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maybe some pieces are starting to come together....

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Two different sources have indicated to NBADraft.net on Friday that the Pistons have a promise in place to take BJ Mullens if he's available to the them at 15.

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The all time leading scorer in the ACC is considered a surefire contributor (safe pick), which in a weak draft is a valued commodity. Hansbrough may have leapfrogged DeJuan Blair who continues to impress in workouts himself.

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It's looking very likely that if he gets to them the Bulls will take DeJuan Blair. Blair makes a lot of sense as he would work well platooning with the longer and more versatile Joakim Noah at the 4 position. Blair's toughness and ability to rebound would fill a huge void for a team that was 20th in rebounds last year.

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Teams with multiple picks such as Sacramento (23), Oklahoma City (25) and Chicago (26) are all looking to sell their picks according to sources. While three other teams would like to buy picks late in the first round: San Antonio, Detroit and Houston.
DutheDoduhon21
so its detroit who made the promise to mullens. not that i dont like mullens, i just dont like draft promises.
ZoomSlowik
QUOTE (DutheDoduhon21 @ Jun 20 2009, 01:32 PM) *
so its detroit who made the promise to mullens. not that i dont like mullens, i just dont like draft promises.


Especially in this kind of draft where there isn't a ton of seperation between prospects and you don't know who is going to fall...

I forgot where I read it, but there was a rumor that the Bulls are/were trying to trade 16 and 29 to the Nets for #11, supposedly targeting Gerald Henderson. Seems a bit weird to me, but if that's who they really want they can save a little money by only getting one guy and having one less guaranteed contract.
DutheDoduhon21
si truth and rumors
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The Bulls have held trade talks with several teams about packaging the 16th and 26th picks into one higher selection, with two league sources insisting the target is Duke shooting guard Gerald Henderson.

wouldnt surprise me they really like henderson. i would be ok with that, henderson is a good player. wouldnt that leave us with a crowded backcourt again?
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (DutheDoduhon21 @ Jun 23 2009, 10:14 AM) *
si truth and rumors

wouldnt surprise me they really like henderson. i would be ok with that, henderson is a good player. wouldnt that leave us with a crowded backcourt again?

Depends on what happens re: Hinrich and Gordon.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
I don't understand Gerald Henderson. If were looking at him, why not just draft Terrence Williams who is the better player all around with a slightly worse shot? I have a feeling it's between Johnson and Henderson I hope it's Johnson. At 257 he's big enough to play the 4 but he's sort of a tweener because he has a nice shot. The thing is, if we get him we almost HAVE to trade one of our front court players. I'm hoping the Bulls pull a semi block buster deal on draft night whether it be the improbable Bosh/Amare deal or something lesser like Kirk Hinrich. We need to start shaping the team in the mold of Derrick Rose. Hinrich is not going to want to come off the bench next year, that's almost guaranteed.
SoxFan1
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jun 23 2009, 02:29 PM) *
I don't understand Gerald Henderson. If were looking at him, why not just draft Terrence Williams who is the better player all around with a slightly worse shot? I have a feeling it's between Johnson and Henderson I hope it's Johnson. At 257 he's big enough to play the 4 but he's sort of a tweener because he has a nice shot. The thing is, if we get him we almost HAVE to trade one of our front court players. I'm hoping the Bulls pull a semi block buster deal on draft night whether it be the improbable Bosh/Amare deal or something lesser like Kirk Hinrich. We need to start shaping the team in the mold of Derrick Rose. Hinrich is not going to want to come off the bench next year, that's almost guaranteed.

Henderson is better in almost every aspect of basketball than Williams.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 23 2009, 02:40 PM) *
Henderson is better in almost every aspect of basketball than Williams.

Not at all. Williams is a much better rebounder/passer/playmaker and leader than Gerald Henderson. Not too mention he's also taller and will be asked to do the exact same thing Henderson will do which is defend.
DutheDoduhon21
what if derozan were to fall to 11, would you want him over henderson, williams, and johnson?
SoxFan1
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jun 23 2009, 03:07 PM) *
Not at all. Williams is a much better rebounder/passer/playmaker and leader than Gerald Henderson. Not too mention he's also taller and will be asked to do the exact same thing Henderson will do which is defend.

Only because Williams is more athletic. Henderson is much more skilled and an overall better basketball player. Williams is also all of one inch taller than Henderson, so physically they're similar. And part of why Williams rebounded more was the fact that they played him at forward a decent amount. Henderson's numbers were better almost across the board. Henderson is also a much better finisher around the hoop and is able to get to the line, both of which are pretty big problems for the Bulls. Henderson was able to be successful in a half court offense where as Williams wasn't efficient at all in a transition offense.
Balta1701-B
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Chicago has talked to the Nets, Bobcats and Pacers about swapping No. 16 and No. 26 to get into the lottery. It sounds like the Bulls are down to one potential trade partner in the lottery.

The Nets are leaning strongly toward keeping their pick at No. 11. And if the Bobcats made a promise to Williams at No. 12, they're out, too. That leaves the Pacers at No. 13.

The Pacers have been one of the hardest teams to peg in the draft. DeJuan Blair, Tyler Hansbrough, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague all are on their board right now. If the Bulls want any of those guys -- or the guys the Suns (No. 14) and Pistons (No. 15) are looking at -- they'll have to make the deal.
Ford today
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 23 2009, 04:15 PM) *
Only because Williams is more athletic. Henderson is much more skilled and an overall better basketball player. Williams is also all of one inch taller than Henderson, so physically they're similar. And part of why Williams rebounded more was the fact that they played him at forward a decent amount. Henderson's numbers were better almost across the board. Henderson is also a much better finisher around the hoop and is able to get to the line, both of which are pretty big problems for the Bulls. Henderson was able to be successful in a half court offense where as Williams wasn't efficient at all in a transition offense.

