why does everyone hate on tyrus? i dont get it.

Because the only time he shows any potential is in Summer League or in garbage minutes, and even then he still can't finish.

It will be good to see what Noah can do on D aginst Brook Lopez a really good post player.

lol, of course, you only highlight that. My point was directed towards getting to the foul line. Even if he's a horrible finisher, yet he's still getting to the line, what the hell does it matter?

I don't hate him. I like him a hell of a lot more than I like Noah. I'd deal Noah any day of the week before I traded Tyrus (assuming they had similar trade values). Tyrus has the ability to be a difference maker. Joakim Noah doesn't.

The big reason some people hate Tyrus is because he hasn't exactly endeared himself to the fans or said/done all the right things. The other thing is that some people ignore all of his mistakes and consider him amazing while others hammer everything little mistake and think he's pure crap. The reality is he's a kid who has the potential to be good to very good (no, not a 30PPG scorer or even a 20 PPG scorer, but he could be a 17PPG, 12 RPG, 2.5 BPG difference maker) and its a matter of actually getting him minutes and seeing if he can develop.

The Bulls had trouble getting him minutes because at times he's been very immature (again, rubbing those who hate him, the wrong way). I see both sides to it and probably fall more in line with a Tyrus backer (simply because on this forum, there are tons of Tyrus "haters"). This will be a make or break season for him.

Thus far he's done everything right this off-season and that is a great first step and a strong first impression to make to the new coaching regime.

Technically speaking if your a horrible finisher at some point teams will stop falling you and let you miss those shots. The reality is he's not really a horrible finisher, he's just a very raw player. He has the moves to get into the paint and take shots that will have a high percentage of going in or him getting fouled (and thus going to the line). IIRC, he shot something close to 80% from the free throw line starting around December (pretty damn solid if you ask me).

Tyrus is making improvements and I think this new coaching staff, teamed with his improved attitude (he's a kid, he's allowed to have an adjustment period) will be very helpful for him.

In the Summer League Tyrus is light years ahead of most of the people on the floor athletically, has two years of NBA experience, and quite frankly should be destroying these people because he's one of the top 5 or so players in this league. 90% of these guys won't see the active roster in the NBA. He's simply not going to get 13 shots and 8 FT attempts per game in the regular season, which means he simply won't be scoring as much by default. It'll also be harder for him to drive and get those attempts when he does get a chance against guys that won't be in the NBDL, overseas, or working a real job in a few weeks. He'll also likely get far fewer calls as he'll no longer be the best and most aggressive player on the floor most of the time.

Derrick Rose will not play in today's summer league game. Tyrus Thomas wont' be playing in any more summer league games.

Rose may actually be shut-down for at least the remainder of the week, if not for the remainder of summer league play.

Isn't there only one more summer league game anyways?

Is it only 5 games? I have no idea.

That's all under the assumption that he's going to play at the same level he did last year. If he steps it up, who knows.

He'd still be the 4th option AT BEST as things stand right now. Unless he has EXPONENTIAL improvement over last year it ain't going to happen. Obviously I and several others doubt he'll be a major scoring threat against NBA competition in the near future. Even if he did keep driving and scoring, 13 shots and 8 FT's is a usage rate he's not touching, there are very few people in the league that draw enough fouls to get 8 FT's a game (and they're all star-level scorers). Asking for 12 points and 8 boards from him is one thing, that's an entirely different one. I'd actually have more hope for him being a productive scorer if he had scored like 14 a game on 50-something percent shooting than what he did, that scoring rate is very similar to last season.

While you make a valid point with the shot totals and all you also have to consider that in the regular season when we get him accustomed to a consistent starting 5 unit there will be other scorers on the floor to draw attention away from him and make his scoring opportunities easier. Rose's driving ability for one will be huge for him. And if we start Rose & Gordon which is a big if then a Rose, Gordon, Deng lineup will free up so many open looks for Tyrus it won't be funny and he'll soon be respected much like Tyson has earned respect in New Orleans. He won't get 13 shots but he'll get 8-10 quality shots. And if he gets 8-10 quality shots he'll make 5-6 of them a night and maybe 3-4 free throws and that's 13-16 ppg. That's all the scoring I want out of him this year. I want that scoring, 9-11 rpg, and 2 bpg. That's the kind of increase in production that I'd like to see. Then we can worry about the next year.

It may take some time and maybe more than we'd all like but he didn't have to play in the Summer League. Just ask Thabo. He chose to play. Obviously guys in the summer league view playing against Tyrus as a personal challenge and a stage to show what they have. That's why even if he was a 20 or 30 ppg scorer he can't show it in the pre-season.

While I agree that he's not a 20 - 30 ppg scorer I also don't think it was necessary for him to come out here and average that in the pre-season. I just wanted him to come out and play well and play hard and most importantly make a good impression on the coaching staff. And when it was all said and done I think he accomplished those 3 things. Tyrus will be fine. My faith in him has slowly been rising and when he was drafted I was the happiest fan alive. Sure he stumbled out of the gate but I still remember watching those LSU games praying that we could add this guy to the Bulls.

He is a Bull much like Chandler was and we better not sell the franchise short again by not realizing what we have.

For crying out loud. Tyrus played really well looking at the box scores. He only played 27.4 mpg and he averaged 18 ppg, averaged 7.7 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 1 spg, and shot 83.3% from the line.

Extrapolate that out to 35 mpg and you get 23 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.55 bpg, & 1.2 spg. Those are very solid stats.

On the flip side, I'd say it was Noah who didn't bring much of a game. Especially considering he's a full 1 1/2 years older than Tyrus and that he should have been busting his but after his recent run in with the law.

Noah averaged about 21 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, .5 spg, .5 bpg (that's not a freakin typo .5 freakin bpg. When you're that tall you shouldn't even have to jump to block .5 a game) and shot a poor 57.9% from the line.

Extrapolate that out and the only thing he did well was rebound. He'd be averaging 10 rpg, 12.2 ppg, .83 bpg, & .83 spg. He didn't shoot as much as Tyrus and that's why the scoring isn't as good but the .83 bpg, & .83 spg tells me he wasn't trying that hard. He probably thought the whole prea-seaso n thing was a joke.

If we could trade Noah & Nocioni for someone like Kaman or Okafor I'd be all over it. I see the Noah saga ending on a bad note and I'd like to get max value for him before that happens. I hope I'm wrong b/c I do like him as a player and I hope he does great things for the Bulls but I think he'll either alienate himself from the city by misbehaving or he'll eventually leave as a free agent to NY. I think that's where he always wanted to be and that's where he'll go the first opportunity he has.