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MB33
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/jackson/252...T-jax24.article

Bring him in he can lead 2nd unit
Sanitarium
i think he'd be good to bring in because he's versatile enough to be a 3rd option at the 1,2, and 3. And when you figure that deng will probably go down at some point in the year, thats pretty valuable
SoxFan1
Ugh, I don't like Rose saying McGrady and Lebron were his favorite players.
rockren
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 24 2010, 04:08 PM) *
Ugh, I don't like Rose saying McGrady and Lebron were his favorite players.


I wouldn't read too much into that. There was a lot of hype on how Rose "didn't recruit" LBJ when in fact he texted LBJ and they spoke the night after the Cavs were bounced by the Celtics. Rose played that situation as well as anyone could have IMO.

Rose's relationship with LBJ won't change regardless of what happened in FA....which shows how cool of a guy Rose is.
rockren
If McGrady was "OK" with coming off the bench and minutes could be scarce unless he shows a few flashes of his old self again AND could be had to close to the vet minimum AND understanding he was only filling out the roster...

I guess I just stated that would probably be too much to ask of T-Mac. Besides, he had his chance in 2000 and chose Orlando. I would pass if I were the Bullies on this one.
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (rockren @ Jul 24 2010, 08:56 PM) *
AND could be had to close to the vet minimum

We've got about $3 million remaining under the cap and 11 players on the roster plus D league-2nd round guys. I'd have no problem signing him for that. And if it's a 1 year deal...then he's also an expiring deal that could be traded mid-season if needbe.
SoxFan1
QUOTE (rockren @ Jul 24 2010, 07:52 PM) *
I wouldn't read too much into that. There was a lot of hype on how Rose "didn't recruit" LBJ when in fact he texted LBJ and they spoke the night after the Cavs were bounced by the Celtics. Rose played that situation as well as anyone could have IMO.

Rose's relationship with LBJ won't change regardless of what happened in FA....which shows how cool of a guy Rose is.

It has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with him understanding his status as a budding superstar in the NBA. It looks goofy for someone to come out and say that. Ya, I know he's 21, but seriously. It's just weird. I want my leader to try and be better than all of his favorites. Not be wowed by the possibility of playing with them.
rockren
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 25 2010, 12:56 AM) *
It has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with him understanding his status as a budding superstar in the NBA. It looks goofy for someone to come out and say that. Ya, I know he's 21, but seriously. It's just weird. I want my leader to try and be better than all of his favorites. Not be wowed by the possibility of playing with them.


If you asked LBJ who his favorite players are/were- I'd put money he'd list Rose as one of them. He practically did say that on his post interview of "The Decision".

He and LBJ are friends- I have no problem with Rose admiring LBJ's game whatsoever in that fashion.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
The interviewer really lead Rose into the answer he gave with that question. Notice how he said "IF he shows anything". McGrady was also one of my favorite players growing up, but now he's a shell of his former self because he's older and is always injured. I don't have a problem getting him on a 1 year deal because we can just cut him if he doesn't pan out or trade him mid-season. The main issue I'd have is he'd be taking away alot of minutes from Watson and Korver at the 2/3 spots. At best I can see T-Mac playing 15 mpg but can he swallow his ego for the betterment of the team? If he's willing to take a couple of DNP's and play 12-15 mpg then I don't have a problem with getting him. But there is alot of question marks with him that make me uneasy.
dasox24
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5408617

Looks like McGrady is definitely a legit possibility. I'd be happy if the 2 prerequisites are met for signing him - he's healthy and agrees to come off the bench.
Wanne
hell...why not? Sounds like a low risk/high reward-type signing.
Sanitarium
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 25 2010, 01:56 AM) *
It has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with him understanding his status as a budding superstar in the NBA. It looks goofy for someone to come out and say that. Ya, I know he's 21, but seriously. It's just weird. I want my leader to try and be better than all of his favorites. Not be wowed by the possibility of playing with them.


Just cause he grew up watching mcgrady doesn't mean that he doesn't want to be better than him, or is suddently going to stop being a leader of the team
Balta1701-B
At least as of now, McGrady couldn't be saying things more correctly.
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The Bulls are prepared to sign Tracy McGrady if he proves to be sufficiently healthy in a workout Monday and can convince the team he is willing to accept a bench role, one source familiar with Chicago's thinking said Sunday.

"Nothing is done until it's done, but I expect the Bulls to sign McGrady later this week," the source said.

Another unknown is what kind of contract McGrady can command from the Bulls. But McGrady has said money and years are not priorities after earning nearly $23 million last season with Houston and New York.

