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The Gladiator
How sweet would this be? This would be my Dream draft Mock Draft

1. Chicago Bulls -- Tyrus Thomas, PF, LSU
(From New York)

2. Charlotte Bobcats -- Rudy Gay, SF, Connecticut

3. Portland Trailblazers -- Adam Morrison, SF, Gonzaga

4. Atlanta Hawks -- LaMarcus Aldridge, PF/C, Texas

5. Toronto Raptors -- Andrea Bargnani, PF, Italy

6. Orlando Magic -- Brandon Roy, SG, Washington

7. Seattle Sonics -- Shelden Williams, PF, Duke

8. Boston Celtics -- Randy Foye, PG/SG, Villanova

9. Minnesota Timberwolves -- Patrick O'Bryant, C, Bradley

10. Golden State Warriors -- Hilton Armstrong, PF/C, Connecticut

11. Houston Rockets -- Glen Davis, PF, LSU

12. Chicago Bulls -- Rodney Carney, SG/SF, Memphis

13. New Orleans Hornets -- J.J. Redick, SG, Duke

14. Utah Jazz -- Ronnie Brewer, SG, Arkansas

15. Philadelphia 76ers -- Rajon Rondo, PG, Kentucky

16. Indiana Pacers -- Tiago Splitter, C, Brazil

17. Sacramento Kings -- Marcus Williams, PG, Connecticut

18. New Orleans Hornets -- Al Horford, PF, Florida
(From Milwaukee)

19. Phoenix Suns -- Mardy Collins, PG/SG, Temple
(From L.A. Lakers via Boston via Atlanta)

20. Washington Wizards -- Richard Roby, SG, Colorado

21. New York Knicks -- Josh Boone, PF, Connecticut
(From Denver via New Jersey via Toronto)

22. Memphis Grizzlies -- Paul Millsap, PF, Louisiana Tech

23. New Jersey Nets -- Justin Williams, PF/C, Wyoming
(From L.A. Clippers)

24. Cleveland Cavaliers -- Maurice Ager, SG, Michigan State

25. New Jersey Nets -- Guillermo Diaz, PG, Miami

26. Phoenix Suns -- Nick Fazekas, PF/C, Nevada

27. L.A. Lakers -- Marcus Slaughter, SF, San Diego State
(From Miami)

28. Dallas Mavericks -- Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain

29. New York Knicks -- P.J. Tucker, SF, Texas
(From San Antonio)

30. Portland Trailblazers -- Aaron Gray, C, Pittsburgh
(From Detroit via Utah
The Gladiator
But what pick do we have now? isnt it like 14th?
bschmaranz
15th
JPargo
QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Apr 23 2006, 03:04 PM)
15th

Wrong we have the 16th pick. and the bulls have a 2nd pick...i say Lamarcus Aldridge with the knicks pick and Saer Sene with ours
bulls91
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 03:00 PM)
How sweet would this be? This would be my Dream draft Mock Draft