Well wouldn't you agree that none of them are really great additions if in fact Ben Gordon leaves? We could then be one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league. That's why I'd just go big man and try to look towards a move that either frees up space to resign BG or get somebody that can.
SoxFan1
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jun 23 2009, 05:17 PM) *
Well wouldn't you agree that none of them are really great additions if in fact Ben Gordon leaves? We could then be one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league. That's why I'd just go big man and try to look towards a move that either frees up space to resign BG or get somebody that can.

I've been saying for a while that my best case scenario draft for the Bulls would be BJ Mullens/Dajuan Blair at 16 and Wayne Ellington at 26.
Chisoxfn
It sounds like we won't take anyone at 26. We are either going to trade that pick or go with a euro player at 26 who will stay overseas.
ZoomSlowik
I'd rather have Henderson than Williams if it came down to it. Both are pretty good athletes, I guess I'd give a slight edge to Williams there even though their combine numbers were virtually identical. The only other edge that I'd say Williams has is as a distributor, which loses value with a guy like Rose on the roster (Nellie would love Terrence). You could probably argue defense too, though frankly I think some of it is that Williams played with way better defenders (Clark in particular). Henderson has a much better mid-range shot and is generally more efficient overall on offense. Williams has plenty of ability but settles for jumpers a lot more than he should and it adversely affects his shooting percentage.

While I'd take them, both of them are streaky outside shooters at best, making them a less than ideal fit for us. Much like Slav I think Ellington would be a great fit at 26 and allow us to go big at 16.
DutheDoduhon21
jay bilas said they cant find blair's ACL's on his MRI's , so then if they cant find them he cant tear them right? lol
Clifton Pondexter
QUOTE (DutheDoduhon21 @ Jun 25 2009, 02:28 PM) *
jay bilas said they cant find blair's ACL's on his MRI's , so then if they cant find them he cant tear them right? lol

There was a running back that had the same issue several years ago. I forgot who it was but it was a huge name. He wound up have a ton of knee problems.
Chisoxfn
QUOTE (Clifton Pondexter @ Jun 25 2009, 12:34 PM) *
There was a running back that had the same issue several years ago. I forgot who it was but it was a huge name. He wound up have a ton of knee problems.

Didn't the Bears have an olineman who had like no ligaments. Might have even been Garza?
Chisoxfn
Knicks have bought the 29th pick from the Lakers for $3M in cash. Lakers also receive a 2nd round pick. Hell of a deal for the Lakers. $3M is a lot of money for a pick at the back-end of the draft, especially when you don't even know if the guy you are targeting will be there at pick 28.
Chisoxfn
Rumor:
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Wallace is an expiring $14 million contract that could also provide the Suns more immediate financial relief with a buyout (although he would still count as a $14 million salary for luxury tax purposes). Chandler's contract goes into the 2010-11 season at about $13 million.


If the Suns make this move it would be an indication that they are not just looking at finances but talent because taking on Chandlers contract is a move to get better talent (Tyson is better than Wallace) but financially is dump.

Oh and quite frankly I don't see why you make that trade if you are the Suns. I don't think Chandler is the type of guy you give up a 2010 expiring (which is what Wallace is) for.
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 25 2009, 01:52 PM) *
Oh and quite frankly I don't see why you make that trade if you are the Suns. I don't think Chandler is the type of guy you give up a 2010 expiring (which is what Wallace is) for.

The only way the Suns would be under the cap next year is if they let both Amare and Nash walk correct? In other words...if they can grab Chandler without going anywhere near luxury tax territory, they're not really in a position where they can be thinking about 2010 expirings...they have to worry about whether they're losing their own guys, and they're not going to be making huge moves with that contract.
Chisoxfn
QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jun 25 2009, 02:13 PM) *
The only way the Suns would be under the cap next year is if they let both Amare and Nash walk correct? In other words...if they can grab Chandler without going anywhere near luxury tax territory, they're not really in a position where they can be thinking about 2010 expirings...they have to worry about whether they're losing their own guys, and they're not going to be making huge moves with that contract.

I think the Suns could position themselves to be in a spot to go after 2010 but maybe I'm wrong. And how unlikely is it that Amare and Nash leave cause I'd put the odds on that being pretty good. Nash might stick around but he won't be the center piece to the team anymore.
Chisoxfn
Chad Ford answering a Bulls question in his most recent Q&A

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Josh (Nebraska)

Hi Andy! What are my Bulls doing tonight? Any big deals going down involving Hinrich, Thomas or hopefully something for Stoudemire?

Andy Katz
The Bulls are talking trades but nothing substantial yet.

Sounds like no one has a clue what the Bulls are doing and who they are talking about, other than just generic that they know Gar has been on the phones. Who knew the org went back to the krause years where no one outside has any clue of what the Bulls are going to do (not necessarily a bad thing, but damn it I want some juicy gossip). That said I'd rather see us make a big move and have it go down than us get all excited and wet over nothing. Ie, I'd rather get the girl than watch the stripper.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 25 2009, 04:20 PM) *
Chad Ford answering a Bulls question in his most recent Q&A


Sounds like no one has a clue what the Bulls are doing and who they are talking about, other than just generic that they know Gar has been on the phones. Who knew the org went back to the krause years where no one outside has any clue of what the Bulls are going to do (not necessarily a bad thing, but damn it I want some juicy gossip). That said I'd rather see us make a big move and have it go down than us get all excited and wet over nothing. Ie, I'd rather get the girl than watch the stripper.

oooohh I like that analogy hahaha!
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