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Steve9347
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baske...0,4190684.story

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Report: Bulls in talks for Fernandez
Paper says they have interest in Blazers' swingman

10:50 PM CDT, July 27, 2010

The Oregonian reported Tuesday night that the Bulls are among three teams engaged in trade talks with the Trail Blazers for swingman Rudy Fernandez.

Fernandez, long rumored to be available, also is being linked to talks with the Celtics and Knicks, the paper reported, citing Fernandez's agent, Andy Miller.

The Bulls still are seeking to add outside shooting for their 12th contracted player after witnessing an underwhelming workout from Tracy McGrady on Monday. The Bulls also have had conversations with representatives for shooting guards like Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr. and Eddie House, sources previously told the Tribune.

The Bulls have been offering 2009 first-round pick James Johnson all offseason, although the Trail Blazers have shown little interest in Johnson in the past and other parts would be needed to make those salaries match.

Fernandez, 25, has shot 38.7 percent from 3-point range in his two NBA seasons since leaving his native Spain.

Meanwhile, veteran coach Bernie Bickerstaff, who spent the last two seasons with the Bulls, has been named an assistant on Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan's staff.

K.C. Johnson
truthandbasketball
Seems like it will happen quickly no matter where he lands...

"At the urging of Rudy Fernandez and his agent, the Trail Blazers have engaged in accelerated trade discussions to deal the disgruntled, once-popular shooting guard to one of three Eastern Conference teams.


Boston, Chicago and New York are all in the running to land the 6-foot-6 Spaniard, who set an NBA rookie record two seasons ago by making 159 three-pointers."



http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbe...g_for_a_fa.html

Bulls in trade talks with Blazers for Fernandez
July 27, 2010 10:17 PM
By K.C. Johnson

The Oregonian reported Tuesday night that the Bulls are among three teams engaged in trade talks with the Trail Blazers for swingman Rudy Fernandez.

Fernandez, long rumored to be available, also is being linked to talks with the Celtics and Knicks, the paper reported, citing Fernandez's agent, Andy Miller.

The Bulls are still seeking to add outside shooting for their 12th contracted player after witnessing an underwhelming workout by Tracy McGrady on Monday. The Bulls also have had conversations with representatives for shooting guards like Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr. and Eddie House, sources previously told the Tribune.

The Bulls have been offering 2009 first-round pick James Johnson all offseason, although the Trail Blazers have shown little interest in Johnson in the past and other parts would be needed to make those salaries match.

Fernandez, 25, has shot 38.7 percent from 3-point range in his two NBA seasons since leaving his native Spain.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...-fernandez.html
Sanitarium
this would be big. he definately wouldnt rot at the end of the bench here. we'd have a legit backup at every position now

im not sure what we could offer besides JJ and draft picks
Balta1701-B
So how could the Bulls actually make the contracts work out? Steve? Suggestions?
Steve9347
QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jul 28 2010, 09:50 AM) *
So how could the Bulls actually make the contracts work out? Steve? Suggestions?

I don't really know Portland's needs, but I know Przybilla was on the block in a Deng deal... so expand it.

Add picks coming from the Bulls if need be. This expands on the previous rumors.



Or, simplify the trade.

DutheDoduhon21
there is no way the bulls would trade taj for rudy. we would have a really solid guard rotation with him in the mix.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
If the Bulls traded Taj Gibson for Rudy freaking Fernandez, that will be one of the worst trades this FO has ever done in recent history. There are no minutes for him here. Losing Taj means we have no backup PF and with Boozer's injury history that's a horrible idea. I pray that our FO isn't dumb enough to give them Taj.
Sanitarium
well as long as we are using espn trade machine:

rockren
Word is Rudy wants to return playing professionally in Spain. If Rudy didn't pan out for McMillan, I doubt he pans out for Thibs (if Thibs is the D first guy we expect him to be). I could see JJ and a future 1st being enough to land Rudy, but the market may not even be that high for him.

If the Bulls get him...great. If they don't....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
eddog2
Batum/Fernandez/Przybilla & either Cunningham or Pendergraph for Deng/Gibson & a future 1st.