Although he has expressed interest in snagging one of the spots on Miami's bench in support of the LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh triumvirate and he auditioned for the Los Angeles Clippers last week, Chicago is undeniably where McGrady has been hoping to wind up.

McGrady made his desires evident in several recent messages on his Twitter feed, including his pronouncements Saturday that he has "unfinished business" with the Bulls and that it "could be fate this time round" with Chicago after drawing serious interest from the Bulls in the 1997 draft and again during free agency in 2000.
GreatScott82
If its between the Clippers and Bulls I'd say the Bulls have the edge here. McGrady has been working out in Chicago for a long time now trying to get his body back in shape. Not to mention the Bulls have a very competitive young team where he can rejuvinate his career.
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 26 2010, 10:57 AM) *
If its between the Clippers and Bulls I'd say the Bulls have the edge here. McGrady has been working out in Chicago for a long time now trying to get his body back in shape. Not to mention the Bulls have a very competitive young team where he can rejuvinate his career.

There's talk that the Bulls may only be willing to offer him a non-guaranteed contract. The Clippers can probably offer him more guaranteed playing time, if that's what he's after...but it'd be for the Clippers, and frankly the Bulls right now at least look a lot closer to contention, so some of that may be up to what TMac wants.

The workout and interview is supposed to be today.
Balta1701-B
I'm not sure whether to take this as him being cocky about his recovery (good) or suggesting that he'd have a legit problem coming off the bench (bad).
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"This was a great team, a pretty good team, without adding myself and Carlos Boozer, and some of the key players that they added this offseason," said McGrady, who worked out for the Los Angeles Clippers last week. "You bring a coach in like [Tom] Thibodeau, who's very defensive minded, very smart and knows the game, knows what to get out of his players.

"I think we can be really good, I really do."

McGrady, who also has expressed interest in joining Miami as a bench player in support of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, said he wouldn't mind joining the Bulls in a reserve role, but his preference would be to start.

He also said he hasn't yet talked about a contract with the Bulls, but that was expected to take place at lunch Monday. McGrady is represented by Arn Tellem, who enjoys a very strong relationship with Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported that, according to a source, the Bulls are prepared to sign McGrady if he proves to be sufficiently healthy, and if he is willing to accept a bench role.

"I won't have a problem, but that's not what I'm really shooting for," he said of a potential reserve role. "I think, yeah, if I was the player that I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench, but I've worked extremely hard and I'm far from being that player. Trust me."

The 31-year-old McGrady played in just 30 games last season as he recovered from microfracture surgery on his left knee.

"I feel good," McGrady said. "I've been battling to get back to rare form for two years, coming off of microfracture surgery, and it's been a tough road. But I feel pretty good compared to my last game I played in New York.

"I was still going through the rehab process, and I'm definitely a long ways away from what I used to look like. So I'm very, very confident in what I'm going to be coming up in this upcoming season."

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"I'm very excited about the opportunity," McGrady said of playing with Rose. "If I do choose to come here, he'd definitely be the best point guard I've played with. The guy is very explosive. He's getting better every year. He's improving his jump shot. He's just a great young talent who has a tremendous upside to be a great player in this league."

McGrady thinks he would have no problem fitting in with the Bulls' young core.

"I fit in well," he said. "I just bring what I know about the game and my athleticism, and my versatility, knowing my smarts for the game, my leadership, just everything I can add to help these guys get over the edge.

"Without me, without Boozer, they're a .500 ball club. And with the guys that they added, if they add me, I think we'll be 30 points better. I think we'll be a better defensive team with Thibodeau, who I played with for three years. So [the Bulls] have a really good chance of being good. The city should be excited about this team."

The Bulls courted McGrady as a free agent in 2000, but after much fanfare he decided to sign with his hometown Orlando Magic. Ten years later, the fact that he may end up in Chicago was not lost on him.

"It's a great city, sports town, great fan base, great team, first class organization, what's not to like about playing for the Bulls?" he said. "I had the opportunity back in 2000, but I chose to go home. It's a full circle, here I am." McGrady said he is not worried about the perception that he may not be a solid influence in the Chicago locker room.

"You can't worry about that," he said. "Again, Thibodeau was with me for three years, so if I was a bad locker room guy I don't think he would have had any interest in bringing me here, if I was that type of player.

