What is your Ideal minute distribution? Heres mine..

PG Hinrich (34), Sefolosha (4) JamesOn (5), Gordon (5)

SG Gordon (28), Sefolosha (12), JamesOn (8)

SF Deng (38), Nocioni (10)

PF Thomas (22), Smith (15), Nocioni (11)

C Wallace (30), Noah (11), Gray (7)

I purposely left off Duhon because I don't see how he can be a Bull by the regular season.

PG Hinrich (34), Sefolosha (4) JamesOn (5), Gordon (5)

SG Gordon (28), Sefolosha (16), JamesOn (4)

SF Deng (38), Nocioni (10)

PF Thomas (22), Smith (15), Nocioni (11)

C Wallace (30), Noah (15), Gray (3)

PG - Hinrich (36), Sefolosha (10), JamesOn (2)

SG - Gordon (33), Sefolosha (12), JamesOn (3)

SF - Deng (38), Nocioni (10)

PF - Smith (20), Tyrus (15), Nocioni (13)

C - Wallace (32), Tyrus (8), Noah (8)

One problem I see with this lineup is that Noc is only getting 23 mpg, whereas he'll likely get about 26. So maybe he plays a few minutes at SG instead of JamesOn. The other problem is that Noah is only getting 8 mpg, whereas he'll likely get at least 13-15. Not sure where he'd get the extra minutes, though.

If Smith is the starting PF at the beginning of the season, then I find it hard to see how TT will have more minutes then him to end the year. I think people are going to be disappointed with his minutes. Smith will get about 20 and so will Tyrus. I hate making predictions, but I'll go ahead and do so anyway:

PG: Kirk/Thabo/Curry - 32/9/7
SG: Ben/Thabo/Curry - 36/10/2
SF: Luol/Noc - 38/10
PF: Smith/Tyrus/Noc - 22/20/6
C: Ben/Noah/Gray - 36/8/4

Kirk: 32 mpg
Gordon: 36 mpg
Luol: 38 mpg
Smith: 22 mog
Wallace: 36 mpg
Thabo: 19 mpg
Tyrus: 20 mpg
Noc: 16 mpg
Curry: 9 mpg
Noah: 8 mpg
Gray: 4 mpg

Factor in the decimals, leaves a few minutes a game for the 11/12 guys on the roster.

Deng=240.

Done and done.

I have to believe that a man making as much money as he does now (to go along with the fact that Skiles loves him) will play more than 16 mpg. He averaged 26 mpg last year, but even with the added depth on our team, it's hard to think his minutes would go down by more than a few.

Its hard but its likely going to happen, maybe not 16 mpg but they will definitely drop because of the rotation were going to have with our frontcourt now. I just can't see Nocioni getting anywhere around 24 mpg and on because there is no reason to mess around with him at SF because Luol is our franchise guy and is going to get the bulk of the minutes there, especially because he's so young he can handle it. His role on the team is going to be pretty simple, maybe a bit different from last year. He's gonna be a scoring threat off the bench because of guys like Tyrus, Noah, and Big Ben, offense from the bench will be a must this year.

Ben Gordon will not be an off the bench guy anymore from what I can see. Guys that are considered scorers are Nocioni, Curry, and maybe Smith?? Last year we had Gordon who 'was' the bench for a good portion of last year but as soon as he started we relied on the scoring by commitee thing which worked out OK I guess. I see Noc's minutes going down by quite a bit this year but I wouldn't be suprised if one week Skiles has him playing 27+ mpg and then the next he only gets about 16 mpg, its the way Skiles works.

Its a good problem to have too many good players and not enough minutes.

I'd really be unhappy if Joe Smith got 20+ minutes a game with his career averages and the 2 kids he's competing against.

My ideal: BWall: 28, Noah 15, Gray 5
TT 25, Smith 13, Noc 5, Noah/Gray 5
Hinrich 35, Curry 8, Gordon 5
Deng 40, Noc 8
Gordon 28, Thabo 15, Noc 5.

Gordon, our best scorer, getting 28 minutes a game and Smith with only 13? I don't see how this team scores more than 90 with that minute dispersal. 20 minutes for Noah, 25 for Tyrus, and 28 for Wallace? Who will score with a lineup of Kirk, Thabo, Noc, Ty, and Noah? In fact, I think I'd be upset if we only gave Smith 13 minutes a game. Why the heck not go and get Darko then? Darko/7 mil/30 minutes > Smith/5 mil/13 minutes. Thats just silly.