Bulls should be all over this one. I know we'd be giving up Deng & Taj who are both high quality players but this deal clears up future cap space while also giving us 2 young studs & another very nice defensive big man. The Bulls reportedly tried to trade Deng for Przybilla and someone last year so the deal makes sense. I know that the Blazers value Batum pretty high and righfully so but maybe Deng/Gibson & a 1st makes them willing to part with him.

I think Batum fits our system much better than Deng. Batum is a defensive player that is very unselfish. Him and Brewer on our team would be very nice. Plus Batum hits the 3 at a very nice %. He's not a chucker but he is an unselfish reliable shooter who would fit nicely in our system. I think he's capable of guarding 3's and 2's which is also a nice thing to have. He might even be able to play some 4 when we want to go small.

Noah/Przybilla/Asik/
Boozer/Asik
Batum/Korver
Rudy/Brewer/Korver/
Rose/Watson

If we make this deal I think we then go out and sign a backup 4 and we end our great offseason makeover.

This deal might not happen before the season but if Rudy stays on Portland during the 1st half (which doesn't seem likely at this point) I think a deal b/w the Bulls and Blazers becomes a lot easier b/c then they can add players like Kurt Thomas, Watson, Brewer, Korver into the mix and I'm sure they can find a package that works for the Blazers that includes Deng.
SoxFan1
QUOTE (eddog2 @ Jul 29 2010, 06:01 AM) *
Batum/Fernandez/Przybilla & either Cunningham or Pendergraph for Deng/Gibson & a future 1st.

Bulls should be all over this one. I know we'd be giving up Deng & Taj who are both high quality players but this deal clears up future cap space while also giving us 2 young studs & another very nice defensive big man. The Bulls reportedly tried to trade Deng for Przybilla and someone last year so the deal makes sense. I know that the Blazers value Batum pretty high and righfully so but maybe Deng/Gibson & a 1st makes them willing to part with him.

I think Batum fits our system much better than Deng. Batum is a defensive player that is very unselfish. Him and Brewer on our team would be very nice. Plus Batum hits the 3 at a very nice %. He's not a chucker but he is an unselfish reliable shooter who would fit nicely in our system. I think he's capable of guarding 3's and 2's which is also a nice thing to have. He might even be able to play some 4 when we want to go small.

Noah/Przybilla/Asik/
Boozer/Asik
Batum/Korver
Rudy/Brewer/Korver/
Rose/Watson

If we make this deal I think we then go out and sign a backup 4 and we end our great offseason makeover.

This deal might not happen before the season but if Rudy stays on Portland during the 1st half (which doesn't seem likely at this point) I think a deal b/w the Bulls and Blazers becomes a lot easier b/c then they can add players like Kurt Thomas, Watson, Brewer, Korver into the mix and I'm sure they can find a package that works for the Blazers that includes Deng.

Put down the XBox controller. That deal is so insanely in the Bulls favor it's funny. We give them an overpaid SF for their young star SF who actually has range, and we give them a backup PF and a 1st for Rudy and a backup C?

The Blazers turned down the 4th overall pick for Batum. He's 21 and they love him.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
Another thing that should be noted is Rudy can always leave and play for Spain, and has said more than once that he's tempted to go back there if he is not satisfied with how he fits in Portland. Rudy averaged 24 mpg as a Blazer and is unhappy about it, I don't see how he gets anywhere close to that if he comes to the Bulls. Even if he were to come here and play, at the end of the season if he isn't basically given the starting job or isn't given the minutes he thinks he deserves he'll just leave and we'll lose out on yet another 1st round pick and maybe James Johnson.
eddog2
I think Portland has always liked Deng so I don't think they'd mind trading for him. I do agree that the deal was in the Bulls favor but they also would be getting 2 players that might not be with the team long term.

Deng/Taj/#1 for Batum is a might high payment even if Deng does get paid well. The changes of them keeping Rudy and Przybilla long term are not good so they might as well capitalize on it if they can. Maybe the Bulls could make the pot even better by adding another #1 or a 2nd rounder. But to think they are going to get a better deal for Rudy isn't likely even if they have to give up Batum. Batum is good but he's no superstar. Taj would fit in perfect as their backup 4. Deng would fit in perfect as the SF and they could land some picks in the deal.

