The only way I dont draft rose is if we get some ridiculous trade that involves both Deng and T2.

Luol Deng also can not be traded until after the draft.

As things stand right now, I'd go with Beasley. Stick him at PF right now and your team is in pretty good shape. He's more of a perimeter 4, but he's got the strength and rebounding to pull it off. Rose is obviously a viable option as well, but that'd involve Paxson actually making a trade involving organization man-crush Kirk Hinrich. We wouldn't miss him with Rose on the roster, but I don't think you can afford to just give him away like you did with Chandler, you need to get something of value back (ideally inside, talk to the Clippers about Brand for Kirk and Tyrus).

How about Noah/Kirk for Kaman? We keep Gooden and Tyrus and a set for years to come? Would that make anybody besides me happy? The Clippers then get a PG which they need and Noah who's not an offensive player would probably be more happy playing next to Brand who is a scorer than Kaman will be.

How about Noah/Kirk for Kaman? We keep Gooden and Tyrus and a set for years to come? Would that make anybody besides me happy? The Clippers then get a PG which they need and Noah who's not an offensive player would probably be more happy playing next to Brand who is a scorer than Kaman will be.

Replace Noah with Tyrus and that's a deal I'd do. Noah + Kaman looks much better than Tyrus + Kaman. But Brand + Noah looks better than both.

Rose...special

Beasley...really good

Beasley is a shorter Derek Coleman/ Rasheed Wallace type. They were/are solid players that were all-stars and key components to teams but not always motivated and/or great character guys.

Rose is special in that he has the speed of Chris Paul but the strength of Deron Williams. He plays outstanding D and gets his teammates involved. He is a hard worker and has a great attitude. I don't know how you pass on him.

It has to be Rose.

Eh, you can easily fudge things the other way, it's not like scorers like Beasley come around every draft either. Someone can easily say Rose is like Tony Parker and Beasley is like a stronger Carmelo Anthony and it's not exactly a stretch either (Rasheed isn't really a good comparison). Both guys have amazing ability and should be elite players on the next level. To me it just depends on what kind of moves they can make with the roster.

Why?

I have changed my stance from last night that I wanted Beasley. After seriously contemplating what both players will bring all night long, I have no doubt we need to take Rose.

I think we could still get a decent return for Kirk.

I think our dream lineup when all is said and done is the following.

Noah
Brand
Deng
Hughes/Gordon
Rose

That'd be rather ridiculous...

hmm You really like Hughes?

No but chances are he sticks around if we solve the PF issue with Brand. I'm a realist!

Who's No. 1: Rose or Beasley?

After seeing the two play as rising seniors in Las Vegas in July of 2006, the talent was unmistakable. And despite considerable hype around O.J. Mayo, they leapfrogged him to 1 and 2 on the NBADraft.net 2008 mock draft.

Beasley has not only been the most dominant college basketball player in the country (averaging 26 and 12), but the most dominant freshman in recent memory. His numbers trump last season's player of the year Durant, and since early in the season, he's been considered the odds-on favorite to be the top pick this year. But a funny thing happened during the NCAA tournament, as folks got to see just how dominant and important Derrick Rose can be to a team, with Memphis coming a missed free throw from winning a national championship.

Speaking to NBA scouts, it appears to be a dead heat as to which of the two should be the first pick. Some still prefer Beasley, while others have swung to Rose. One thing is clear, there's a significant drop-off after the top two selections. Let's examine the pros and cons of both players.

Michael Beasley

Pros: Beasley has the potential to be a 25 and 10 guy at the next level. He can be absolutely dominant offensively as the game comes so effortlessly to him. His amazing body control and aggressiveness allows him to jump into the lane and spontaneously make plays around the rim. His touch is, in a word, special, and gives him the ability to effortlessly score in bunches. His versatility to play physical and score inside or on the perimeter gives him a ton of offensive potential.

Beasley's combination of agility and strength is extremely rare. He often rebounds missed shots way out of his position using his phenomenal body control and soft hands to tip the ball to himself. Beasley has a man's body at 18 years of age and seems to enjoy contact.

Forcing someone like him to play two years of college (a rule the NBA is considering for the future) would border on the ridiculous. His game is NBA-ready now, and he should have no trouble equaling what Durant did this year in Seattle, only with more efficiency.

Cons: Beasley came into Manhattan, Kan. with the reputation of a loose cannon. While he has been a model citizen since arriving on campus showing that he has matured, there are still greater character concerns with him than with Rose. For a player with such immense talent, why is it that he was not asked to come back to play his senior season at Oak Hill Academy?

Is he a player that cares more about statistics and individual accolades than winning? Beasley's decision to attend Kansas State over a team like North Carolina, UConn, or Kansas can be seen as a knock against him in the sense that he chose a team where he could display his individual talent instead of playing for a national championship.

The effortless nature of his game could actually turn into a negative. A number of scouts feel that Beasley could turn into another Derrick Coleman. And while that may not be such a terrible thing (DC averaged 20 and 10 for five seasons), Coleman is seen as a bit of a bust, given the amount of talent he possessed. He seemed to enjoy the NBA life over the competition and striving to be a champion. There is the fear that without proper work habits, Beasley will become just a talented jump shooter, not fully utilizing all of his physical talents.

