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[ZoomSlowik]

Hey....if any deal is going to happen...it HAS TO HAPPEN by this Wednesday. It's deadline day for extensions.
So...if Gordon or Deng (which is actually doubtful...Deng anyway) are going to get dealt...they have to get extended to match salaries.

All of this also means that Noc won't be going anywhere because he couldn't be traded by the 15th of Dec.

So if the Lakers take anything it'll have to be Gordon, Thomas, Noah (probably Duhon for salary reasons) and a 1st. Deng isn't going anywhere. Wallace isn't going anywhere. Noc isn't going anywhere. Jerry Buss...if you don't like that deal...suck some friggin dirt....it's all you're getting.
I don't give a crap about those GM trader things...Paxson isn't going to purge the entire roster for Mr Rapist. I personally don't want to see it happen...and Pax doesn't have to do crap.

ps...the bears suck.

That's not really the case at all. They're both under contract for this season, so a sign and trade wouldn't work. At best they'd be base year compensation players, meaning you could only count 50% of their new deal in trades, making it pretty pointless, at worst they'd have the poison pill provision like Hinrich had last year, meaning they could only take in their previous salary while the extension amount counts against your out-going total (and I'd believe that would be the case).

Gordon or Deng would simply be traded as is, with an extension needed at the end of the year (though I'm sure LA could talk to them and get a feel for their demands beforehand).

[madisonsmadhouse]

Crap, I was hoping with the season approaching this would all start to go away...

I have no problem with Gordon going to LA, they just cannot trade Luol.

[Steve9347]

If someone can show me a deal that doesnt include Wallace or Deng that matches up salary-wise, then I will start to believe.

At this point I don't even think a plausible deal is even possible.

[madisonsmadhouse]

If someone can show me a deal that doesnt include Wallace or Deng that matches up salary-wise, then I will start to believe.

At this point I don't even think a plausible deal is even possible.

If Deng is included, we better get Bynum back as well to offset the losses of Noah and Thomas.

[Steve9347]

They aren't trading Deng. Don't even bother talking about that.

[ZoomSlowik]

If someone can show me a deal that doesnt include Wallace or Deng that matches up salary-wise, then I will start to believe.

At this point I don't even think a plausible deal is even possible.

There are financially feasible deals, it just involves giving up like 5 players minimum. Gordon and his 4.8 mil salary is a fairly major start, Noah and/or Tyrus adds a few more mil, and then you close the gap by throwing in guys like Duhon, Khyrapa, Griffin, Noc if you wait until December, or maybe a sign-and-trade with Brown. Then of course there's Kirk, but he's a base-year compensation guy so it doesn't help that much. The bigger thing is matching salaries and still getting the talent close, since you're basically throwing a lot of crap at them to match the salaries without sending Deng or Hinrich (neither of which makes much sense).

[b-riann]

i'd give up noc, duhon, gordon, noah, and a 1st round pick for kobe

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

Before all of this I liked the idea of trading Kirk and Ben with a backcourt of Thabo and Kobe but now that I've seen Thabo's lack of progression I don't like that idea anymore.

I've read that Kobe wants to play with Big Ben and the Bulls have already stated they are not including Deng in any Kobe related trades so throw Wallace and Deng out of the picture for players going to LA. That leaves you with these "good" players.

Kirk
Ben Gordon
Nocioni

Also you have the "Young Talent" which includes

Tyrus
Joakim Noah
Thabo

LA is going to want atleast 2 of Chicago "Good" players and its not likely we give up Kirk because we would have no point guard capable of being a starter (Duhon still sucks). So now its..

Nocioni + Gordon

If they can't get equal value for Kobe (Which they can't) they will demand a young talented player or two to help sweeten the deal. That could mean Joakim or Tyrus basically and I think Pax has always left the option open that we may not keep Noah even if we drafted him. Especially because of the signs Aaron Gray has shown so far this preseason.

Nocioni + Gordon + Noah

Those 3 players equal a grand total of $15,517,069 which still doesn't quite equal Kobe Bryant's $19,490,625 contract. Now is where the fillers come into play. I don't see much sense in keeping Khryapa because he will never get any playing time even if Nocioni leaves so throw him on board. That just about equals Kobe's contract. Now we can't just send our whole team over there so we are going to need some of there lesser players as well to stay within 12 players so they can give us Maurice Evan's expiring contract. Then you can throw in Duhon's 3 million dollar contract to finalize the deal. So the deal could be..

Nocioni + Gordon + Noah + Duhon + Khryapa for Kobe Bryant and Maurice Evans

Which means..

