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 May 31 2007, 10:21 AM
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I'm fresh.  Group: Administrator Posts: 1,300 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Lombard, IL Member No.: 131  |
This from Bill Simmons... in the top 7 trade possibilities for Kobe, we're #2 of 7.
Bill Simmons' Top 7 Trades QUOTE Deal No. 2: Chicago trades Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Victor Khryapa and the No. 9 pick for Kobe.
Additional notes: This deal works as long as the Bulls renounce P.J. Brown's rights; also, it means the Lakers would receive a mammoth (and appealing) trade exception in the deal. Comments: This seems like the most natural home for Kobe -- it's a big city; they're a contender in the East; there's enough talent left after the deal to make a run, and even the MJ-Kobe symmetry works nicely -- as well as the best possible haul for the Lakers. The deal could work in a variety of ways: Instead of renouncing Brown's rights, the Bulls could include Andres Nocioni as a sign-and-trade (starting at around $5 million per) and renounce Mike Sweetney's rights instead of Brown's. If they wanted to get even more creative, they could make it Deng, Gordon, P.J. Brown (sign and trade -- one year, $10 million) and the No. 9 for Kobe. They could try to substitute Ty Thomas and a future No. 1 for Deng. Etc., etc., etc. Two big obstacles here: A. Would the Bulls ever give up Deng? The Lakers would have to get him back in a Kobe deal, right? I feel like he's become slightly overrated over the past season -- he's definitely a potential All-Star; he definitely could become the second-best player on a championship-caliber team, but I don't see him getting much better than he is right now. Do you ever see him scoring 27-28 a game? Do you ever see him being the crunch-time scorer on a great team? If you could land Kobe and keep Kirk Hinrich, Ben Wallace, Ty Thomas, Chris Duhon and Thabo Sefolosha, then sign one more veteran to help them out, that's a potential 2008 title team. Isn't the whole point to win a title? B. Would John Paxson ever roll the dice with a mega-deal for someone like Kobe? He seems to be happier stockpiling young assets and waiting for one of these other teams to offer him the likes of KG or Jermaine O'Neal for 30 cents on the dollar. By making a Kobe deal, Paxson would be shoving his chips to the middle of the table ... something he's been completely unwilling to do. We will see. |
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May 31 2007, 11:33 AM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,568 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 21 |
If you trade both Gordon and Deng, plus the #9 pick, you pretty much are surrounding Kobe with the same amount of talent his has in LA.
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May 31 2007, 01:56 PM
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We have to keep one of Deng or Gordon, trading both would just kind of be pointless in my mind. Would effectively make us the Lakers of the East. If we do end up trading both Deng and Gordon id expect Bynum to come our way too. If we got Bynum plus draft lets say Julian Wright maybe we got something.
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May 31 2007, 05:08 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
A number of the 7 trades are quite ridiculous.
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May 31 2007, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (soxfan101 @ May 31 2007, 03:49 PM)  We have to keep one of Deng or Gordon, trading both would just kind of be pointless in my mind. Would effectively make us the Lakers of the East. If we do end up trading both Deng and Gordon id expect Bynum to come our way too. If we got Bynum plus draft lets say Julian Wright maybe we got something. so basically just swap teams with LA? |
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May 31 2007, 08:08 PM
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Skills Competitor Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 1,675 Joined: 14-March 06 Member No.: 52 |
the LA lakers in the eastern conference have a pretty good shot at the best record and reaching the championship :huh
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May 31 2007, 10:11 PM
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Starter Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 994 Joined: 23-March 06 From: Atlanta Member No.: 84 |
QUOTE (soxfan101 @ May 31 2007, 02:49 PM) Would effectively make us the Lakers of the East. I don't necessarily think it would. We would have a better PG (Hinrich>Smush), SF (Nocioni>Walton), and C(Wallace>Bynum) than the Lakers. They have Odom who can play PF better than anyone on our team right now, but having the better of 3 out of 4 positions besides Kobe makes us better. |