Beasley's NBA position is also a bit of a question mark. Is he a 3 or a 4? It depends who you ask. While he has the strength to rebound against NBA power forwards and the range to play on the perimeter, he's still on the small side for a NBA PF at 6-9, 235 lbs and lacks the foot speed of most NBA small forwards. He has the talent to play whatever position he wants, but without a clear-cut position, it is a slight detriment. How big a problem this will be is questionable, but it's certainly worthy of consideration in the debate.

Derrick Rose

Pros: Playing the point, Rose will have the ball in his hands, and he has shown the rare ability to run a team and make his teammates better. His speed and athletic advantage allow him to dominate opponents on both ends of the floor. And while Beasley is a solid defender, Rose can absolutely lock down opposing point guards as he showed in the tourney against highly regarded Darren Collison and D.J. Augustin. As great as Rose has been at the college level, his game seems better suited to the pro game where more athletic teammates will be able to fully utilize all of his talents.

With the great success that Utah and New Orleans have found taking point guards high in the draft in Deron Williams and Chris Paul, the value of a game-changing point guard continues to rise. Rose has a chance to be every bit as good as these two, which is a big statement considering both players would rate in the top 10 in value among all NBA players.

One scout told me, "It's a no-brainer, he's a quicker Jason Kidd, but Rose can actually shoot it a little bit." Rose puts such tremendous pressure on opponents with his blinding speed and ability to push the ball up the floor. He has excellent vision and passing ability to set teammates up and is nearly impossible for any guard to contain single-handedly. He has Tony Parker quickness to get by opponents and into the lane, only he's 6-3 and can finish at the rim.

Cons: He's 6-3 and not 6-9 like Beasley. The bigger the player, the bigger their opportunity is to impose their will on games, or so the logic goes. Most of the lead dogs on recent NBA championship teams (Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan) have been 6-9 and over, with Jordan, Isiah and Wade being the exceptions.

Rose is not a lights-out shooter and often defers to teammates in the clutch. While he had a big scoring push in the final five minutes of the national championship game to give Memphis a nine-point lead, he still needs to work on his jump shot's consistency and range. He seemed to improve as the season went on, and has a solid shot, but he's not likely to be as big a factor scoring as Beasley in the short or long term.

Coming so close and not winning the national championship. Will this have a lingering effect on his career a la Chris Webber? Rose won't be viewed as the goat that Webber became after the time out incident. Not to mention, Rose's bad habits include eating candy for breakfast, which is a lot easier habit to break than Webber's well-documented recreational activities.

The Choice

Derrick Rose. If the decision is made to take the player that gives a team the greatest chance to win NBA titles, the obvious choice is Rose. The value of being able to impact a game individually as well as enhancing the level of teammates is too much to pass on. Rose also brings a greater impact on the defensive end of the floor, and while he likely will never match Beasley's offensive output, his overall impact on the game will be greater. So many NBA teams are rudderless, languishing through season after season with no direction. When you have a true point guard, like Williams or Paul, you have a team. As great as Paul is, a strong contender for MVP after leading the Hornets to a franchise best 56-win season, Rose has a chance to be as good, if not better.

That's an interesting claim that Rose clearly gives them a better chance to win a title considering that the top-5 point guards since 1990 (Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Paul and Williams) have zero titles between them and the last 3 have all been eliminated. Ducan and Shaq have basically dominated the preceedings recently, though the Pistons did crack the run a bit and Wade was better when the Heat won. Granted Beasley isn't a dominant big man quite along those lines even if he could put up 20-10 for a long time...

Eh, I'm nitpicking, who gives a spiff, they're both awesome. Figure out which one fits your long term plans better and take him.

In reality if I am Pax I put together a package of players and offer it around the NBA for either a scoring PF or a true PG. Which ever one I can trade for, I draft the respective player to fill in the roster.

I go with the 25-10 guy in Beasley. The biggest thing the Bulls have lacked since MJ left was a go to scorer. Their offense consistantly breaks down and wasted offensive trips. A guy like that gives you someone who can bail you out.

In reality if I am Pax I put together a package of players and offer it around the NBA for either a scoring PF or a true PG. Which ever one I can trade for, I draft the respective player to fill in the roster.

Unfortunately two big trade pieces in Deng and Gordon cannot be dealt before the draft.

Let me just add this before Zoom or SoxFan1 do. Those stats you threw out for Rose likely won't happen in year 1. I think he will average somewhere around 13.5+ppg, 7 apg, 2 spg in his first year. That's why I think we should re-sign Duhon and ship Kirk out of here. I think we'll need a solid backup and I'm not sure Thabo will be that at the PG position. I don't want Kirk to stay b/c I don't want him being the starter. For better or worse I want Rose to start every game (barring injury) next season. I don't want any of those Scott Skiles lineups.

In a few years I could see him throwing up Chris Paul #'s with double digit assist totals.