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post May 7 2006, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 5 2006, 09:36 PM)
Drafting Tyrus Thomas will be the worst mistake that any team who drafts him has ever made.

If the Bulls draft him, I foresee it being worse than Tyson/Brand.

Yep, he's Stromile Swift 2.0, even went to the same school.
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post May 7 2006, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (The Gladiator @ May 6 2006, 08:15 PM)
LMFAO! he is the Best player IMO in the draft and WILL be an Allstar as will Aldridge. I would love either one of them. Thomas will be a superstar because hes so young and will develop his offensive game in 1-2 years. His Defense is already great. Should block 2 shots a game given the oppurtunity. If I had the choice, Tyrus Thomas would EASILY be my choice 100/100 times!

I don't know why people are so down on Thomas. From all accounts, Tyrus is a hard worker and plays with passion---traits that are hard to find from many top prospects--on top of his off the charts athleticism.
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post May 7 2006, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (beck72 @ May 7 2006, 03:32 AM)
I don't know why people are so down on Thomas. From all accounts, Tyrus is a hard worker and plays with passion---traits that are hard to find from many top prospects--on top of his off the charts athleticism.

Tyrus is an athlete not a basketball player imo. I just don't see him being much of a player in the nba.
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post May 7 2006, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (The Gladiator @ May 6 2006, 08:15 PM)
LMFAO! he is the Best player IMO in the draft and WILL be an Allstar as will Aldridge. I would love either one of them. Thomas will be a superstar because hes so young and will develop his offensive game in 1-2 years. His Defense is already great. Should block 2 shots a game given the oppurtunity. If I had the choice, Tyrus Thomas would EASILY be my choice 100/100 times!

Nope. He'll be worse than Stromile Swift. Thats his comparison as of right now, but with less talent and more potential. As we've seen with Tyson, athleticism doesn't always get you somewhere.
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post May 7 2006, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (beck72 @ May 7 2006, 03:32 AM)
________ is a hard worker and plays with passion---traits that are hard to find from many top prospects--on top of his off the charts athleticism.

Fill in the blank with someone on the Bulls......

Hmmm, lets see. Who fits those characteristics?
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post May 7 2006, 01:28 PM
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There will be no blockbuster trades, simple enough

Also, a lot of proposed trades on this board leave the bulls without the 4th quarter finisher Ben is developing into.

Our back court is great. remember that Ben and Kirk will be even better next year when there is someone in the low post that calls for a double team.

The bulls DO NOT, o repeat, DO NOT need another undersized big man. Tyrus thomas, al harrington, none of these guys are necessary. Deng has virtually the same build as them and as much potential and Noc is already our guy that can play both forward spots.

Lots of other posts left the bulls with garnett or aldridge or someone else too small or thin to play center.

We need bulk in the middle. Because there are no really really talented bulky centers, the bulls should sign mohammed or pryzbilla to be that guy.

For the pf spot i really want to see aldridge unless we can trade for someone like garnett or jermaine oneal, but those are very unlikely to occur.

With the second pick we will take a guard who needs size and defense who can come off the bench. Ronnie Brewer perhaps?

PG hinrich/duhon/free agent
sg gordon/#16 pick/deng (working on his shot)
sf deng/noc
pf aldridge/chandler/allen
C mohammed/chandler/schenscher (not a bad 12th man as a legit 7footer)

Not radically different from last year but this team is so young and has limitless potential. With bulk and size in the middle we are much better off defensively and with aldridge scoring down low you can expect ppg jumps from hinrich/gordon/deng/noc. This team is still hard working and very versatile as you can put aldridge, chandler at 4 or 5, noc at 3 or 4, deng at 2 or 3 and hinrich at 1 or 2. This team will be a top 4 team next year and after that be a contender.
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post May 7 2006, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (sport1016 @ May 7 2006, 01:21 PM)
There will be no blockbuster trades, simple enough

Also, a lot of proposed trades on this board leave the bulls without the 4th quarter finisher Ben is developing into. 

Our back court is great.  remember that Ben and Kirk will be even better next year when there is someone in the low post that calls for a double team.

The bulls DO NOT, o repeat, DO NOT need another undersized big man.  Tyrus thomas, al harrington, none of these guys are necessary.  Deng has virtually the same build as them and as much potential and Noc is already our guy that can play both forward spots.

Lots of other posts left the bulls with garnett or aldridge or someone else too small or thin to play center. 

We need bulk in the middle.  Because there are no really really talented bulky centers, the bulls should sign mohammed or pryzbilla to be that guy.   

For the pf spot i really want to see aldridge unless we can trade for someone like garnett or jermaine oneal, but those are very unlikely to occur. 

With the second pick we will take a guard who needs size and defense who can come off the bench.  Ronnie Brewer perhaps? 

PG hinrich/duhon/free agent
sg gordon/#16 pick/deng (working on his shot)
sf deng/noc
pf aldridge/chandler/allen
C mohammed/chandler/schenscher (not a bad 12th man as a legit 7footer)

Not radically different from last year but this team is so young and has limitless potential.  With bulk and size in the middle we are much better off defensively and with aldridge scoring down low you can expect ppg jumps from hinrich/gordon/deng/noc.  This team is still hard working and very versatile as you can put aldridge, chandler at 4 or 5, noc at 3 or 4, deng at 2 or 3 and hinrich at 1 or 2.  This team will be a top 4 team next year and after that be a contender.

