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ZoomSlowik
post May 4 2009, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE (rockren @ May 4 2009, 12:10 AM) *
Colangelo will look to build around Bargnani from here on out. Putting Tyrus next to him would match better with Barganani than Bosh did anyway. Not that Tyrus is half the player Bosh is, but Tyrus wouldn't take the low block away from Bargnani like Bosh does. Tyrus playing with a big man in the post would help maximize his potential as well...he'd be great next to Bargnani.


Bargnani isn't a traditional low post big man at all, he's more like a small forward masquerading as a big man. 30% of his shots were 3's, and another 44% were 2-point jumpers. Chris Paul had a higher percentage of his shots come in the paint. He's more like a young Nowitzki than anything, which kind of hurts that theory.

That said, Tyrus gives them a far more defense-oriented player at the power forward spot (I'm assuming Marion isn't back), so he could blend a bit better with Bargnani than Bosh since the latter gives them another big that gets a large percentage of his shots on jumpers. They'd need someone else to replace Bosh' scoring though, guys like Calderon and Parker can't really take over with their scoring.
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post May 4 2009, 07:56 AM
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Look at the money folks! You don't wanna break the bank here!

*Tyrus Thomas is a S*T*E*A*L at $4.75 mil and only has an upside. Miller is the expendable one if you wanna talk money at $12.2 mil. Miller may be hard to move though, He made around 22 turnovers in the series and he's slow.

As I've thought about things, I'm not sure the Bulls can sign Gordon. If that holds true you keep Hinrich who's also a steal at $9.5 mil next year and he's a better defender than Gordon.

I don't see moving Luol Deng. I believe these guys are most likely gone: Tim Thomas, Gordon, and Aaron Gray. I'm not sure what happens after that.

This is what I anticipate to be the roster now if I'm Pax:

- Noah, Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Rose, and Hinrich. Those are your starters with Salmons as sixth man. You have2 first round picks so you don't need to go crazy.

Looking at salariesIf you can get Bosh at $15.8 mil in 2010 that's good,. Stoudamire is due $16.3 mil and with his injuries that's not good so I change my mind and go with Bosh *if* the Raptor wanna deal.

Anyway you gotta watch the money.

The Bulls overall salaries are here:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm
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post May 4 2009, 08:09 AM
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Why not start salmons at the 2?
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post May 4 2009, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (Bullerwinkle @ May 4 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Look at the money folks! You don't wanna break the bank here!

*Tyrus Thomas is a S*T*E*A*L at $4.75 mil and only has an upside. Miller is the expendable one if you wanna talk money at $12.2 mil. Miller may be hard to move though, He made around 22 turnovers in the series and he's slow.

Miller's contract expires at the end of teh 2009-2010 season. That makes him ridiculously valuable right now.
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post May 4 2009, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 4 2009, 06:39 AM) *
They'd need someone else to replace Bosh' scoring though, guys like Calderon and Parker can't really take over with their scoring.

So you're saying a sign and trade involving Gordon as well? lolhitting.gif

Anyway...the Raps at this point must have some idea whether or not they're keeping Bosh at the end of 2010 given their salary constraints and Bosh's demands. If they think there's a good chance they're keeping him, then nothing will happen. If they don't, put together our best offer now and see if they make the move. If they want more than Tyrus + one of Hinrich/Deng/Gordon/some of our expiring deals in a sign and trade + a couple draft picks, then let them see if someone else can beat that...because I seriously doubt anyone will even come close. We can basically give them anything and everything they want.
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post May 4 2009, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE (Sanitarium @ May 4 2009, 09:09 AM) *
Why not start salmons at the 2?


Salmons is only 6' 6" Deng is 6' 8" and a better rebounder you can use Salmons at guard as well so to me that makes him more valuable from the bench. Of course there could be times when you wanna start Salmons over Deng and you'll have that flexibility.
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post May 4 2009, 12:29 PM
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Not as I saw things. Miller isn't what he used to be and if you ask me he cost the Bulls the series in game five.l I won't argue though because you can make an argument for keeping Miller.
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post May 4 2009, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Bullerwinkle @ May 4 2009, 11:29 AM) *
Not as I saw things. Miller isn't what he used to be and if you ask me he cost the Bulls the series in game five.l I won't argue though because you can make an argument for keeping Miller.

I'm not saying keep Miller for Miller's sake, I'm saying his contract is now one of the big 2010 expiring contracts. Either you hold that solely because it helps you open up cap space next year, or you use that as your deal-maker for a team that wants cap space.
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post May 4 2009, 01:49 PM
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Salmons can play 2 guard but he's not quick enough to star there IMO. He can play in spurts but his natural position is small forward.
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post May 4 2009, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Chicago Bulls Franchise @ May 4 2009, 12:49 PM) *
Salmons can play 2 guard but he's not quick enough to star there IMO. He can play in spurts but his natural position is small forward.

He doesn't need to "Star" there, he needs to give me 15 points and reasonably good defense alongside our developing star PG.

I'd rather keep Gordon and use Salmons as the backup SF and SG, but if we simply can't do that...Salmons has already shown himself to be a solid backup option.
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post May 4 2009, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Balta1701-B @ May 4 2009, 05:33 PM) *
He doesn't need to "Star" there, he needs to give me 15 points and reasonably good defense alongside our developing star PG.

I'd rather keep Gordon and use Salmons as the backup SF and SG, but if we simply can't do that...Salmons has already shown himself to be a solid backup option.

Woops I meant "Start" not star.
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post May 4 2009, 05:20 PM
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Are we looking to get anything out of trading kirk besides expiring contracts?
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post May 4 2009, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (Sanitarium @ May 4 2009, 04:20 PM) *
Are we looking to get anything out of trading kirk besides expiring contracts?

If we do, then it hurts our chances at 2010 cap space if that's what we're after...and it really kills our chances of extending Gordon (even a draft pick this year is extra money against the cap).

The one way that everything could work out is if you can: 1. Trade Kirk for something useful to a team that has some cap space to take his contract on without giving us the full amount back, then trade for Bosh this offseason using Miller/James's expiring deal as the bulk of the salary, and then you probably still have room to extend Gordon and Bosh as well.

You don't say no if someone wants to give you back something useful for Hinrich, but if you can trade him and get back nothing other than $5 mil in cap space and a 2nd round pick, it's the right move.
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post May 4 2009, 05:36 PM
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First off I want Ben resigned...shooters like that don't grow on trees. Other than that...I just really want to dump Deng.
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post May 4 2009, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Wanne @ May 4 2009, 05:36 PM) *
First off I want Ben resigned...shooters like that don't grow on trees. Other than that...I just really want to dump Deng.


Yeah that's pretty much impossible.
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