As for Rudy not deserving 24mpg on the Bulls people need to stop with that talk. Rudy is much better than any SG currently on our team. He's a great shooter and passer. Sure he can improve defensively but I think under Tom T. he'd work on that and we'd be a much better all around team with him in the lineup b/c of the problems he causes on offense.
Chicago Bulls Franchise
QUOTE (eddog2 @ Jul 30 2010, 06:44 PM) *
As for Rudy not deserving 24mpg on the Bulls people need to stop with that talk. Rudy is much better than any SG currently on our team. He's a great shooter and passer. Sure he can improve defensively but I think under Tom T. he'd work on that and we'd be a much better all around team with him in the lineup b/c of the problems he causes on offense.

Better as what? A shooter? Yeah. But after that I beg to differ..

Career FG%

Brewer .521
Fernandez .406

*True* Shooting %

Brewer .571
Fernandez .569

PER

Brewer 15.8
Fernandez 14.4

PPG

Brewer 10.3
Fernandez 9.4


Rudy didn't even clip 40% from the field this year. Most people overlook the fact that Brewer can't shoot the 3, but he gets to the basket and finishes at the rim at a high % and it reflects in his FG%. As an offensive player you have two totally different players but Ronnie Brewer is the more efficient scorer and deserves to start. No need to bring up defense, that's pretty obvious who has the edge there. People overrate Rudy Fernandez like crazy, especially Portland (Which comes as no surprise because all they do is over-value their assets). He's an okay player but he's nothing special and there is nothing that would suggest to me that he deserves to start over Brewer.
eddog2
I'm not arguing that Brewer is a good fit b/c I like him a lot. He's who I wanted the Bulls to draft but instead they took Thabo (Aka Swiss Chocolate). But what can't be overlooked is that Rudy has always been Roys backup and hasn't been given the consistent minutes to be more effective. He's a more capable offensive player than the numbers show bc he's basically only been a 3 point shooter in Portland and he's really never played with a great point guard (Miller) being the best. So I am pretty confident that playing with Rose he'd become a more dynamic player whereas Brewer has already played with Williams/Boozer so he'll be roughly he same guy unless he's serious about becoming a 3pt threat. I'm glad the Bulls got Brewer and Korver bit they could really use another 3pt threat and someone as talented offensively as Rudy. I truly think he's capable of averaging 18ppg if he gets 34+min.

Rose 20ppg
Boozer 20ppg
Rudy 18ppg
Deng 16ppg

That's the kind of offensive breakdown I want to see next year.
Sanitarium
just read that the bulls are offering james johnson and a 1st round pick and thats basically their only offer because theyre not trading taj
rockren
QUOTE (Sanitarium @ Aug 9 2010, 04:04 PM) *
just read that the bulls are offering james johnson and a 1st round pick and thats basically their only offer because theyre not trading taj


I don't see how the Bulls could offer anymore than that for a player that wants to be traded with the team wanting to trade that player.

In reference to the scenario, I believe that is a more than fair offer for Rudy. If the Blazers don't think so...they'll just have to keep him disgruntled on the bench. I don't see the Bulls throwing a 1st Rounder in due to Rudy wanting to go back and play in Spain anyway.
Balta1701-B
QUOTE (rockren @ Aug 10 2010, 12:15 AM) *
I don't see the Bulls throwing a 1st Rounder in due to Rudy wanting to go back and play in Spain anyway.

The other thing worth noting...one reason why there are trade talks around him in the first place is that he's unhappy with the 25 minutes or so he's been getting in Portland's backcourt. Think he'll get more than that with Rose and company on this team?
Balta1701-B
Fernandez doesn't think the U.S. game is worthy of his talents.
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Portland Trail Blazers guard Rudy Fernandez(notes) wants to return to Europe and no longer has interest in being traded to another NBA team, his agent said Wednesday.

Fernandez has been unhappy with his limited role with the Blazers and had his agent Andy Miller request a trade from the franchise three months ago. Miller said about 15 teams have expressed interest in the Spanish guard, most notably the Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls, but talks have slowed because the Blazers have asked for too much in return.

Now, Miller said Fernandez is “homesick” and no longer has any interest in playing in the NBA.

