http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/10...i062708.article


1st we don't draft CDR and instead trade for some guy who probably won't ever play in the NBA. Then Paxson makes stupid comments about how they aren't going to rush Rose into the starting role. To me that suggests that he is going to keep Kirk but I could be wrong. I'm not against keeping Kirk but if we keep him he needs to be the SG not PG. He can play PG with the 2nd unit but we have to throw Rose out there for 30+ minutes and in a starting role.

You don't draft a player # 1 overall and then not throw them out there. Especially when the only way to really learn the PG position is to play and get comfortable with yoru teammates.

He's going to play, this isn't another Tyrus Thomas situation. When can you ever take anything the GM says about their plans at face value? How much crap did we hear about the Heat preferring Mayo before last night, including from Riley? Isn't it just as likely that he's not getting the kind of offers he wants for Hinrich and he's trying to convince people that he'll hang on to him for another year if they don't pony up? I wouldn't worry about it AT ALL, even if we do end up getting stuck with Hinrich on the roster for part/all of the season he'll get a bunch of minutes. Hell, Chris Duhon even got 23 minutes a game last year, and in that situation I can't see Thabo still getting 20 a game either. It's typical of Marrioti to get all excited about nothing 4 months before the games even start and write a massive article ripping people because of it, especially if it's a Reinsdorf-owned franchise.

So we were supposed to draft another guard last night when we have half of a roster of them? I lost interest right about there.

Pax is posturing for and negotiating a trade. Of course Rose will be the starter. Pax is trying to let other teams know that we don't have to trade Hinrich or whoever for their rejects.

i woulnt worry about rose not playing he will play and he will play alot of minutes, he has to he is the # 1 pick. there is no way pax keeps all of thoose gaurds he has to make a move and it will likely be hinrich. but i do disagree with him trading 3 second round pick for a guy who probably will never wear a bulls uniform, and on chad ford's report card it says we still have sonny weems, he might be a good player but he will never make the team.

Let's beach about 2nd round picks that wouldn't get any playing time anyway with our overcrowded roster. Yay! And there is no doubt in my mind Rose plays a ton. Zoom mentioned it earlier, even Hinrich played from day 1. Talk about overreacting.

There is no reason in the world why Rose shouldn't come in right away, start and averaged out to atleast 30 mpg. He's the number 1 pick in the draft, he better play, or there is going to be some angry people in Chi-Town.

Yes. You take the best player available regardless of your position needs. CDR is a good scorer/shooter with good size and good athleticism. Yeah we have too many guards but that could easily change with 1 or 2 trades. Plus Gordon could very well just play his last year out and screw us over. Then we'll only have Larry Hughes for 1 more year if he isn't traded. So what do you do then? I'd much rather have a stockpile of young guards vs not having any at all.

If Gordon leaves and Kirk is traded for a big then what are we going to do? We'll have Thabo & Rose and that's about it. Then we'll be looking for a free agent. I think CDR would have fit everything Vinny is going to try to do. Not to mention he is already comfortable playing with Derrick Rose. Maybe that's the true reason they didn't draft CDR. Maybe they didn't want Derrick Rose to have a friend to hang out with in Chicago.

That is just ridiculous. You need to pick a set of logic and stick with it. You throw a fit about Rose maybe not playing too much in favor of other players, but then when it comes to Roberts you make up a whole set of logic of how he could play if all of these players leave in front of him... Let me just tell you that if all of those players leave Chicago, Rose isn't going to be play small minutes anymore. And the whole point of getting Asik was to do EXACTLY what you just said, and take the best player available. This is a kid who some have had graded higher than the #6 pick in the draft. I'd call that taking the best player available.

Not to mention the whole idea of the Bulls not drafting someone because they don't want their #1 pick and future of the franchise to have a friend around having any bearing in logic or reality is just laughable. I'm sure a bunch of guys in charge of a half a billion dollar franchise got together and tried to figure out how to screw over their next meal ticket. Think about how that sounds for just a minute.

CP3 averaged 36 both of his first 2 seasons. I might well be complaining about where he is if Pooh only pulls in 30 mpg.

First of all your the one busting your ass to break down my post into something ridiculous when it simply isn't that. Quit changing what I say b/c you can't comprehend it. CDR isn't a PG and won't be taking any of Rose's minutes b/c Rose shouldn't be playing SG with the bulk of SG's that we have. Kirk on the other hand is a PG and will be taking Rose's minutes if he stays. We need a backup PG (which Thabo may or may not be good at) and Rose as the starter. CDR is the long term fix as a backup SG unelss he really blossoms then he is a potential starting SG. But either way that's going to be 2-3 years down the road.

I hope Kirk is going to get traded b/c he simply makes too much $ to be a backup. We'd then have him Hughes & Nocioni potentially as bench players making starters $. Like I said in my last post. Gordon could be 1 and done. If he doesn't re-sign this summer then why give him big time mintues during the season b/c you have to figure if he doens't sign an extension then he is going to leave. At that point you have no option but to trade him and the only teams that will likely be willing to take him without an extension are teams making playoff pushes that need a SG.

Gordon & Deng could very well re-sign but if they do that's great. You then have too many SG's and you have to make a trade. It wouldn't be hard to trade him for a future pick if that was our last resort. Hughes will be gong in 2 years (likely before the trade deadline of the 2009-10 season b/c of his expiring contract) so we could easily be down to 2 SG's one of which can play some PG mintues (Thabo). I feel confident that CDR can also play a little at SF.

But then again I'm the idiot. I'd rather give up 3 future 2nd round picks to get some guy who is already 22 and from the video doesn't seem to be that good of a player. Not to mention he won't be coming for at least 3-5 years if ever. Maybe 3-5 years from now I'll think otherwise but right now I just think this was a horrible move by Paxson. But in 3-5 years nobody will even care unless of course CDR turns into a good/great player. CDR proved he could play on one of the best teams in the nation. This big stiff from overseas hasn't even proved he can play against other big stiffs in Europe yet alone NBA big men. He better start eating his Wheaties b/c he needs to at about 50 pounds of muscle. As for player ratings you can tell Hollinger to shove those ratings up his ass. They don't mean spiff to me. Now if we would have made that deal to move up for someone with loads of potential like Serge Ibaka, Darrell Arthur, or to a lesser extent even DeAndre Jordan then maybe I'd agree with you that Paxson knows what he is doing and even if none of them turns out to be a good NBA player I would still be ok with taking the risk.

As for Paxson trading 2nd round picks, I'll say it again. It doesn't matter if he trades 2nd round picks b/c he never uses them to get anything good (Chris Duhon being the only exception if you can call Duhon good). But then again, maybe I'm still bitter that we traded Tyson Chandler for PJ Brown, and 2 second round picks.

I personally like the move for Asik. CDR is no better than what we have in Thabo, so who cares about him? Asik gives us a legit center prospect who could easily do what Andris Biedrins does in the League.

If anyone gets any sort of information on this Asik kid, that be great. I heard he has a amazing motor and is a tenacious rebounder, but is a little on the thin side for your prototypical NBA Center.

And btw, Soxfan1, I think your putting my Derrick Rose sig to shame hahaha

It just boggles my mind that everyone is so excited right now for a kid from home. It appears that they are appointing DR the savior of this city and team and that is a lot to ask of a kid. I would have preferred Beasley over Rose as I think Beasley is a beast and we need someone of his caliber. With a gluton of guards it will interesting to see what happens with this team. I just look at it that with a no-name coach, and a home town savior, this season is going to be very interesting.

If you're expecting a title this season, you're going to be disappointed unless we trade Rose right now.