Ben Wallace, C
P.J. Brown, PF-C
Michael Sweetney, PF-C
Malik Allen, PF
Eddie Basden, SG
Luol Deng, SF
Chris Duhon, G
Ben Gordon, G
Kirk Hinrich, PG
Viktor Khryapa, F
Andres Nocioni, F
Luke Schenscher, C
Thabo Sefolosha, G-F
Tyrus Thomas, F
Adrian Griffin, G-F
Miles, PG
Banks, G

Did I miss anyone?

Anyway, who stays and who goes, in your opinion?

Well, three of those guys have to go. My guess is Schenscher and at least one of Miles and Banks, possibly both. Basden could be gone as well.

Adrian Griffin over J.R. Smith..............

I'm as upset as you. I guess Pax really wanted those 2 second round picks back...

More so it was the only way to get Griffin who he obviously wanted badly. It appears Pax really wants some strong, quality veterans to go around his young nucleus. You really cna't blame him for that. I also think he feels that from talking to Smith that he just wasn't the right fit for this club.

I will say this, the Nuggets got the more talented player but Pax obviously didn't want him.

I don't get this. You trade a young guy like J.R. Smith and replace him with Adrian Griffin? Sorry, but i can't help but shake my head again.

What's that suppose to mean?

I agree, the Nuggets did get the more talented player. Not to sound like Hawk here, but where would JR have played?! Clearly the Bulls are very high of Sefalosha and as such, JR Smith is the 5th guard in the backcourt. And there is no way a 20 year old with a questionable attitude is getting past Noc or Deng in the lineup.

I like this move for one major reason, it shows that Pax understands the way championship teams are built. If you put too many guys on the same team that want the ball, it leads to chemistry problems because there arent enough shots to go around. Pax is creating a good mix of players that can score with players that defend and get after it like crazy.

No Adrian Griffin is not a star, but he is a blue collar player that good teams in the NBA need. Sorry to see JR go because he has loads of potential, but I'm very happy with the direction of this team.

Adrian Griffin should of stayed with the Mavs.

Excellent post. People you have to quit thinking in terms of just statistics. Stats don't win games, hell it isn't even always talent that wins games. Its guys knowing how to play the game and maximize their abilities.

i think that it was a good move because they get a vetern that can lead the team and also help out some of our young core. so they have P.J. and Wallace for the young centers and they have griffen and Howard Eisley for the young guards. it was a good move and we will get better from it.


Exactly look what we did when AD was here he gave us leadership and he helped the team out. and did not have that much talent like some of these other players but he was good in his own way.

So, we have different opinions on this. To me, i hate this trade and signing of Griffin.

Think Rotoworld got it down good....

Here's how depth chart ought to break down

Active roster (12 players)

Hinrich/Duhon/Thabo
Gordon/Thabo/Griffin
Deng/Noc/Tyrus
PJ/Sweets/Tyrus
Wallace/PJ/Malik

3 inactive roster spots:
Khryapa
Schensher/Pasolic (we need to have 1 7fter on the roster)
Basden (IF his contract is guaranteed, which i think it is. Otherwise this will be banks or miles bc if we get a PG injury we will need someone)

I have no doubt miles will be on an nba roster opening night, but i dont know that it will be ours

Do you honestly think that giving away jr smith to sign adrian griffin for 3 years was the best they could possibly do??

Obviously JR Smith has very little value around the NBA, otherwise the Hornets would have gotten more for him instead of making him a throw in on a trade.

I don't hate it at all. If we were to keep Smith, where and when would he play? Its not like we have a bunch of guards that have reached their potential. They are still improving and we don't have time(meaning mins. on the court) to figure out what smith can do. I trust Paxson and Skiles 100%

Was Tyson Chandler plus the loss of PJ Brown the best that the Hornets could do for Smith? it seems to hold up that his worth isn't that great right now.



Exactly. You don't have two GMs dump a guy in a week and ask about his "trade value". If he was that good, he wouldn't have been packing his bags in the first place, let alone again.

The Hornets have been shopping JR Smith for a long time and they haven't gotten jack spiff for an offer. Adrian Griffin+2 2nd rounders for JR Smith? Sign me up.

His trade value is garbage...stop pretending like it's not.

