would assume its somewhere between 8 and 10 million.

Pax said he knew he'd have to make a deal, heres one that certainly wont bust up our core.

What would the Magic want???

Now that they have lewis and still have hedo turgolu it may be hard to convince them to pay 6 million for noce too. Unless they liked the idea of playing Lewis and noce with howard, that'd be a nice front line.
b-riann
idk. if we get darko and give up noc, then who what's the lineup? wallace, darko, deng, gordon, and kirk? then tyrus and noah sit? i would then think tyrus would come in to give darko rests, then what, noah comes in when tyrus needs breaks? that will never work, unless noah comes in wallace and tyrus for darko

bullssmilie1.jpg
SoxFan1
QUOTE (b-riann @ Jul 3 2007, 12:40 PM) *
idk. if we get darko and give up noc, then who what's the lineup? wallace, darko, deng, gordon, and kirk? then tyrus and noah sit? i would then think tyrus would come in to give darko rests, then what, noah comes in when tyrus needs breaks? that will never work, unless noah comes in wallace and tyrus for darko

bullssmilie1.jpg

Wallace/Noah/Gray at C
Darko/Tyrus at PF

Whats wrong with that?
sport1016
noah and darko can both play center, especially in the east

i would expect the minutes to look something like:

Wallace = 32 mins at center = 32 mins total
Darko = 20 mins at pf 10 mins at center = 30 mins total
Tyrus = 20 mins at pf 5 mins at sf = 25 mins total
Noah = 8 mins at pf 6 mins at center = 14 mins total

Remember darko is still young. I think he's 22. Wallace will be declining soon and i think would be used like bill cartwright at the end of his career. As in, not playing heavy minutes except in the playoffs or against big time centers (bill was our ewing specialist, for anyone that doesnt remember)

In 08-09 i'd expect something more like....

Wallace = 25 mins at center = 25 mins total
Darko= 16 mins at pf 15 mins at center = 31 mins total
Tyrus= 20 mins at pf 5 mins at sf = 25 mins total
noah = 12 mins at pf 8 mins at center = 20 mins total

this would be an excellent front court rotation

Kirk/Thabo/JamesOn
Gordon/thabo
Deng/thabo/tyrus/griffin
Darko/tyrus/noah
Wallace/Darko/Noah/Gray

Championship caliber team....maybe not not next year, but I would predict EC finals appearance next year, maybethe finals, and then 08-09 is when we start our 3 peat
TeaLeafReaderII
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 3 2007, 12:18 PM) *
Wallace/Noah/Gray at C
Darko/Tyrus at PF

Whats wrong with that?

it would kick too much ass?
SoxFan1
QUOTE (sport1016 @ Jul 3 2007, 01:22 PM) *
noah and darko can both play center, especially in the east

i would expect the minutes to look something like:

Wallace = 32 mins at center = 32 mins total
Darko = 20 mins at pf 10 mins at center = 30 mins total
Tyrus = 20 mins at pf 5 mins at sf = 25 mins total
Noah = 8 mins at pf 6 mins at center = 14 mins total

Remember darko is still young. I think he's 22. Wallace will be declining soon and i think would be used like bill cartwright at the end of his career. As in, not playing heavy minutes except in the playoffs or against big time centers (bill was our ewing specialist, for anyone that doesnt remember)

In 08-09 i'd expect something more like....

Wallace = 25 mins at center = 25 mins total
Darko= 16 mins at pf 15 mins at center = 31 mins total
Tyrus= 20 mins at pf 5 mins at sf = 25 mins total
noah = 12 mins at pf 8 mins at center = 20 mins total

this would be an excellent front court rotation

Kirk/Thabo/JamesOn
Gordon/thabo
Deng/thabo/tyrus/griffin
Darko/tyrus/noah
Wallace/Darko/Noah/Gray

Championship caliber team....maybe not not next year, but I would predict EC finals appearance next year, maybethe finals, and then 08-09 is when we start our 3 peat

Unless Wallace starts to break down or has some nagging injuries, he'll play more than 25 minutes a game. He was around 40 minutes almost every game last year.

EDIT: Ok, you said 08-09. Nevermind.
dasox24
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 3 2007, 02:25 AM) *
I'd deal Noc for Darko in a second.

So would I. Plus, I think we'd be the best team for Orlando to work out a sign and trade with. Otherwise, they could lose him to a team like Memphis with enough cap space to give him $8 million/year.
Serbbojo
i just dont know if Darko will be able to handle coach Skiles. Darko is a bit of a baby, but then again maybe Skiles can toughen him up. Either way i dont see it happening. The best we are prolly gonna end up with is Chris Mihm.
Chisoxfn
I'd be all over Darko but he's going to command a bit contract (more than the MLE) and because of that the Bulls would have to work out a sign and trade agreement (and Orlando may or may not be willing to agree to such a deal, especially if they don't want to add salary).

They could just be more than content with letting Darko walk at this point (as opposed to adding Noc...however, they could use a replacement for Grant Hill and Noc could very well be that guy).
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