1. Chicago Bulls -- Tyrus Thomas, PF, LSU
(From New York)

2. Charlotte Bobcats -- Rudy Gay, SF, Connecticut

3. Portland Trailblazers -- Adam Morrison, SF, Gonzaga

4. Atlanta Hawks -- LaMarcus Aldridge, PF/C, Texas

5. Toronto Raptors -- Andrea Bargnani, PF, Italy

6. Orlando Magic -- Brandon Roy, SG, Washington

7. Seattle Sonics -- Shelden Williams, PF, Duke

8. Boston Celtics -- Randy Foye, PG/SG, Villanova

9. Minnesota Timberwolves -- Patrick O'Bryant, C, Bradley

10. Golden State Warriors -- Hilton Armstrong, PF/C, Connecticut

11. Houston Rockets -- Glen Davis, PF, LSU

12. Chicago Bulls -- Rodney Carney, SG/SF, Memphis

13. New Orleans Hornets -- J.J. Redick, SG, Duke

14. Utah Jazz -- Ronnie Brewer, SG, Arkansas

15. Philadelphia 76ers -- Rajon Rondo, PG, Kentucky

16. Indiana Pacers -- Tiago Splitter, C, Brazil

17. Sacramento Kings -- Marcus Williams, PG, Connecticut

18. New Orleans Hornets -- Al Horford, PF, Florida
(From Milwaukee)

19. Phoenix Suns -- Mardy Collins, PG/SG, Temple
(From L.A. Lakers via Boston via Atlanta)

20. Washington Wizards -- Richard Roby, SG, Colorado

21. New York Knicks -- Josh Boone, PF, Connecticut
(From Denver via New Jersey via Toronto)

22. Memphis Grizzlies -- Paul Millsap, PF, Louisiana Tech

23. New Jersey Nets -- Justin Williams, PF/C, Wyoming
(From L.A. Clippers)

24. Cleveland Cavaliers -- Maurice Ager, SG, Michigan State

25. New Jersey Nets -- Guillermo Diaz, PG, Miami

26. Phoenix Suns -- Nick Fazekas, PF/C, Nevada

27. L.A. Lakers -- Marcus Slaughter, SF, San Diego State
(From Miami)

28. Dallas Mavericks -- Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain

29. New York Knicks -- P.J. Tucker, SF, Texas
(From San Antonio)

30. Portland Trailblazers -- Aaron Gray, C, Pittsburgh
(From Detroit via Utah

that is a horrable draft thomas is another tyson but smaller no post moves. and carney is a SF he will not become a SG get over both of them it will not happen and also we have the 16th pick and carney will be gone.

if we get Aldridge he has good post moves and also is tall enough he will be a good option. also i think that we might also concider Bonzi Wells from sacramento so that will be a good starting SG then for our pick either go with Sene, or Boone with our pick possibly even splitter.

now that would be awsome pray.gif pray.gif snr.gif
The Gladiator
QUOTE (bulls91 @ Apr 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
that is a horrable draft thomas is another tyson but smaller no post moves. and carney is a SF he will not become a SG get over both of them it will not happen and also we have the 16th pick and carney will be gone.

if we get Aldridge he has good post moves and also is tall enough he will be a good option. also i think that we might also concider Bonzi Wells from sacramento so that will be a good starting SG then for our pick either go with Sene, or Boone with our pick possibly even splitter.

now that would be awsome pray.gif pray.gif snr.gif

No that is a great draft. Carney will definatley be gone by 16 but Thomas is THE MAN that we need. He is not even close to Tyson Chandler. Hes already a better inside scorer, and hes so young and can only get better. He is a top 5 athlete in the draft and if he can add some muscle I could see him averaging about 8 ppg and 6.5 rbpg next year off the bench also probably 1 blk to. I believe he will be a star by his 3rd year, similar to Dwight Howard but not as many rebounds. Heres what I think Thomas can do over the next 4 years.

06-07 8.0 ppg 6.5 rbpg 1.0 blkpg off the bench
07-08 10.4 ppg 8.2 rbpg 1.5 blkpg starter
08-09 15.7 ppg 10.2 rbpg 1.8 blkpg starter
09-10 18.0 ppg 11.2 rbpg 2.0 blkpg All Star

Aldridge, I wouldnt mind either but IMO is too soft and didnt intrigue me at all during the Tourney, on the flip side Thomas sure did and thats why I love him so much. I think he can turn out to be a great player. My offseason plan consists of signing Vladimir Radmonovic and Al Harrington. Thomas could come off the bench next year and in year two, could start at PF if he works at it. Plz dont compare him to tyson, its not even close Thomas will be better than Chandler you can count on that. Plus Paxson has said great things on Tyrus already and it looks like if he falls in our hands, we will take him based on his defensive capabilities, afterall it IS the Bulls main thing and that is... DEFENSE.
WHarris1
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 06:54 PM)
No that is a great draft. Carney will definatley be gone by 16 but Thomas is THE MAN that we need. He is not even close to Tyson Chandler. Hes already a better inside scorer, and hes so young and can only get better. He is a top 5 athlete in the draft and if he can add some muscle I could see him averaging about 8 ppg and 6.5 rbpg next year off the bench also probably 1 blk to. I believe he will be a star by his 3rd year, similar to Dwight Howard but not as many rebounds. Heres what I think Thomas can do over the next 4 years.