“He has indicated he would like to return to Europe to continue his basketball career,” Miller told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday. “He is more comfortable in Europe. He’d rather be in Europe than the NBA. He understands the circumstances in which he wouldn’t be coming back. I don’t see any scenario in which he’d want to be back.”

Fernandez can’t play in Europe until his contract ends or the Blazers free him from it. He is scheduled to make $1.2 million this season and the Blazers have a $2.2 million option for the 2011-12 season.

Miller said Fernandez is seeking an “amicable divorce” from the Blazers, but he also told The Oregonian – which first reported the story – that Fernandez is prepared to sit out the season and face a possible suspension.

Blazers general manager Rich Cho told Yahoo! Sports that at this time he has no plans of releasing Fernandez from his contract.

“I’ve spoken to Rudy’s agent and I’m aware of his feelings,” Cho said. “At the end of the day we’ll make the best decision for the organization.”

When asked if there’s any trade scenario Fernandez would consider, Miller said: “I honestly don’t believe so – no, I certainly don’t think so.”
Balta1701-B
The NBA is now investigating whether Rudy has violated league rules by threatening a holdout and publicly issuing a trade demand.

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A league source told ESPN.com that in late June, several teams with draft picks in the teens offered to send their pick to Portland for Fernandez, but the Blazers -- who were being run by then-general manager Kevin Pritchard -- declined.

The Celtics and Bulls have since offered their No. 1 picks in 2011, the source said, and the Knicks have offered shooting guard Wilson Chandler. But with more than a month remaining until the start of NBA training camps, Cho is waiting to see what else becomes available.
rockren
QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Aug 19 2010, 04:06 PM) *
The NBA is now investigating whether Rudy has violated league rules by threatening a holdout and publicly issuing a trade demand.


If the Bullies did indeed offer their #1...they must have wanted him really bad. I'm glad it worked out the way it did, I like Ronnie Brewer better anyway.
eddog2
Fernandez is a better player (shooter/scorer/passer) and less expensive than most mid-level 1 pick talents plus he already has experience and would have been a huge plus to our team. Instead we'll wait til next year and hope our mid-1st turns into something or we'll trade it mid-season as part of another package.
Quinarvy
If Rudy feels that way, I'd still rather have Xavier Henry a world more.
Balta1701-B
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Why did the Blazers resist Chicago's determination to trade for swingman Rudy Fernandez before the season started?

Sources with knowledge of the negotiations told ESPN.com that Portland was prepared to part with the Spaniard in September if the Bulls would have relinquished the first-round pick they acquired from Charlotte for Tyrus Thomas. That pick is lottery-protected in the 2012 draft, but is only protected 1-to-12 in 2013, 1-to-10 in 2014 and 1-7 in 2015.

The Bulls, though, have other first-round picks to peddle and were only prepared to surrender one of their lesser first-rounders in exchange for Fernandez, who wound up shooting the ball fantastically well in the preseason and is widely presumed to be harder to pry away from Portland now despite his well-chronicled determination to relocate.

The New York Post's Peter Vecsey reported earlier this month that Fernandez wants to play in an NBA city that has direct flights to his native Spain more than he wants to return to European ball. I've heard the same, which is apparently why New York, Boston and Chicago have topped Rudy's wish list all along.

Yet as Professor Hollinger explained over the weekend when the Blazers dealt Jerryd Bayless to New Orleans, Fernandez is one of the many trade assets Portland has hoarded in hopes of making a big, Melo-sized score. Not hard to imagine them keeping Fernandez until a blockbuster materializes.
One thing Stein doesn't note here...if the Bulls were to make a deal for a big name like Melo...that pick they didn't want to trade here would probably be a key asset in that type of deal also. I.e. if the Bulls moved that pick for Fernandez, that could kill the Bulls' chances at dealing for Melo.
rockren
QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Oct 30 2010, 03:15 PM) *
One thing Stein doesn't note here...if the Bulls were to make a deal for a big name like Melo...that pick they didn't want to trade here would probably be a key asset in that type of deal also. I.e. if the Bulls moved that pick for Fernandez, that could kill the Bulls' chances at dealing for Melo.


I got all excited when I saw this thread pulled again and thought maybe it was scenario in which Deng was traded.
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