Pau Gasol/Nick Collison, Bulls Expected To Open Up Trade Talks |
Pau Gasol/Nick Collison, Bulls Expected To Open Up Trade Talks |
Jun 29 2007, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE According to a league source, Bulls talks with the Memphis Grizzlies about power forward-center Pau Gasol are expected to reopen in the near future. Prior to the February trade deadline, the two sides had serious discussions about a Gasol trade but couldn't agree on the terms. The Bulls were believed to have offered a package that included Gordon, forward P.J. Brown and a first-round draft pick. But the Grizzlies insisted that Deng be part of the deal, a price the front office considered to be exorbitant. Since then, Jerry West has stepped down as Grizzlies operations chief. Earlier this week, his successor, Chris Wallace, suggested he would listen to any and all trade proposals this summer. "I don't think anybody is untouchable on any team," Wallace was quoted to have said. "Shaquille O'Neal was traded. Wilt Chamberlain was traded. If the right deal comes your way, anybody in this league can be traded. But at the same time, Marc (Iavaroni, head coach) and I aren't out there actively trying to move these players." The Bulls also could renew discussions with the Seattle SuperSonics in regard to forward Nick Collison, about whom they inquired recently. The addition of Collison would help appease guard Hinrich, who remains the only player on the roster close to untouchable status despite his subpar postseason performance. Collison and Hinrich are close friends and one-time Kansas roommates. On Thursday, the SuperSonics acquired forward Jeff Green in a deal that sent Ray Allen to Boston, a move that would appear to make Collison expendable at this time. "You always have a lot of conversations, but nothing really came of it at the very end," Paxson said of trade talks in recent days. "We'll still try to improve our basketball team. We now that we need a low-post scorer in some capacity. Those are the things that we'll address as we go forward. It's a piece-by-piece process." This is a snippet out of the Daily Southtown. I think the Bulls would consider offering Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, a future #1 and Chris Duhon for Paul Gasol. The only major question is would Memphis be willing to take that type of salary without getting a cheap young player in return (however Gordon and Noc are both relatively young as is Duhon). Or would Gordon (or Noc), Noah or Thomas, PJ Brown (resigned and traded for salary purposes) and Chris Duhon work. In terms of Nick Collison, it would clearly take a lesser package and I would have no problem doing so as Collison is a pretty darn solid 4 who still has some potential and would be a good fit that wouldn't cost any of the main core. |
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Jun 29 2007, 11:51 AM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,568 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 21 |
I'd love to see Collison on this team if the price isn't crazy. We still need some front court depth, and I think we could make something work with Seattle.
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Jun 29 2007, 11:56 AM
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I'd love to see Collison on this team if the price isn't crazy. We still need some front court depth, and I think we could make something work with Seattle. Can someone explain the Nick Collison love? I may be missing something, I think he's a solid lunch pail type of player, but for 5 more years and 33 million? |
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Jun 29 2007, 12:11 PM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,568 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 21 |
Can someone explain the Nick Collison love? I may be missing something, I think he's a solid lunch pail type of player, but for 5 more years and 33 million? Look at our men in the middle. What about Malik Allen, PJ Brown, Michael Sweetney and company wouldn't make Nick Collison look good? |
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Jun 29 2007, 12:22 PM
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6th Man Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 15-March 06 Member No.: 61 |
QUOTE The addition of Collison would help appease guard Hinrich Appease Hinrich?!? I didn't realize he was peased off? Collison does absolutely NOTHING for me. As for other trades...not too crazy giving up Gordon. At this point...does this team really need any more 1st round rookies for a few years? Hell...I'd dangle Noah, Noc and Duhon and the next 2 first rounders for Gasol. Per Majia QUOTE Memphis: The choice came down to Mike Conley Jr. and Joakim Noah, and the first big move of the Chris Wallace/Marc Iavaroni era was ultimately the right one. Although Noah's size and mobility are intriguing and perfect for the open cour I read out here also that the Suns had targeted Noah in moving up to the 8th spot. Hell...let's get a three-way going with Phoenix and Memphis throwing out the parties mentioned above...with Marion going to Memphis. Of course my first preference is trying to pry Yi away from Milwaukee. |
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Jun 29 2007, 12:57 PM
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I'm fresh. Group: Administrator Posts: 1,300 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Lombard, IL Member No.: 131 |
Nick Collison... drool.