06-07 8.0 ppg 6.5 rbpg 1.0 blkpg off the bench
07-08 10.4 ppg 8.2 rbpg 1.5 blkpg starter
08-09 15.7 ppg 10.2 rbpg 1.8 blkpg starter
09-10 18.0 ppg 11.2 rbpg 2.0 blkpg All Star

Aldridge, I wouldnt mind either but IMO is too soft and didnt intrigue me at all during the Tourney, on the flip side Thomas sure did and thats why I love him so much. I think he can turn out to be a great player. My offseason plan consists of signing Vladimir Radmonovic and Al Harrington. Thomas could come off the bench next year and in year two, could start at PF if he works at it. Plz dont compare him to tyson, its not even close Thomas will be better than Chandler you can count on that. Plus Paxson has said great things on Tyrus already and it looks like if he falls in our hands, we will take him based on his defensive capabilities, afterall it IS the Bulls main thing and that is... DEFENSE.

Thomas is not a good inside scorer.
ZoomSlowik
That's a horrible mock draft. There's no way Gay goes #2, Aldridge goes #4, and Carney goes outside the top 10. Plus, Glenn Davis isn't even the draft (and isn't a lotto pick anyways), and Hilton Armstrong isn't a top 10 pick either.

As for those two players, Carney is a bad fit because he is a natural small forward and could struggle to create his own shot in the NBA. Thomas is an undersized power forward with virtually no post skills, a mediocre jumper, and compared to other NBA players his athleticism doesn't stand out as much. He got by as basically a free-safety type help defender at LSU, which won't fly in the pros. Drew Gooden and Stromile Swift come to mind. Neither player is an impact player in their first year, and probably not in their second year either.

Aldridge is a much better fit for us. He's bigger, a better post scorer, and can have nearly as big an impact on defense. Plus he's more likely to contribute early in his career.
The Gladiator
QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 23 2006, 07:08 PM)
That's a horrible mock draft. There's no way Gay goes #2, Aldridge goes #4, and Carney goes outside the top 10. Plus, Glenn Davis isn't even the draft (and isn't a lotto pick anyways), and Hilton Armstrong isn't a top 10 pick either.

As for those two players, Carney is a bad fit because he is a natural small forward and could struggle to create his own shot in the NBA. Thomas is an undersized power forward with virtually no post skills, a mediocre jumper, and compared to other NBA players his athleticism doesn't stand out as much. He got by as basically a free-safety type help defender at LSU, which won't fly in the pros. Drew Gooden and Stromile Swift come to mind. Neither player is an impact player in their first year, and probably not in their second year either.

Aldridge is a much better fit for us. He's bigger, a better post scorer, and can have nearly as big an impact on defense. Plus he's more likely to contribute early in his career.

Yes, I agree with contributing earlier but in the long run Thomas will Surpass Aldridge IMO. Plus hes a better defender. Aldridge would get eaten alive on post defense.

O and BTW Im just saying the draft is Great for US not ne one else. I dont care about ne one else but us.
WHarris1
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 07:10 PM)
Aldridge would get eaten alive on post defense.

What makes you say that?

I pray and pray and pray that we end up with Aldridge he is just a perfect fit for this teams needs.
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 07:10 PM)
Yes, I agree with contributing earlier but in the long run Thomas will Surpass Aldridge IMO. Plus hes a better defender. Aldridge would get eaten alive on post defense.

O and BTW Im just saying the draft is Great for US not ne one else. I dont care about ne one else but us.