I agree with most of what you said.... except you said that we do not need an undersized front court player..... Yeah it would be better to get taller of course... But size is overrated in this league.. I wouldnt mind having a guy like Sheldon Williams in this team.... And Tyrus Thomas isnt too bad... It all matters on what you do on the court... look at guys like Ben Wallace, and EBrand... theyre good because they are small and quick and have quick lateral movement to guard the pick and rolls, and are quick at rotating... And it doesnt really matter how tall a player is, it mostly depends on the player's wing-span and timming to get blocks... But i do agree that we definatly need a guy that can take some space down-low, and can bang in there....

And you said that Kirk and Ben will be better next year when the Bulls get a guy that calls for double teams.... We are not getting a guy that calls for double teams next year.... Theres no one in the draft, or in free agency that will do that for us next year... unless we trade for some1... But i really dont see that happening.... But yes, Ben and Kirk will be wayyyy better when teams know that they have to focus there defense also in the paint, instead of just focusing on the perimeter....
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post May 7 2006, 02:56 PM
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I agree that height isn't the biggest thing, seeing as brand is 6'8 and ben wallace 6'9, but they both have bulk that neither al harrington or tyrus thomas have.

I just can't go through another season where we are getting pushed around down low night in and night out. I would rather see noc full time at pf then either of them because he has the bulk.

the double teams will come if we draft aldridge. If not next year, then the one after.

Remember, a lot of top rookies don't have the greatest first years because they are coming to a team where they are instantly the focal point. Whoever we draft is coming to a situation where he will have a specific role on an established team, and that situation is much more a breeding ground for instant success then being "the guy" from the start.

RANDOM: I hope we bring back AD as a bench player for veteran leadership, especially if we don't bring back othella, who stepped in for AD this year and took over that role.
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post May 7 2006, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (sport1016 @ May 7 2006, 02:49 PM)
I agree that height isn't the biggest thing, seeing as brand is 6'8 and ben wallace 6'9, but they both have bulk that neither al harrington or tyrus thomas have.

I just can't go through another season where we are getting pushed around down low night in and night out. I would rather see noc full time at pf then either of them because he has the bulk.

the double teams will come if we draft aldridge. If not next year, then the one after.

Remember, a lot of top rookies don't have the greatest first years because they are coming to a team where they are instantly the focal point. Whoever we draft is coming to a situation where he will have a specific role on an established team, and that situation is much more a breeding ground for instant success then being "the guy" from the start.

RANDOM: I hope we bring back AD as a bench player for veteran leadership, especially if we don't bring back othella, who stepped in for AD this year and took over that role.

Yes im with u that we souldnt get Al Harrington... i see him more as a small foward.... And yeah i do believe that Alridge will be a decent low post player that teams have to pay attention to, and that will help out both Ben and Kirk Tremendously.... I say we keep both of these players and be patient for the future... Great things will come with both of these players..
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I didnt feel like making a new thread for this but isnt this WEIRD?!?!?

“When he was in the seventh grade,” Jim Hinrich said, “his English teacher had them predict what they were going to do in 10 years. You were supposed to seal the envelope and then write on it, ‘Do not open until 2005.’ My wife opened it last summer, and one of his predictions was, ‘I’m going to be a starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls.’”

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post May 7 2006, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (The Gladiator @ May 7 2006, 09:14 PM)
I didnt feel like making a new thread for this but isnt this WEIRD?!?!?

“When he was in the seventh grade,” Jim Hinrich said, “his English teacher had them predict what they were going to do in 10 years. You were supposed to seal the envelope and then write on it, ‘Do not open until 2005.’ My wife opened it last summer, and one of his predictions was, ‘I’m going to be a starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls.’”

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Shame he isn't a true PG or that might actually be a pretty cool coincidence.
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QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7 2006, 06:14 PM)
Shame he isn't a true PG or that might actually be a pretty cool coincidence.

he could be in the right system... but Kirk is definatly a point guard... he just plays the Shooting position because of lack of a back up SG. He is forced to do that....
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post May 8 2006, 12:21 AM
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Draft Aldridge
Draft Brewer
Sign Nene
Sign Antonio Davis

C Aldridge
PF NENE
SF Deng
SG Brewer
PG Hinrich


Bench
Gordon 6th man
Duhon
Nocioni
Chandler
Sweetney
Harrington
Allen
Davis
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post May 8 2006, 03:58 AM
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i'm good with that except ben will probably start over brewer

i think he went to the basket and the foul line enough this series to realize it is the key to his success and that if he ever wants to be an all star he'll have to do it.

We will know how the bulls feel about ben as an all star candidate by how they use their second draft pick. If they draft a second big man then you can asssume the bulls are fine with simply using deng at sg for defensive purposes in stints and plan to have ben play early and often. If they draft someone like Brewer who should be a starter one day in the NBA it will show they have their doubts.
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post May 8 2006, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 7 2006, 11:22 AM)
Fill in the blank with someone on the Bulls......

Hmmm, lets see. Who fits those characteristics?

I was talking about "top prospects" who busted their tails and played the game right. For that matter, trying to find many all-stars around the league who bust their tails night in and night out are hard to find as well.

I think Paxson and Skiles are looking for Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen type players. I know the Bulls have many of hard working players on their roster. now they just need some guys with more talent
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