PG Hinrich
SG Kobe
SF Deng
PF Smith
C Wallace

Bench:

Tyrus
Thabo
Gray
Griffin
JamesOn
Gardner

That bench kind of sucks and we still need 3 more players I believe to get to the 15 player roster so we'd have to sign guys. This is why this Kobe trade is so hard to even fathom. If we can't get rid of Big Ben or Kirk, that makes the deal so hard but I just showed you one way its possible hehe.

[GreatScott82]

Phil Jackson admitting there has been talks pretty much daily with the Bulls says a lot. It says Pax is interested after all. I expect nothing to get done before December 15th. At that date the Bulls can deal Nocioni. If they extend Deng they CANT deal him until the offseason. So i highly expect them to extend Deng, not Gordon. .
I'm guessing Paxson's final offer come December 15th will be:
Nocioni (8.5 Mill), Gordon (4.88 Mill), Thomas (3.5 Mill), Khryapa ( 2 Mill) =18.88 Mill

Bryant (19.49 Mill)

I think Tyrus Thomas being involved will be the key ingrediant that gets the deal done. The Bulls will still keep Noah as they will need a back up at PF for Joe Smith. Plus there are talks that the Bulls may aqcuire Juwan Howard to bring back alittle depth to the bench.

One thing that may prevent this deal from ever happening is the Lakers or Bulls getting off to amazing starts. If this happens I expect Pax to just "wait" for the offseason.

A lineup of:
Hinrich PG - Duhon, Curry
Bryant SG - Sefolosha, Griffin
Deng SF - Griffin
Smith PF - Howard, Noah
Wallace C- Noah, Gray

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

I just can't see us getting rid of Ty Thomas when they could get rid of Noah. Like I said before I think Paxon got him in case of a Kobe trade and from what I had read after the draft reporters didn't seem to confident this guy would even be on the opening day roster because they figured he might be traded. That trade would probably work though GreatScott82 ^^

[Steve9347]

I just can't see us getting rid of Ty Thomas when they could get rid of Noah. Like I said before I think Paxon got him in case of a Kobe trade and from what I had read after the draft reporters didn't seem to confident this guy would even be on the opening day roster because they figured he might be traded. That trade would probably work though GreatScott82 ^^

We get it, you loooove Tyrus. Tyrus can do no wrong, we must hedge all our wages on him, etc etc.

At least you stick to your guns though, I respect that, but I think if Kobe comes here, Mr. Thomas goes to LA. I have a feeling that the Lakers want Tyrus more than they want Noah, because they have to get some sort of highlight reel dunker coming back.

I think GreatScott's proposed deal is very realistic and one of the better ones I've heard out there. Good work, most of these Kobe to the Bulls proposed deals have been dumb but that one was good.

[GreatScott82]

By all means... If we can get Kobe for a package of Nocioni, Gordon, Noah and Krhyapa.. YOU DO IT in a heart beat... I think that only happens if Kobe continues to back LA in a corner by December 15th. We have to remember that Kobe has a no trade clause which not only gives him leverage but it gives the Bulls leverage because they won't have to give up as much. I love Noah's energy but you get that same energy in Thomas. And i also think Gray will be more valuable to this team than Noah because of his size down low.

The fact that they are talking every day makes things interesting.. that means that a trade can't involve Nocioni if they do it now. Which would also indicate that LA wants Deng AND Gordon with probably Noah in a deal. IMO the 2 guys you can't give up are Hinrich and Deng..the reason is, they play stellar DEFENSE which is hard to come by in the NBA.

[Chicago Bulls Fr...]

I just think your giving a way a whole lot of talent if you include Tyrus in the deal instead of Joakim. Yeah I like Tyrus but Joakim just screams LA at you with his personality and all. He'd make a nice fit right next to Ronnie Turiaf who is another freak of nature.

[Steve9347]

I just think your giving a way a whole lot of talent if you include Tyrus in the deal instead of Joakim. Yeah I like Tyrus but Joakim just screams LA at you with his personality and all. He'd make a nice fit right next to Ronnie Turiaf who is another freak of nature.

Tyrus isn't the kind of player that stops a trade to get Kobe.

Seriously.

[ZoomSlowik]

GreatScott, your math is a little off, though I do think that if it gets done it will look similar to that. Nocioni is a base year compensation player, which means you can only count half of his current salary in an out-going trade. That means we'd have to add a bit more crap to get close, though to fit under the rules we only need to get to about $15.5 mil. That probably just means sending like Adrian Griffin or maybe Duhon as well.