You could easily say the same thing about Thomas. Aldridge has about 20-25 pounds on Thomas, and Tyrus isn't all that much more physical. Neither is going to be a good on-the-ball defender right away.
JPargo
QUOTE (bulls91 @ Apr 23 2006, 05:40 PM)
if we get Aldridge he has good post moves and also is tall enough he will be a good option. also i think that we might also concider Bonzi Wells from sacramento so that will be a good starting SG then for our pick either go with Sene, or Boone with our pick possibly even splitter.

now that would be awsome pray.gif  pray.gif  snr.gif

I dont think that Splitter will be available with our 16th pick. Most mock drafts have him going in the top 10, but if hes there wee should snatch him up. Draftexpress says that he best case senario is Pj Brown Worst case Jeff Foster. Either outcome is good i'd say, Jeff Foster is a great rebounder and he can also score. If Tiago isn't there then i say we take Saer Sene for sure, draftexpress doesnt have his prfile done but i'd say his Best case senario is somewhere around Dikembe Motumbo(Back in the day) or Alonzo Mourning (also back in the day)

I dont think we'll have enough money after we sign our Center to sign Bonzi because he is getting paid about 8mil...
The Gladiator
QUOTE (JPargo @ Apr 23 2006, 07:30 PM)
I dont think that Splitter will be available with our 16th pick. Most mock drafts have him going in the top 10, but if hes there wee should snatch him up. Draftexpress says that he best case senario is Pj Brown Worst case Jeff Foster. Either outcome is good i'd say, Jeff Foster is a great rebounder and he can also score. If Tiago isn't there then i say we take Saer Sene for sure, draftexpress doesnt have his prfile done but i'd say his Best case senario is somewhere around Dikembe Motumbo(Back in the day) or Alonzo Mourning (also back in the day)

I dont think we'll have enough money after we sign our Center to sign Bonzi because he is getting paid about 8mil...

Who the hell is Saer Sene? I dont want a foreigner, we need someone who can impact RIGHT AWAY!!
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 07:50 PM)
Who the hell is Saer Sene? I dont want a foreigner, we need someone who can impact RIGHT AWAY!!

Thomas isn't too likely to contribute right away either. For Christ's sake, he's the same size as Luol Deng, only he's supposed to play PF. He needs to add at least 15 pounds fast, maybe more. Even then, he's not going to be a scoring threat.
JPargo
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 07:50 PM)
Who the hell is Saer Sene? I dont want a foreigner, we need someone who can impact RIGHT AWAY!!

1st off that sounded pretty "racist". 2nd with us taking Lamarcus he will be able to contribute right away for us. Saer will be a project for the team but will still be able to contribute. Saer Sene is a 7ft Center with a 7'8 wingspan, this meens he will be a great backup behind the Center we sign over the summer. Heres how he did at the Nike Hoops Cummit 06
Mouhamed Saer Sene
7'0"/232 lbs.
Center
15 points, 6 rebounds, 9 blocks
Club: Verviers-Pepinster (Belgium)
NBA ETA: 2006
Word: Beyond the obvious physical attributes (gargantuan wingspan, speed, age) that Sene possesses, it's the malice and competitiveness that he displays on the court that makes him so attractive. His passion for blocking shots and willingness to go at anyone are a must for the center position, yet we rarely see 7-footers these days with that mentality.

The rough edges are consistent with a guy who's been playing the game less than five years. He doesn't exhibit anywhere close to the confidence on offense that he does defensively. Sene's moves are mechanical and he's content just to get his shot off, regardless of where he is on the floor or the degree of difficulty. Sene also relies too much on his incredible arm length to work the glass, reaching for boards instead of establishing position.

He needs a little work but he will be just fine at the backup Center.
http://probasketball.about.com/b/a/257628.htm
bulls91
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 06:54 PM)
No that is a great draft. Carney will definatley be gone by 16 but Thomas is THE MAN that we need. He is not even close to Tyson Chandler. Hes already a better inside scorer, and hes so young and can only get better. He is a top 5 athlete in the draft and if he can add some muscle I could see him averaging about 8 ppg and 6.5 rbpg next year off the bench also probably 1 blk to. I believe he will be a star by his 3rd year, similar to Dwight Howard but not as many rebounds. Heres what I think Thomas can do over the next 4 years.