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Jun 1 2007, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE (Sanitarium @ May 31 2007, 07:27 PM) so basically just swap teams with LA? No? We would still have Hinrich running the show at PG and Ben Wallace being a stopper at C. Not 2 mention Tyrus Thomas and Thabo who are both very talented individuals. Than you draft a lets say Julian Wright in that scenario who would be another great athlete and bring in a talented big who can score in the paint with Bynum. In LA its Kobe/Odom/Kwame.... That would be one talented roster from the get go and when Kobe/Wallace are fading would be the peak of Thomas, Thabo, Bynum, and Wright. Not 2 mention PG's seem to get better and better for a long while in their careers so Hinrich would still be good. If we could trade Deng, Gordon, Nocioni, and send whatevr else it takes to work salary wise for Kobe and Bynum id do it without a 2nd though. PG:Kirk Hinrich SG:Kobe Bryant SF:Julian Wright PF:Tyrus Thomas C:Ben Wallace bench: PG:Chris Duhon PG/SG/SF: Thabo Sefelosha PF/C:Andrew Bynum We could also use the MLE to bring in more depth, maybe we can bring in someone like SAR. |
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Jun 1 2007, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (soxfan101 @ Jun 1 2007, 07:11 AM) No? We would still have Hinrich running the show at PG and Ben Wallace being a stopper at C. Not 2 mention Tyrus Thomas and Thabo who are both very talented individuals. Than you draft a lets say Julian Wright in that scenario who would be another great athlete and bring in a talented big who can score in the paint with Bynum. In LA its Kobe/Odom/Kwame.... That would be one talented roster from the get go and when Kobe/Wallace are fading would be the peak of Thomas, Thabo, Bynum, and Wright. Not 2 mention PG's seem to get better and better for a long while in their careers so Hinrich would still be good. If we could trade Deng, Gordon, Nocioni, and send whatevr else it takes to work salary wise for Kobe and Bynum id do it without a 2nd though. PG:Kirk Hinrich SG:Kobe Bryant SF:Julian Wright PF:Tyrus Thomas C:Ben Wallace bench: PG:Chris Duhon PG/SG/SF: Thabo Sefelosha PF/C:Andrew Bynum We could also use the MLE to bring in more depth, maybe we can bring in someone like SAR. I don't think the Bulls would part with both Noc and Deng. Also, from what I have been hearing Bynum is not going anywhere. |
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Jun 1 2007, 11:21 AM
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I said it in the other thread, but I'll say it again: Julian Wright is not ready to start in the NBA, and if he is our starting SF we got problems. This is especially true if Tyrus and Wallace are in the same lineup, that's 3 guys that can't create their own shot. He's long and athletic, but he has NO jumper and at this point is better equipped to play more of a PF role because he's at his most dangerous waiting in the paint for lobs and offensive rebounds (of course the problem with that is he's a little thin to play PF in the pros right now). Kobe and Kirk better score about 60 a game if we're going with that setup.
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Jun 1 2007, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 1 2007, 12:14 PM) I said it in the other thread, but I'll say it again: Julian Wright is not ready to start in the NBA, and if he is our starting SF we got problems. This is especially true if Tyrus and Wallace are in the same lineup, that's 3 guys that can't create their own shot. He's long and athletic, but he has NO jumper and at this point is better equipped to play more of a PF role because he's at his most dangerous waiting in the paint for lobs and offensive rebounds (of course the problem with that is he's a little thin to play PF in the pros right now). Kobe and Kirk better score about 60 a game if we're going with that setup. Thats your opinion. For one we would have Bynum in that scenario and he could prob avg. 10-15 and I think Tyrus will greatly improve too. Not 2 mention Thabo will get more minutes and he can score too. I think Julian Wright can have the impact Deng did his rookie season. |
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Jun 1 2007, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (soxfan101 @ Jun 1 2007, 07:34 PM) Thats your opinion. For one we would have Bynum in that scenario and he could prob avg. 10-15 and I think Tyrus will greatly improve too. Not 2 mention Thabo will get more minutes and he can score too. I think Julian Wright can have the impact Deng did his rookie season. Am I the only one who thinks that 1/2 of this is related to Kobe being really, really tired of waiting on Bynum to develop? |
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Jun 2 2007, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ Jun 1 2007, 11:57 PM) Am I the only one who thinks that 1/2 of this is related to Kobe being really, really tired of waiting on Bynum to develop? Probably, but it would be ridiculous just to trade Deng and Gordon for Kobe. And of course whatevr else makes it work salary wise. |
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Jun 2 2007, 09:34 AM
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I could see the Knicks looking at him. They have alot of players they could give up, one being either Francis or Marbury.
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Jun 2 2007, 10:53 AM
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When the season starts, Kobe will be a Laker unfortuneatley. Jeani Buss on her blog said the Lakers will NOT look to trade Bryant. The more and more I think about it, its just Kobe trying to negotiate through the media. He wants to stay a Laker but he wants them to realize, they better make some trades NOW!
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