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hmm.. interesting. I bet you he will go...

PG Hinrich
SG Deng
SF Noc
PF Tyson
C Schensher

I wouldnt mind seeing that lineup. With Duhons back injury to go along with O's Knee problems and Maliks legs I bet you that LUUUUKEEE Starts and I hope he does. The kid deserves it, and I watch him on defense and he tries harder than ne body on the team along with Noc of course, He made a sweet Azz move on JO yesterday with that hook shot. It sounds like skiles isnt very happy with Ben or Tyson stating, "Ben, and Tyson gave us sparks off the bench last year". I think if Gordon sits, it will be the end of his era as a Bulls.

actually I bet he might put Sweets in there for Tyson if hes that upset with him. Chandler has definatley regressed since his big month long run.

Can we go with a 4-man lineup?

Id go with a lineup of

PG Pargo
SG Livingston
SF Piatkowski
PF Sweets
C Schensher

I wouldn't mind seeing what Deng can do at SG... you know ben is getting pulled... I better change my pick to click...

It can only make us bigger, some people have Noc at PF? he cant play that, it would make us so small. Ya I definatley see Gordon being benched.

that will for sure get us that top 5 pick we want with our pick

I actually like that lineup. Sadly Luke may be our best low post scorer on the team (in terms of a legit big man and not an undersized one that takes a bunch of jumpers). Plus he provides a lot of length.

Noc and Deng should have been playing together a long time ago, imo. We will be a much improved defensive unit and I think we'll play better as a team. The best part is with Noc and Deng, we will have a starting lineup that is willing to drive to the basket (as is Hinrich) which may make us a little less perimeter oriented.

My main problem with BG is that when he's in the game the team shifts to a jump shooting mentality and they tend to stand more still.

Nah, he's more dangerous off the bench anyway. Realistically thats what he is and the Bulls need to get rid of him for something more for that before the rest of the league figures that out.

Found this post in the thread you linked... this is an interesting point....

Yeah, but we would still beat the Knicks

Also if Luke starts, he will be on the bench in about two minutes in foul trouble.

Maybe.... But to me, its worth a shot.

Just take out Malik for Noc, and then get Ben's ass out for Duhon.

Duhon
Kirk
Deng
Noc
Tyson

If you think Ben starting over Duhon is our problem than your clearly mistaken.

Since I said that anywhere

Do you just infer things out of nowhere?

Of course he's not mistaken.

Duhon's smarts and hustle are underrated by Bulls fans. He makes great decisions when he has the ball in his hands, and while he may hoist up a questionable 3 point shot every now and then, the positives far outweigh the negatives when he is getting meaningful minutes for us.

He is one hell of a combo guard. He can stick opposing PGs, as opposed to Ben Gordon. He's just an invaluable bench player on a championship squad, and with our current roster, we are as good as we can possibly be with him starting and Gordon coming in off of the bench as a 3 point specialist. Ben has shown plenty of promise in that particular area.

I Duhon.

And on that questionable 3's note...Why does he seem to make more of the stupid ones than the wide open ones?

Good point. I just can't stand it when he's a couple of feet behind the 3 point line & he's hoisting up crazy freaking shots, but I'll live with it.

Although, in fairness to Duhon, the shot clock is almost always winding down when he takes those types of shots, and him and Tyson are pretty much the last guys on the team that should be expected to score in such critical situations.

With a low-post scorer, Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon chillin' behind the 3 point line, maybe Duhon won't be forced to take those types of shots next year.

It doesn't really matter what he shoots, open or not, he can't hit any of them. He has a great midrange jumper, but that extra few feet just kills him for some reason. He needs to go home and do the Larry Bird practice and hoist about 500 a day.

well since you said get Ben's ass out of there for Duhon id say its a fair assumption you think that 1. Ben is part of the problem, 2. Duhon would be part of the solution, or 3. Both.