Appease Hinrich?!? I didn't realize he was peased off? Collison does absolutely NOTHING for me. As for other trades...not too crazy giving up Gordon. At this point...does this team really need any more 1st round rookies for a few years? Hell...I'd dangle Noah, Noc and Duhon and the next 2 first rounders for Gasol. Per Majia I read out here also that the Suns had targeted Noah in moving up to the 8th spot. Hell...let's get a three-way going with Phoenix and Memphis throwing out the parties mentioned above...with Marion going to Memphis. Of course my first preference is trying to pry Yi away from Milwaukee. getting Yi from Milwaukee... what would that take us?? Noc+Noah?? that's not a bad haul for the Bucs, right? of course, thats two energy players... Noah+Gordon is too much... what to consider? |
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Jun 29 2007, 02:44 PM
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I would be somewhat upset if we traded Gordon now to get Gasol. Why wouldn't we have done that before the draft? Then we could have known who we really wanted to draft. However, I think that if we trade Gordon for Gasol we could then offer Deshawn Stevenson a $5-6 million contract. He's 6'5" and can hit the 3. Exactly what we'd need if we traded Gordon. Not sure if he'd sign for that little but a lineup of:
Wallace/Noah/Gray Gasol/Tyrus Deng/Tyrus Stevenson/Sefolosha/Curry Hinrich/Sefolosha/Curry would look pretty damn good. Would Gordon, Duhon, Khryapa & Nocioni work for Gasol? We could also throw in a couple of future picks. We'd then have the best lineup in the game and we'd have some serious depth. The only issue would be giving Deng a huge extension. The players listed above would total Gasol $13.7 Wallace $15.5 Kirk $11 Deng $12-15 Tyrus $3.5 Thabo $1.8 Stevenson $5 Noah $1.8 Griffin $1.5 That equals $65.8 million if Deng is paid $12 million and $68.8 million if Deng is paid $15 million. That would probably be right around the luxury tax amount. However, we'd still need to sign Gray and Curry. Maybe to like $600K each and we'd need another 4 players. We'd be slightly over the cap. However if Deng only got $12 million I think we could stay around or under the cap if we paid him a low salary and his salary increased each year while Wallace's and Deng's decreased each year. I think Jerry would be okay spending the money for this lineup. |
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Jun 29 2007, 03:53 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
No way we go into this season with Tyrus being our primary backup at SF and PF. Thats just bad. I'd much rather have Thabo starting with some great D against the big SG's like Vince Carter. Either way, you makes up for Gordon's scoring with Gasol. Give Melvin Ely or Antonio McDyess the Mid Level exception and call it day.
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Jun 29 2007, 06:45 PM
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Starter Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 994 Joined: 23-March 06 From: Atlanta Member No.: 84 |
No way we go into this season with Tyrus being our primary backup at SF and PF. Thats just bad. I'd much rather have Thabo starting with some great D against the big SG's like Vince Carter. Either way, you makes up for Gordon's scoring with Gasol. Give Melvin Ely or Antonio McDyess the Mid Level exception and call it day. What's so bad about TT being the backup at SF and PF? I mean, we are talking about a guy that'll be getting 20-25 minutes if we acquire Gasol in the aforementioned trade. We gotta give something up to get something and I'm sure Noc would have to be included in a Gasol trade. So, who do you want (that would be better than Tyrus) backing up at the SF spot if we trade Noc and add Gasol? I don't see anyone on the FA market at the MLE that would be a better option than Tyrus. |
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Jun 29 2007, 08:16 PM
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Unless Pau can play center he won't be on the team unless Tyrus is involved in the trade. Basically, whoever we get thats a big man it has to be a center because Tyrus is the starting Pf for the future and having Gasol would make Tyrus worthless and I don't see that happening because Pax has expressed his loyalty to Tyrus many times even saying "He was untouchable".
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Jun 29 2007, 08:33 PM
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Unless Pau can play center he won't be on the team unless Tyrus is involved in the trade. Basically, whoever we get thats a big man it has to be a center because Tyrus is the starting Pf for the future and having Gasol would make Tyrus worthless and I don't see that happening because Pax has expressed his loyalty to Tyrus many times even saying "He was untouchable". Wrong. The team neads a scoring PF...period. Pau would be a PF. Has nothing to do with getting rid of Tyrus (which he isn't going anywhere). |
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Jun 29 2007, 09:13 PM
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Wrong. The team neads a scoring PF...period. Pau would be a PF. Has nothing to do with getting rid of Tyrus (which he isn't going anywhere). If Pau plays PF that means Tyrus will be a wasted pick. Paxson doesn't want to do that, he wants to see him play and see if he will amount to anything. Having Pau there would hinder that oppurtunity. |
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Jun 29 2007, 09:16 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
Unless Pau can play center he won't be on the team unless Tyrus is involved in the trade. Basically, whoever we get thats a big man it has to be a center because Tyrus is the starting Pf for the future and having Gasol would make Tyrus worthless and I don't see that happening because Pax has expressed his loyalty to Tyrus many times even saying "He was untouchable". Because the Bulls go with the prototypical 5 man starting nba rotation...come on. We've gone head over heels for Tyrus this offseason. Tyrus Thomas can kick rocks if he lands us Pau Gasol. "Gasol would make Tyrus worthless" LMAO. Because it would be absolutely impossible to play them at the same time. GMAB. If Pau plays PF that means Tyrus will be a wasted pick. Paxson doesn't want to do that, he wants to see him play and see if he will amount to anything. Having Pau there would hinder that oppurtunity. No it would not. They can play at the same time. How does that not make sense to you. You make it seem like TT is some sor of proven NBA player that should play 48 minutes a game. Get real. He's still very very raw and he does not deserve to have a starting position handed to him. |
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Jun 29 2007, 09:24 PM
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Superstar Group: Members Posts: 3,150 Joined: 20-March 06 Member No.: 73 |
In the future, Pau is just beginning to reach his prime. Tyrus won't be starting until Pau is gone unless he plays center.
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Jun 29 2007, 09:27 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
In the future, Pau is just beginning to reach his prime. Tyrus won't be starting until Pau is gone unless he plays center. Hmm, tough freaking choice, and tough like to Tyrus. Gasol + Wallace > Tyrus + Wallace Either way, Gasol can play center. If Joakim Noah can play center, and Jeff Green can play PF, then Gasol can sure as hell do it too. |
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