i dont know that i would want to give up BG, but if we did make this trade it would make sense, because then we would use the 9 pick on a guard like law or conley if he falls, but i dont like that trade.

Well, first of all the salaries don't line up at all.

Second, I'm still darn hesitant to acquire anyone out of Phoenix these days. I look at their offensive production the way I look at a baseball player playing in Coors field; you stop getting some of the Nash-level open looks, and your production might not be what it once was.

Third...there's really not, to my eyes, a great candidate for a 2 guard in the draft at spot 9. Conley could be there as a point guard, and there's a SF candidate or two like Brewer who might be able to be an inbetween guy, but to my eyes, if you trade Gordon, you're basically committing to THabo if you don't get a replacement back.

I dunno, maybe it could work, maybe it could make us better, but I think I still strongly favor the "Draft one more big man and let it all stew for the next few years" route.

That trade is asking for way too much. Shawn Marion is definitely an All-Star, but giving up both Ben Gordon and Noc is way to much for what he brings to our team.

BG + Nocioni = 35 ppg. Shawn Marion = 18 ppg. And that's because he played with Nash, who makes everyone on his team better.

My proposed trade would be Noc + #9 Pick + Chris Duhon for Marion.

And the cap room is an even worse disaster on that one, unless you're offering Noc a $11 mil a year deal or so.

Marion is basically another small forward who likes to shot. He can drive and penetrate but he's not the post up player we need.

Marion would be a great fit for the type of player the Bulls need. He would be a guy who could give them points and rebounds from the block. The only thing is we would have to find a sniper to keep the 3 point line open.

bwahahaha...

anyone who wouldnt want to deal BG, Noc, and change for Marion doesn't know basketball.

Marion was averaging 19/12 way before Nash got there... come on people.

BG and Noc for Marion? I'd carry both on my shoulder to the Airport. But I don't see anything working out financially unless Noc's deal is ridiculously high.

If Nocioni gets close to $6 million it could easily work. We could trade Nocioni/BG/ & some other filler like Sweetney or Victor or Duhon.

As for the 3 point shooting, that's what I'd be worried with. I'm not exactly sure that Kirk could shoot 40+% without BG there all season to open up look for him. I love Marion and his game on both ends of the court. He's not your typical post player but he does get effort put backs and even with the uggliest shot in the NBA he's still a pretty effective scorer. However, I think his biggest impact will be on the glass and on defense where he blocks shots like a beast.

He's actually typically been more of a perimeter player, he jacks up quite a few 3's. He's basically a SF that has been forced to play PF regularly in their system (though not as much with Diaw emerging the last two years and Amare healthy this year) His FG% was actually sliding a bit as his role expanded before Nash got there.

Don't get me wrong, he's damn good, I just don't he's the answer to our problems. He basically plays the same role as Deng, they're just different players. He's more of an above the rim guy that gets you more boards and blocks, Deng is a better mid-range shooter that'll score more (Nash and their pace helps Marion's numbers a bit).

I dont see how he fits with this team at all. Ill say no to Marion and his 16 million per year or whatevr it is contract.

if were giving up Nocioni and Gordon together, it better be for a better impact player than Marion. His contract is horrbile!! Honestly i would much rather get Randolph than Marion.

I wouldn't go that far.

However, I agree that if we trade away Gordon, Noc, etc., then they should be apart of a trade that brings us either a superstar regardless of position (i.e. Kobe) or at least a star that's a true PF (minus attitude problems, i.e. Pau Gasol)

Do we really need another small forward who's scheduled to earn around $34M the next 2 years?!?!? Marion's a nice player and all....but GOOD GOD...goofiest ass outside shot in all of basketball. I've seen 6th graders with nicer looking shots.

Your basing this off the look of his jumper? I don't care if he knee's the ball, if it goes in, it's 2/3 points. While he isn't exactly the kind of guy that we really need, he will definitely improve the team. Either way, I don't see this happening.