I love having Deng start at SG and Noch at SF...instead of being undersized, we would be able to compete at those positions...I think the Shawn Bradley, I mean Tyson Chandler, has seen his last days in chicago. I think both he and Gordon will be traded this offseason and we will use them to pick up a veteran low post player. I really think if Deng can play SG, and we play Noch at SF, this team could be very dangerous next year once we add 3 low post players through draft and FA>

If Chandler leaves, then we are fucked. Defense and rebounding in the paint is without question the way to go in this league. Check out your championship teams (Pistons, Spurs). His talent is immense. He's only 23 years old, and since January 21st, he is the best in the NBA in Rebounds-Per-Minute and Offensive-Rebounds-Per-Minute. Skiles just doesn't know how to use him.

Name a 7'0+ player in the NBA who is quicker than Tyson. Shawn Bradley is the slowest player in the history of the NBA. There is no comparison.

Check out the portfolio: A 7'1 player with rare quickness, length, wingspan, determination/work ethic, mean streak, etc.

He's cut out for the PF slot, as he weighs 235 pounds, which is a good 25 pounds shy of what your prototypical C weighs. Don't be one of those people that can't see the beast, or potential beast. Get a coach in here who knows what he's doing, and you will be amazed. Put a scoring option next to him in the paint. Keep in mind that he's down there all alone playing out of position!

Also keep in mind that defense never slumps. His impact is overlooked on a game-by-game basis. Again, Skiles and Paxson are severely retarded & they make Tyson look worse, despite the NBA best rebounding ratios since January 21.

Size ain't everything. Deng just doesn't have the foot speed to stick opposing SGs. And really, Nocioni is not quick enough to guard prototypical SFs. We'd be worse off defensively. Team like Cleveland and Milwaukee would have a field day! Redd, Simmons, Lebron, and Hughes would all clear 30 a piece, and that's just within our division.

You make that move, and you get rid of Tyson? We might as well be the Supersonics without scoring punch. What would our record be? 12-70 or something.

Chandler is going NOWHERE wether ne of us like it or not cuz of his freaking idiotic Contract. Two Words, GARANTEED MONEY!! Thats all tyson wants is his money wich he got and since the money is garanteed in the NBA nobody plays hard, and that is my reason why the NBA is absolutley pathetic these days, nobody plays defense ne more and nobody can shoot like they used to. You used to see NBA games easily night in and night out be a 121-115 game. Tyson better step up or we maay even cut him years down the road. His trade value is almost ZERO now.

So how does saying Ben is part of the problem and Duhon is part of the solution equate to saying it is our entire problem.

Chandler doesn't play hard? That's a load of crap. Work ethic amongst this core is not the problem at the moment. It's called a lack of talent at crucial positions (SG, C) and the lack of a big perimiter defender, not to mention the fact that our coach has proven to be somewhat incompetent and the management just sucks.

Tyson is known for his work ethic. He practices hard, and he plays hard. I don't know what Bulls team you're following. If anything, he is too aggressive for his own good at times. It's all about harnessing that aggressiveness, which is something that Skiles thinks can be accomplished if Tyson is pulled for the half immediately after his second foul less than halfway through the second quarter. I think that's a bunch of bullshit, though. You don't punish a guy for being overly aggressive.

And fish the money, I seriously couldn't care less. Tyson is a nice investment given the path to success in the NBA. You build with defense and rebounding, and Tyson has legendary defensive upside. Look at your championship caliber squads in this league. There is a common theme.

Maybe you should think less about the money and more about the actual game being played, because labeling Tyson as a guy who doesn't want to work hard is just nuts.

What i was implying is that replacing Gordon with Duhon who is a bench player wont do any good... and than you responded with what you did.

How do you figure?

The offense runs much more smoothly with Duhon running the show.

except nobody can score....

Noch can guard any sf in the nba...he has problems at PF bc he is undersized. To bad he can't grow 4 inches...he would be amazing at PF then...

Anyways, I have just given up on Chandler. 5 years in the nba and he still plays like a rookie.

lol actually he plays worst then them lol Its so sad...

You really think that Nocioni can guard a talented scoring SF out on the perimiter? There's just no way that he has that type of foot speed. He's much better defensively when he is closer to the rim, as he can bang a little bit. He is an undersized PF through and through.

And of course, you were surprised last night when Chandler grabbed 21 rebounds and played terrific defense, correct?

Remember, he's leading the league in Rebounds-Per-Minute and Offensive-Rebounds-Per-Minute since January 21st, and he's only 23 years old. But he's playing worse that a rookie, right?