 NEWS: Andres Nocioni Re-Signs w/ Bulls, It rhymes with rice-a-roni |
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 Jul 6 2007, 12:31 PM
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noce is back.....back again.....noce is back.....tell a friend
QUOTE Nocioni back with the Bulls
By K.C. Johnson Tribune staff reporter July 6, 2007, 1:09 PM CDT Andres Nocioni has agreed to a five-year contract worth approximately $38 million, keeping the popular forward with the team that vowed to re-sign him. The contract can't be signed until the free-agent moratorium ends July 11. But general manager John Paxson confirmed a deal is in place. Sources told the Tribune that the contract includes a team option for a sixth season. Earlier Friday, Paxson confirmed that the team was optimistic about their chances. "We've made progress," Paxson said at the Berto Center. "We're pretty confident. I'm hopeful that in the next day or so we can hammer this thing out with him." The Tribune and Memphis Commercial Appeal reported in their Friday editions that Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace wasn't willing to increase a verbal offer that is in the same neighborhood as the Bulls' offer. The Tribune first reported Paxson has offered a five-year deal worth approximately $38 million. It's rare for teams to make a proactive offer for a restricted free agent instead of letting the market dictate his price. "I felt the area we started talking about was a legitimate, fair offer," Paxson said. "So I never have problems throwing that out there. We're at the stage where we know our young players have value. I just felt it was appropriate to try to work something out. We want him here. He fits in with what we're trying to do." Indeed, Nocioni, 27, has become a Bulls fan favorite with his manic intensity and floor-burn style. "He's one of those guys who have helped change a lot of things around here in terms of how we go about business," Paxson said. The Grizzlies flew to Nocioni's native Argentina to personally woo him. That they didn't follow with a bold offer raised eyebrows. But Nocioni, who is resting the plantar fasciitis in his right foot, always stated his No. 1 priority was to return to the Bulls. He got his wish. kcjohnson@tribune.com |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:33 PM
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I'm fresh. Group: Administrator Posts: 1,300 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Lombard, IL Member No.: 131 |
Well, unless they signed him to trade him, i dont like spending your wad on Noc when we have to worry about luol and gordon... so I expect to see him dealt...
7.6 average annual salary for a player like Noc should be rather attractive to teams out there (cough, Memphis, cough). |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:34 PM
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All-Star Group: Administrator Posts: 2,568 Joined: 13-March 06 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 21 |
Good to hear. I wonder if this means he is off of the trade market now?
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Jul 6 2007, 12:38 PM
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Bench Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 13-May 07 From: chicago Member No.: 892 |
QUOTE (madisonsmadhouse @ Jul 6 2007, 01:27 PM)  Good to hear. I wonder if this means he is off of the trade market now? i hope so. im not the biggest fan of giving a guy like noc, with all due respect, 38 mill over 5 years. |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:44 PM
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Starter Group: Global Moderators Posts: 934 Joined: 3-April 06 Member No.: 98 |
unless it's a sign and trade that would have to be announced very soon he can't be traded until december 15th
I think it's pretty clear Paxson drew a line at where Noc's signing wouldnt affect his ability to sign gordon or deng and made the offer. IF Noc wanted more, sign and trade. But, from what has been reported it seems Noc got one offer from Pax and he accepted it. The only reason to be unhappy about Noce coming back IMO is if you're worried he's gonna take minutes from TT and Deng. It's hard to not think of Noc as the hobbling shell of his former self we saw in the detroit series. But Noce was averaging 15.6 ppg and 6 boards before his injury. That's pretty good for a 3rd year player. |
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Jul 6 2007, 01:00 PM
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mehhh
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Jul 6 2007, 01:26 PM
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I agree with everyone else. Hopefully he is trade bait now. No way I would want that money tied up with him when we will need to re-sign Deng soon.
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Jul 6 2007, 01:35 PM
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Thats way too much when we have so many players in the wings to be locked up.
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Jul 6 2007, 01:41 PM
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If he gets back to his 13 and 6 days before he started having foot problems, it's not too bad. If it keeps coming back, it's an awful deal, he just wasn't very effective towards the end of the year and in the playoffs.