Hinrich 36, Thabo 10, Curry 2
Gordon 33, Thabo 13, Curry 2
Deng 38, Nocioni 10
Smith 20, Thomas 15, Nocioni 13
Wallace 35, Noah 10, Gray 3

Hinrich 36 mpg
Thabo 23 mpg
Curry 4 mpg
Gordon 33 mpg
Deng 38 mpg
Nocioni 23 mpg
Smith 20 mpg
Wallace 35 mg
Noah 10 mpg
Gray 3 mpg

the more thabo plays, the more we have a bigger SG

PG: Hinrich-35 Thabo-10 Curry-3
SG: Gordon-33 Thabo-15
SF: Deng-38 Noc-10
PF: Smith-20 TT-20 Noc-8
C: Wallace-34 Noah-12 Gray-2

Deng-38
Krich-35
wallace-34
Gordon-33
thabo-25
smith-20
TT-20
noc-18
noah-12
curry-3
gray-2

I am basing this on several things--

Gordon and Kirk could be 40 min players on plenty of teams, but they need to get thabo out there so 25 mins a game we have a 6'7 guard out there. that's only leaving about 15 mins for team X's star SG to not be guarded by thabo. And most of those 15 minutes would come in the first quarter.

PJ got 20 mpg, and thats probably what Smith will get.

TT got 13 mins last year, so noah probably gets about that.

We are really deep. Curry and Gray have looked decent in summer league, but they arent gonna get regular minutes. NOt even close.

Noc only 18 mpg? Idk where he would get more minutes. TT and Smith are both getting at least 20, and Deng needs all the minutes he can get.

This is why I love Scott Skiles, he isn't going to be playing guys, just to play guys. He is so good at looking at match ups and his players, and adjusting accordingly.

yeah.... the Bulls sure as spiff didn't sign Noc to that contract to have him play 16 minutes per game (including fewer than thabo/tyrus)

Long time, no post. It's pretty funny to me that people think Noc is going to be getting so little PT. Skiles will find ways to tweak our line-up, and get him on the court.


Kirk-34 Thabo-10 Curry-4
Gordon-34- Thabo-8 Noc-4 Curry-2
Deng-36 Noc-12
Smith-20 Tyrus-18 Noc-8 Noah-2
Wallace-34 Noah-9 Gray-5


We play a tall line-up with Thabo-Noc-Deng-Noah-Wallace when Skiles calls for it. Deng wont have to play so much with Noc hopefully back to full health, thus he will lose a couple of minutes.

Yeah, you don't sign someone to that contract and play them 16 minutes a game... you just don't.

^^

Knowing Skiles, we will see a lot of guys in the 25-30 minutes per game range. Its vintage Skiles. He likes to go deep into the bench and use anyone.

If we're hoping to make a playoff run, that's not a terrible thing to plan for. Have everyone's legs a little fresher come April.

Pretty similar to some of these others, but...

PG- Hinrich (34), Sefolosha (10), Curry (4)
SG- Gordon (32), Sefolosha (10), Curry (6)
SF- Deng (36), Noc (12)
PF- Smith (20), Tyrus (20), Noc (8)
C- Wallace (32), Noah (14), Gray (2)

Hinrich- 34
Gordon- 32
Deng- 36
Smith- 20
Wallace- 32
Thomas- 20
Noc- 20
Thabo- 20
Noah- 14
Curry- 10
Gray-2

That makes the most sense to me, though I don't quite think Curry will get 10 minutes per game. Maybe Thabo steals a few more minutes from him, especially at 2-guard playing with Kirk.


Note: some of these might be a bit low, but I expect A LOT of variance. With the overall quality of our team and our depth we should have more blowouts and more opportunities to rest our key guys, which will shave a few minutes off their total (which is why I don't have Deng at like 38 and no one else is over 35, though they will often get that many). Even on a team like Detroit that has several All-star caliber players and weaker depth, none of their guys cracked 37 a game last year.

Really, 5 million for 13 minutes?

Hinrich 34/Thabo 11
Gordon 35/Thabo 10
Deng 35/Nocioni 13
Thomas 20/Smith 16/Noc 12
Wallace 34/Noah 10/Smith 4

Duhon = Pargo's 4th guard minutes i guess if hes still here

Anyone think Kyprha will be a factor?

I don't think he will factor in at all. Unless someone gets hurt, and someone else plays awful, he won't get to see the floor except in mop up time.

38 million for 13 minutes?

No, you let him walk if you want him to only play 13 minutes... you dont sign a player to that type of long term extension if you have so little plan on using them.

Behind both Noc and Deng, with Griff still on the roster?

I think it'd be a pretty good idea to try to package him and Duhon to some team looking for a little more depth. Maybe pick up a player or a draft pick or something.

I agree. At this point, I wouldn't even really care what we'd get in return. I'd take like 2 2nd rounders or something like that. Or maybe we could snag a conditional 1st rounder based on what Duhon does for his new team.