"There comes a time when people like to say a lot of negative things about a player that's really not even true. I don't even worry about that, I go on. People know me. A lot of people around this league know me and know I'm not that type of person."
Hell with it. Sign him. If he's being cocky, maybe he legitimately can believe in himself and pull something together. If the Bulls want to compete with the Heat this year, they need some serious miracles, and a solid McGrady season would count.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
That doesn't sound like a guy that would like coming off the bench to be a role player to me. I think he thinks he's still got it. I don't know what he means by the whole 30 points better thing. Is he talking percentage points better? idk.. T-Mac doesn't really fill a need for us so I wouldn't care if we pass on him.
SoxFan1
I think he means they'll score 30 more points a game.
eddog2
I think he's talking win percentage. He is confident in his abilities and I think he is saying that with adding Boozer and a healthy T-Mac they'd be close to a 80% winning percentage (above 60 wins). If T-Mac is anything close to what he used to be that is a for sure possibility.

I think T-Mac is saying that he's willing to come off the bench but that he also does not think that should be a given. He wants to compete for the starting job. I would too if I were once an all-star and had to compete against Brewer/Korver/Deng for a starting spot.

All of you act like T-Mac's career is for sure over and that you only want him if he is a bench player. His career may very well be over but we should want him to compete to become a starter b/c at the very least it will make everyone play that much harder. We don't have a for sure SG and Deng isn't that reliable on the injury front either so T-Mac if he's healthier should be able to at least battle for the starting SG spot and hopefully he's good enough to battle for minutes at SF.

T-Mac had a bad year last year but he was just coming off a major surgery. Players have bounced back from such injuries in the past and if he is working out as he indicates he is it is likely that he should have more movement/athleticism this year. Will he ever be the T-Mac of old? Probably not. But if he is healthier and more mobile there he probably is a more well rounder scorer/passer than any SG on our roster. Bring him in with the understanding that he is a bench player but don't rule out the possibility of him becoming a starter if he proves he deserves it. The last thing you need is for him to outplay Brewer/Korver (both bench talents) and then not get a chance to become a starter.
SoxFan1
QUOTE (eddog2 @ Jul 26 2010, 06:48 PM) *
I think he's talking win percentage. He is confident in his abilities and I think he is saying that with adding Boozer and a healthy T-Mac they'd be close to a 80% winning percentage (above 60 wins). If T-Mac is anything close to what he used to be that is a for sure possibility.

I think T-Mac is saying that he's willing to come off the bench but that he also does not think that should be a given. He wants to compete for the starting job. I would too if I were once an all-star and had to compete against Brewer/Korver/Deng for a starting spot.

All of you act like T-Mac's career is for sure over and that you only want him if he is a bench player. His career may very well be over but we should want him to compete to become a starter b/c at the very least it will make everyone play that much harder. We don't have a for sure SG and Deng isn't that reliable on the injury front either so T-Mac if he's healthier should be able to at least battle for the starting SG spot and hopefully he's good enough to battle for minutes at SF.

T-Mac had a bad year last year but he was just coming off a major surgery. Players have bounced back from such injuries in the past and if he is working out as he indicates he is it is likely that he should have more movement/athleticism this year. Will he ever be the T-Mac of old? Probably not. But if he is healthier and more mobile there he probably is a more well rounder scorer/passer than any SG on our roster. Bring him in with the understanding that he is a bench player but don't rule out the possibility of him becoming a starter if he proves he deserves it. The last thing you need is for him to outplay Brewer/Korver (both bench talents) and then not get a chance to become a starter.

If he's talking win %, that's .530, which is 43 1/2 wins.
eddog2
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26 2010, 07:22 PM) *
If he's talking win %, that's .530, which is 43 1/2 wins.


If he's talking win % it's 30 points which is .500 + .300 = .80 = 66 wins. But I don't think he literally meant 66 wins just that we would be significantly better with all of our additions (Boozer being the main one) + him
SoxFan1
QUOTE (eddog2 @ Jul 26 2010, 08:58 PM) *
If he's talking win % it's 30 points which is .500 + .300 = .80 = 66 wins. But I don't think he literally meant 66 wins just that we would be significantly better with all of our additions (Boozer being the main one) + him

That doesn't make sense.

And either way, we all know you're McGrady's #1 fan. I'm not really against it, but I don't love it.
Steve9347
QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26 2010, 10:34 PM) *
And either way, we all know you're McGrady's #1 fan. I'm not really against it, but I don't love it.

You don't even know the half of it. Edwin has a McGrady Rockets jersey, and he's a die-hard Bulls fan. This kid looooooves T-Mac.
truthandbasketball
I want McGrady simply because the upside is HUGE.

