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post Jul 4 2006, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (HoofHearted @ Jul 4 2006, 07:39 PM)
Yes, taking spiff in a trade all for the sakes of dumping a contract. Tyson does what he was payed to do and will continue to do so, we just payed premium for a defensive player, talk about rediculous contracts.

Chandler does not produce enough for what he earns.
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post Jul 4 2006, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (HoofHearted @ Jul 4 2006, 07:39 PM)
Yes, taking spiff in a trade all for the sakes of dumping a contract. Tyson does what he was payed to do and will continue to do so, we just payed premium for a defensive player, talk about rediculous contracts.

Just name me one legitimate PF or C in the NBA that he can guard well...Just one that you've said, "Wow, he really shut that guy down." And I'm not talking about his ability to block small guards driving into the lane...
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 07:37 PM)
Dumping his ridiculous contract is the first step to getting a better big man after next season. P.J. Brown is a good enough one year replacement.

Exactly. And we'll probably have to wait and see what talent we draft from next year's supposedly good class...
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post Jul 4 2006, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 4 2006, 07:41 PM)
Just name me one legitimate PF or C in the NBA that he can guard well...Just one that you've said, "Wow, he really shut that guy down." And I'm not talking about his ability to block small guards driving into the lane...

Its not always about shutting down guys... sometimes its about being a defensive pressense down low.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 4 2006, 09:42 PM)
Exactly.  And we'll probably have to wait and see what talent we draft from next year's supposedly good class...

Christ where do I start, so appearently reading this correctly getting PJ for a year just till we draft a player to take hist spot is of what use he is to us. Your telling me Tyson cant do the Same:

Comparison:

Tysons Numbers (Career Highs)

PPG 8 Reb 9.7 Block 1.8 Stl .9


PJ Brown (Career Highs)

PPG 10.8 Reb 9 Block .8 Stl 1

Tysons is what 24, and PJ Brown is 36, so of course lets bring in a veteran who is 36 years of age, just so he can put up one more basket than Tyson, and not as strong defensively, keep in mind these are PJs career high, if you look at his stats, they get lower, and with Wallace here we expect him to take the load in scoring in the load post over Tyson who would do no better of a job. The trade is pointless, lets trade up 12 yrs. We drafted thefolosha for a reason, as a defensive guard, and JR Smith and him could be no different players.

Well guess Im not gonna be the one shaking my head when PJ walks after a year and Tyson picks up his game. And Im sure that with a projected lower pick next year we will grab a superstar. Which isnt guaranteed.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (Bullies4Life @ Jul 4 2006, 07:48 PM)
Its not always about shutting down guys... sometimes its about being a defensive pressense down low.

Chandler gets scored on almost as easily as Curry did. A few blocked shots here and there doesn't mean much when he's still getting dominated in the paint.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 4 2006, 07:53 PM)
Christ where do I start, so appearently reading this correctly getting PJ for a year just till we draft a player to take hist spot is of what use he is to us. Your telling me Tyson cant do the Same:

Comparison:

Tysons Numbers (Career Highs)

PPG 8 Reb 9.7 Block 1.8 Stl .9


PJ Brown (Career Highs)

PPG 10.8 Reb 9 Block .8 Stl 1

Tysons is what 24, and PJ Brown is 36, so of course lets bring in a veteran who is 36 years of age, just so he can put up one more basket than Tyson, and not as strong defensively, keep in mind these are PJs career high, if you look at his stats, they get lower, and with Wallace here we expect him to take the load in scoring in the load post over Tyson who would do no better of a job. The trade is pointless, lets trade up 12 yrs. We drafted thefolosha for a reason, as a defensive guard, and JR Smith and him could be no different players.

Well guess Im not gonna be the one shaking my head when PJ walks after a year and Tyson picks up his game. And Im sure that with a projected lower pick next year we will grab a superstar.

When P.J. walks, we will be freed of both his and Chandler's contracts. We will be able to sign/draft a better big man than both of them. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 09:56 PM)
When P.J. walks, we will be freed of both his and Chandler's contracts. We will be able to sign/draft a better big man than both of them. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Money is not a problem for us. A draft pick isnt gonna cost 10 million. Regardless we are okay financially. You obviously didnt read my post, what the hell is the point of trading for PJ to take on his contract also. I would spiff myself if we did that, hate to break it to ya but Tyson costs less than PJ. Perhaps we can ask Tysons clone PJ Brown when he arrives why we traded for a veteran with a bigger salary when we could have kept Tyson, and besides JR Smith comes with this trade, he doesnt cost no 1 million I can tell you that, high school superstars always want a shitload of cash.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 4 2006, 08:03 PM)
Money is not a problem for us. A draft pick isnt gonna cost 10 million.  Regardless we are okay financially.  You obviously didnt read my post, what the hell is the point of trading for PJ to take on his contract also.  I would spiff myself if we did that, hate to break it to ya but Tyson costs less than PJ.  Perhaps we can ask Tysons clone PJ Brown when he arrives why we traded for a veteran with a bigger salary when we could have kept Tyson, and besides JR Smith comes with this trade, he doesnt cost no 1 million I can tell you that, high school superstars always want a shitload of cash.

You do know that we have to lock up a bunch of our key players soon, right?

And P.J. Brown's money comes off the books after next season. Tyson and his bloated contract would be here for years.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 10:05 PM)
You do know that we have to lock up a bunch of our key players soon, right?

Im well aware of that, and Paxson is gonna get them signed, but taking on PJs larger contract for X number of years he is here wouldnt be the bright move. Therefore Chandler costs less and should stay.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 4 2006, 08:08 PM)
Im well aware of that, and Paxson is gonna get them signed, but taking on PJs larger contract for X number of years he is here wouldnt be the bright move. Therefore Chandler costs less and should stay.

Huh?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508889
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If the Hornets and Bulls go ahead with the proposed deal, Shinn will absorb the remaining five years and $54 million on Chandler's six-year, $63 million contract signed last summer.

The venerable Brown, who turns 37 in October, has only one season left on his contract at $8 million.

Need I say more?
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 10:18 PM)

Im still sticking to Chandler, he has more potential than any other boom or bust rookie in next years draft and is BETTER than PJ Brown. Yet, still up to the Hornets gm if he is going to take on Chandlers contract, which would be freaking stupid for a young team like Hornets to do.
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:34 PM
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Yet another reason to like P.J. Brown over Chandler -- he can actually make his free throws. rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 4 2006, 07:53 PM)
Christ where do I start, so appearently reading this correctly getting PJ for a year just till we draft a player to take hist spot is of what use he is to us.

You could start by telling me which of our young core you wanted gone because we would have to have let one of the other guys go to keep both Wallace and tyson's bloated contract...Looks like tyson is clearly the odd man out with the way Pax is running things and so far I'm agreeing...
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (BigBen @ Jul 4 2006, 10:27 PM)
Yet another reason to like P.J. Brown over Chandler -- he can actually make his free throws.

First he has to get to the line, Chandler can improve his free throws, when he puts the effort of improving in the offseason.

And here comes your smartass comment about how chandler cant score or what not?

Their avgs are pretty similar, Im the type of person whod rather have youth over vets, and correct me if Im wrong PJ is 36? And Chandler is 23-24.

If your convinced that next seasons draft class will net us a better player than both pj and chandler then youd better hope he at least puts up tysons numbers.
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