06-07 8.0 ppg 6.5 rbpg 1.0 blkpg off the bench
07-08 10.4 ppg 8.2 rbpg 1.5 blkpg starter
08-09 15.7 ppg 10.2 rbpg 1.8 blkpg starter
09-10 18.0 ppg 11.2 rbpg 2.0 blkpg All Star

Aldridge, I wouldnt mind either but IMO is too soft and didnt intrigue me at all during the Tourney, on the flip side Thomas sure did and thats why I love him so much. I think he can turn out to be a great player. My offseason plan consists of signing Vladimir Radmonovic and Al Harrington. Thomas could come off the bench next year and in year two, could start at PF if he works at it. Plz dont compare him to tyson, its not even close Thomas will be better than Chandler you can count on that. Plus Paxson has said great things on Tyrus already and it looks like if he falls in our hands, we will take him based on his defensive capabilities, afterall it IS the Bulls main thing and that is... DEFENSE.

he is another chandler he has no post moves at all!!!!!!!!!! he can olny rebound and get ally-oops just like chandler. the whole reason that we were going to draft a post player is that we need post presence and he does not posses that at all.
The Gladiator
QUOTE (JPargo @ Apr 23 2006, 08:02 PM)
1st off that sounded pretty "racist". 2nd with us taking Lamarcus he will be able to contribute right away for us. Saer will be a project for the team but will still be able to contribute. Saer Sene is a 7ft Center with a 7'8 wingspan, this meens he will be a great backup behind the Center we sign over the summer. Heres how he did at the Nike Hoops Cummit 06
Mouhamed Saer Sene
7'0"/232 lbs.
Center
15 points, 6 rebounds, 9 blocks
Club: Verviers-Pepinster (Belgium)
NBA ETA: 2006
Word: Beyond the obvious physical attributes (gargantuan wingspan, speed, age) that Sene possesses, it's the malice and competitiveness that he displays on the court that makes him so attractive. His passion for blocking shots and willingness to go at anyone are a must for the center position, yet we rarely see 7-footers these days with that mentality.

The rough edges are consistent with a guy who's been playing the game less than five years. He doesn't exhibit anywhere close to the confidence on offense that he does defensively. Sene's moves are mechanical and he's content just to get his shot off, regardless of where he is on the floor or the degree of difficulty. Sene also relies too much on his incredible arm length to work the glass, reaching for boards instead of establishing position.

He needs a little work but he will be just fine at the backup Center.
http://probasketball.about.com/b/a/257628.htm

how is that racist? Im saying I dont want to draft a "Foreigner" Meaning, European like Noc is because they are usualy not developped when they make it to the pros and most of the time, they NEVER do. Its a risk and we dont need risks, we need someone who can step up right away. Im not saying I hate aldridge, wich I dont im just saying I like Thomas Better and he is not the next CHANDLER Mark My Words!!
The Gladiator
QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 23 2006, 07:55 PM)
Thomas isn't too likely to contribute right away either. For Christ's sake, he's the same size as Luol Deng, only he's supposed to play PF. He needs to add at least 15 pounds fast, maybe more. Even then, he's not going to be a scoring threat.

no actually Thomas is closer to 6'10 almost 6'11. They list him at 6'9 but scouts say hes actually 6'10.
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (The Gladiator @ Apr 23 2006, 09:10 PM)
no actually Thomas is closer to 6'10 almost 6'11. They list him at 6'9 but scouts say hes actually 6'10.

I haven't heard that anywhere, and everywhere I look he is listed at 6'9". What I HAVE heard them say is that he plays a lot bigger than that.
sport1016
aldridge is the more complete player now and though both are young this is a team who does not need anymore "projects" as we are only a few pieces away from legit contenders

aldridge fits that garnett/jermaine oneal/bosh mold. That is the exact kind of player we would trade for if we could. Hopefully he develops a post up game like all three and maybe, like oneal, bulks up after a couple years in the league.

Put him with a bulkier guy like nazr mohammed and that is a quality front line. It's also a very tall one.

Also, assuming we get muhammed, he or chandler will be guarding the other team's best post player so aldridge doesn't need to be a lock down defender any time soon.

All the reasons ppl don't want al harrington, despite his obvious offensive prowess, are bc he has the same frame/height as deng, and that will keep us undersized for the forseeable future. the same can be applied to thomas, who has no offensive game to speak of, and that is the one thing we need.

I am glad tyrus is a good defender, but we are already a top defensive team, we need to focus on not relying on the perimeter for offense. THat is our one true need.
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