Look at the careers of Steve Nash and Grant Hill.
People thought they were past it and then they found a second wind in Phoenix and Orlando that gave new life to their game. These guys still both contribute to their team. T-Mac for 3 million is a daring investment and worth the reward should he somehow find the fountain of youth at the UC!!!! Playing in MJ's house night in night out should inspire him to dig deeper. Pull the trigger and call it an offseason!
Steve9347
Tribune reports the Bulls are unlikely to sign T-Mac and that while he shot the ball well yesterday, conditioning and lateral movement were subpar.

No surprises here.
Balta1701-B
Sun Times gives a different impression.
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During his workout Monday at the Berto Center, Tracy McGrady showed he has made physical progress since last season and is capable of being a contributor to the Bulls next season, according to a source.

But despite the seven-time All-Star being physically able to fill the secondary bench role the team is looking for, the Bulls' brass isn't yet convinced McGrady will be a good fit after meeting with him following the workout the source said.
Steve9347
The impression I get from both articles is that there will be no T-Mac in a Bulls uniform.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
I think the Bulls need to think about this for a minute. How many teams are successful with an 10-11 man rotation? Skiles always did it with us and it failed miserably because we never had any chemistry. We don't need anymore guys that expect minutes. After Kurt Thomas, the rest of the guys need to be bench scrubs or NBDL talent. We are perfectly fine with our current roster and rotation now, we don't need Tracy McGrady.
Sanitarium
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jul 27 2010, 11:14 AM) *
I think the Bulls need to think about this for a minute. How many teams are successful with an 10-11 man rotation? Skiles always did it with us and it failed miserably because we never had any chemistry. We don't need anymore guys that expect minutes. After Kurt Thomas, the rest of the guys need to be bench scrubs or NBDL talent. We are perfectly fine with our current roster and rotation now, we don't need Tracy McGrady.


we need young guys that can hopefully learn in practice and hopefully contribute in the future
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (Sanitarium @ Jul 27 2010, 11:38 AM) *
we need young guys that can hopefully learn in practice and hopefully contribute in the future

I'm not sure how much that Helps the Bulls. The Heat will presumably have at least 1, if not 2 MLE-level seasons after this one, plus a heap of expiring contracts. They're likely to get better in the 2012-2013 season than they were in 2010-2011, not worse. On top of that, Boozer will be 29 this season and 31 next season. If the Bulls want to compete...this is as good of a shot as they get.
rockren
QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 27 2010, 12:54 PM) *
I'm not sure how much that Helps the Bulls. The Heat will presumably have at least 1, if not 2 MLE-level seasons after this one, plus a heap of expiring contracts. They're likely to get better in the 2012-2013 season than they were in 2010-2011, not worse. On top of that, Boozer will be 29 this season and 31 next season. If the Bulls want to compete...this is as good of a shot as they get.


How about no?

Having a 21 year-old superstar suggests otherwise IMO.
rockren
QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ Jul 27 2010, 10:14 AM) *
I think the Bulls need to think about this for a minute. How many teams are successful with an 10-11 man rotation? Skiles always did it with us and it failed miserably because we never had any chemistry. We don't need anymore guys that expect minutes. After Kurt Thomas, the rest of the guys need to be bench scrubs or NBDL talent. We are perfectly fine with our current roster and rotation now, we don't need Tracy McGrady.


The Bulls have thought about this for a minute and I believe they'll use your proposed logic and NOT sign T-Mac.

McGrady had his chance in 2000...he can go ride skirt tails in Miami for all I care.
Balta1701-B
It sounds like the bulls didn't like his public statements at all. Stein.
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Bulls haven't ruled out T-Mac

As of Friday morning, Chicago had not completely ruled out the signing of Tracy McGrady.

Miami’s signing of Eddie House extinguished one of the Bulls’ other prime options and thus helped keep alive the possibility of McGrady scoring the deal from the Bulls that he so badly wants, as chronicled here. Chicago, though, continues to look at other options such as Keith Bogans and Roger Mason.

Sources close to the process, as they did Monday after McGrady’s workout and sitdown with team officials, continue to describe the prospect of a T-Mac signing as “unlikely” after he spoke at length -- to the media and apparently those officials as well -- of his intent to try to force his way into a prominent role with the Bulls when they were looking for him to show a blanket willingness to accept a limited role.

If the Bulls ultimately do relent and commit to a T-Mac experiment, since they do need another scoring threat on the perimeter, it’s believed that they will insist on McGrady accepting a non-guaranteed deal for next season so they can let him go at any time without financial hesitation if they deem the experiment to be failing.
Sanitarium
this sounds too risky. t-mac had basically 8 years of being 'the man' with orlando and houston. the bulls are rose's team and he needs to accept that if he wants to play here
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