That avitar you have is about all that J.R. is worth.......One highlight dunk!

Exactly. I figure it pretty much summarizes his career.

???

Now you're devaluing tyson even more than I would.

As much as I dislike tyson, I think the trade was a very good gamble for the hornets. Since we wanted and needed to dump salary because we signed wallace, I feel that way gave up more than we got. I still hate him, but a change of scenery, playing with a PG who is gonna be amazing, and being on a team short on size might prove beneficial to him. In short, the hornets did way better in trading jr smith than we did.

And again, my whole question is not being answered. If you think that the best we could do for trading jr smith is giving him up for peanuts and acquiring adrian griffin for three years, that's cool with me. Personally, I don't and would rather have liked to have seen griffin signed for 1 or 2 years if he was truly the best available option. Not to mention the fact that I'm not a big fan of bringing back fringe players...

I think he was talking about Smith.

he was, but by asking if tyson was the best they could do for jr smith, he's basically saying that tyson isn't worth much at all either.

Watch Griffin suck this year. Will see how good he really is.

i did this on the thread that said gooden was close to coming for duhon and sweets...

PG- Hinrich/Pargo/miles
SG Gordon/ Thabo/Baden
SF Noc/Deng/Griffen
PF Gooden/T2/Allen/Khyrapa
C Wallace/Brown/luke

15 man looks really really good if it does go through

No, we already know how good he really is. He is a proven veteran and a good leader.

Sure he is. Shakes my head some more.

Does anyone know if Shawn Marion lives in Chicago? I just saw him working out at Equinox, 900 N. Michigan. He was talking to someone that works there and said he was going somewhere but would be back in a week. FYI, in no way do I think because Marion is working out downtown that he is destined to be a Bull, I was just curious if anyone knew if he lived around here or not.

I'm not sure. He was born in Waukegan though.

Pargo signed with the suns bc they told him he wouldn't have to pass more than twice next year. Plus that's 16 guys anyway. If that deal went through for gooden that would be awesome, but here is what the roster would look like

12man active
Hinrich/Thabo/miles
Gordon/Thabo/Griffin
Deng/Noc/tyrus/griffin
Gooden/brown/Tyrus
wallace/brown/allen

3 inactive spots
khryapa
luke
basden

i could go for that, but it will never happen if gooden wants his 60 mil

He played some ball last summer at De La Salle high school, about a block or 2 away from Comiskey, in a league with a few other Chicago guys like Antoine Walker and Bobby Simmons.

ha my fault bro i just got back from playin baseball in the 90 degree weather my brain must be a lil scrambled here...i thought i heard somethin about pargo goin to the suns

Wasnt JR Smith supposed to be big stuff out of high school. I was kind of excited to see he was involved with the trade even though he seems to be the lesses comodity. He might be a nice little role player considering he wasnt even the main incentive in the trade.

He was a monster in high school. He signed a LOI to go to North Carolina, but he kicked some serious ass in the McDonalds' All-American game. He hit like 6 threes, all of them from the parking lot. He's got a ton of talent, unfortunately he's gone now.

Those that say we may regret dealing Smith are right, there is a possibility this guy goes on to become a superstar cause the talent is there and I'm sure it had to be tough to trade that type of talent.

I just have to think Pax knows what he's doing cause this is the 2nd deal he's made where we lose on talent, than again when we dealt Curry we lost on talent and that deal is looking pretty good right about now.

I'll have to say that I think Pax knows what he's doing. He's got a plan. He's not just making moves to make moves, like some GM's.

Maybe he traded for the 2 2nd rounders b/c we're about to make another trade, and the team we're dealing with wanted the 2nd rounders rather than someone like Khryapa or JR. Who knows? But, it's a possibility.

I imagine we could have gotten more talent for Smith if we tried hard. The big difference is that they talent might not have worked with the system and coaching in Chicago. As I have mentioned a few times before, the New York Knicks are filled with an incredible amount of talent, and look what that got them? You have to have a mix of guys who know their jobs and are willing to do them selflessly. That has been what has gotten the Bulls this far to date, why would you change that and start risking the team chemistry on questionable players with attitude issues?



There are plenty of guys who are big time out of HS that never amount to anything. Tell me what Leon Smith is doing today...