It also depends on his expected role and how much Tyrus and Noah develop and how much Wallace declines. If those two can be counted on for productive minutes and/or Wallace doesn't deteriorate too fast, then he's going to get squeezed down to about 20 minutes with Deng monopolizing the SF spot and that money is going to get tough to deal with. If he ends up as a major factor at PF because Tyrus/Noah don't develop as fast as well all hope or those guys are forced to eat up more minutes at center, then it's easier to swallow. It took me a while to say it, but basically while the money isn't too awful for a guy with his abilities, he's not really a building block of the franchise down the road, so it might be more than we can really afford at some point... |
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Jul 6 2007, 02:03 PM
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Superstar Group: Administrator Posts: 3,736 Joined: 12-March 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 12 |
I guess this is good news, but like Zoom said, if this comes back to bite us in the ass when it comes to re-signing the core, it will hurt.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him deal on July 11th or 12th. |
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Jul 6 2007, 02:14 PM
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6th Man Group: Members Posts: 561 Joined: 14-March 06 Member No.: 41 |
As much as I love Noch, thats too much money for him, hes not deserving of that much. I really hope he gets traded now.
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Jul 6 2007, 04:46 PM
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It's not too much for him but it's too much for him on our team. I think he'll be dealt either soon or at the trading deadline. Otherwise, the only option left would be to make him our starting SF and trade Deng.
That could be what Paxson is planning. If he can get something very good in a Deng package he might not be opposed to trading Deng. Then we'd have Nocioni/Tyrus at the 3. I hate to speculate but if we did trade Deng, Noah and some other reserves like Duhon, lets say KG or even Deng & Gordon for Gasol, we'd still have a pretty sick lineup. Wallace KG (or Gasol) Nocioni/Tyrus Gordon/Thabo Hinrich Paxson has a plan. It just depends on what his plan is. He's not resigning Nocioni for nothing. Either he plans on trading Nocioni, or he plans on trading someone like Deng or Tyrus in a bigger package. |
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Jul 6 2007, 05:41 PM
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Starter Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 994 Joined: 23-March 06 From: Atlanta Member No.: 84 |
Well, I think it's a good thing he re-signed b/c he could be a very valuable trade piece. If some sort of sign-and-trade wasn't worked out (and I think we would have heard about it by now), then I think he'll be great to have next January/February to help us acquire a Gasol, KG, or Kobe. Let's say he doesn't have any recurring foot problems, then I think he could very well be averaging 15 and 6 at mid-season, which would make his trade value higher than now since it would show he's healthy. I think a lot of team's, like the Grizz or Wolves, would love having a tough, in-your-face veteran who can put up 15 and 6 per game (as well as Gordon, TT/Noah, whoever).
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Jul 7 2007, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (steve9347 @ Jul 6 2007, 11:26 AM) Well, unless they signed him to trade him, i dont like spending your wad on Noc when we have to worry about luol and gordon... so I expect to see him dealt... 7.6 average annual salary for a player like Noc should be rather attractive to teams out there (cough, Memphis, cough). I don't think the Bulls would have signed Nocioni if it meant they wouldn't be able to bring back Ben Gordon or Luol Deng. However, I don't think Noc will play out the remainder of this contract and that he very well could go at the trade deadline this year or sometime in the next 1-2 years. The Bulls just knew that Noc is a valuable piece to the equation and while he isn't necessarily the perfect fit (since we have Deng starting at the 3) but he is still a good fit and until Pax can turn Noc into a better fit he will be here. Because if we let him walk, the team gets nothing and would have a hard time ever getting that type of talent back on the roster. |
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Jul 7 2007, 07:38 PM
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10 Day Contract Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 24-May 07 Member No.: 941 |
I think resigning Nocioni was a very good move. He has value if he stays with us or as a piece in a trade. He is a very good player who can shoot and rebound. I know he has the foot issue but he will be fine. I keep thinking about the guy who tore Miami up in the playoffs two years ago. He is capable of putting up good numbers and will really help our bench scoring.
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