There is a rumor going around involving a deal that would send Hinrich to the Bucks for the 8th overall selection and expiring picks. This move could make sense, especially if the Bulls are serious about holding onto both Gordon/Deng (as the reality is, if you take Rose one of Hinrich/Gordon/Deng would need to move).

I don't know what the Bulls would target at 8, but they clearly are big fans of Lopez and most project him to go off the boards around the 7th spot, but there are some other interesting guys that could be available at 7. Plus the Bulls would be clearing Hinrich's contract and building more expiring contracts (which could be very very valuable).

To go on with this train of thought, the New York Post has indicated that the Chicago Bulls will definately move Kirk Hinrich after selecting Rose (no indication to whom or the timing but it would make a lot of sense, considering Rose would obviously be the PG of the future and Hinrich is still a solid player but he's not a pure SG).

Hinrich should still have value and the Bulls will have some contracts like Larry Hughes as well so they should be able to do some creative things after the draft (cause the reality is they probably could use without the extra lottery picks and if they did get another pick or two I'd imagine they'd package those picks with expiring contracts for a good veteran player, say an Elton Brand or a Michael Redd, etc).

Everything I've read in the past 2 days says that Pax is going to wait to trade Kirk until he gets the Deng/Gordon contracts resolved. And I've also read that Joe Alexander to the Bucks at #8 is a lock. I don't think this rumor has much to it. If it did, could we be talking about drafting Beasley #1 and Augustin #8?

Another rumor floated out by Rich Bucher is that the Bulls have recently talked to the Heat about a deal which would send Wade to Chicago (and didn't involve the #1 pick). That would obviously mean a large amount of talent would be headed towards Miami (Hinrich being one of the obvious parties, who knows who else).

Still, I'd be hard pressed to seeing Chicago being able to make such move without giving up the top pick.

Without sending #1 I don't see how it can be any less than Hinrich, Deng and Thomas/Thabo, unless I underestimate Wade's injuries and/or their desire to move him (which seems non-existant to me). They seem pretty set on taking Mayo because they think he'll blend well with Wade, it'd just be weird to turn around and trade him after that.

I have difficulty seeing this team moving Hinrich to make room for a player like Augustin to be our only PG.

I mean, we have the assets in both contracts and players to do a deal for Wade and actually do it fairly without giving up the #1 because of how deep we are, but the reality is, any version of that deal pretty much requires the Heat to decide they're going in to 100% rebuilding mode. The guys we'd give up are either not nearly stars like D-Wade so they'd be guys you're hoping can be good 2-3 options alongside Beasley/Mayo in a couple years (Deng, Gordon, Hinrich), or they're contracts that expire within 2 years (Gooden, Hughes) or they're young guys you're trying to develop (Tyrus, Noah, Thabo).

We could do it and it could be fair, but frankly I just don't see why the Heat would do it.

Then what do you think we'd do with the 1st and 8th pick?

Frankly I don't have a clue.

where did you see this?
i think if the bulls did do this it would be either beasley/augustin or rose/jordan, but im not really sure why they would do that because love, westbrook, gordon, mayo, and bayless would all be gone.

The idea of bring Chris Bosh to the bulls was out on another thread. We could trade the #8 pick, Gordon/Deng, Tyrus, maybe one other player of their choice that would make it fair?

They're saying in another thread that the TJ Ford/Jermaine O'Neal swap finally seems to be getting done with O'Neal going to the Raptors, so I find it pretty hard to believe they wouldn't try pairing Bosh and O'Neal for a year or two to see if they've got something.

Well I don't know who we'd go after with the number 8 pick. I sure hope its not Brook Lopez. That guy has mega bust written all over him.

I'd love to have DWade if it didn't involve giving up the number 1 pick but then I don't even know what we could even give them that would be worth considering..

I'm a fan of Brandon Rush but he's projected to go in the teens..

Technically speaking, I would have no problem moving those three individuals (not Thabo, but Thomsa can be a part of the package) and than use the #1 pick on Beasley (who I think would be a good fit to slide into the 3 spot). Than again, Wade & Rose in a backcourt would be very intriguing as well as those two guys could penetrate all day long and create for other players.

The Bulls have always been big fans of Love and I would expect him to be the pick at 8 (unless Lopez somehow falls to 8). They still need that big with an offensive game and both Lopez/Love possess exactly that (and Tyrus/Noah are both athletic freaks that can handle the better defensive big on any team so you shouldn't be hurt by Lopez/Love's less than desirable athletic ability).

Drew Gooden is apparently on the block as well.

This came off a Bucks fan forum where the poster who brought up the information is well respected and known to have inside connections. It has since flowed through to a couple Bulls forums, including this one.

Another option is for the Bulls to make that deal, acquire a lotto pick that makes the Wolves legit players for Alexander and throwing out a deal to acquire the 3rd overall pick (and get Beasley, if in fact, Pax has fallen in love with both guys). However, that would be a very interesting idea and I'd be all about picking up Bosh.

However, it looks like Toronto is going to acquire jermaine O'Neal for TJ Ford and that will give them a pretty formidable low post duo if O'Neal is healthy (plus it gives them a nice expiring contract in two years). Ford was injury prone (like O'Neal) and is expandable given the emergence of Calderon.

I'd be shocked if Love was still there at 8....
THAT'S they guy I'd want if Pax makes a move.

Heck, if the Heat are really taking the Rose or Bust approach, you could work out a deal where you swap 1st round picks (one of the incentives the Bulls give up) plus Hughes/Hinrich/Tyrus Thomas or something along those lines. The Bulls get Wade, play him alongside Sefolosha and Deng (I'm perfectly happy with that). Beasley comes in as a scoring option as well. Wade can handle the point, Sefolosha is a solid point forward/2 guard (defensively strong), and the Bulls swing a deal involving Gordon or someone else to strengthen the low post?

With the trades going on and the rumors of some of these smaller guards moving up in the draft (Eric Gordon's of the world), you will likely see one of Love/Lopez fall a couple spots.

Another option is if the Bulls move Deng in some sort of deal is to go after Rush, who, I feel will make an immediate impact in this league and is incredibly under-valued because he consistently took on a lesser role because he had so much other tremendous talent around him.

I think Wade wants to play off the ball now.....
I don't think Miami knows what the hell they're doing.

In that case, you could potentially build a trade around Deng as opposed to Hinrich and utilize a Hinrich/Wade back-court?

Rose > Hinrich IMO. Take Rose. Let Miami deal Wade wherever. Move some combination of Kirk, Deng, Ben to move up to #3. The only reservation I have about moving TT is filling the 4 spot (if we're looking to become an uptempo team).

Would anybody be adverse to moving next years #1 to complete a deal to 2 or 3?

Wade > Rose, Hinrich or anyone else on the Bulls. It isn't even close, unless of course Wade isn't healthy. However, the guy is going to play on the olympic team and my thoughts are that is a sign that he is in fact healthy (but I'd obviously put him through a serious physical).

It now looks as if the Grizzlies have locked onto Love at 5 and if he isn't on the board they will trade the pick to the Knicks for David Lee. That would be a pretty good return for the Knicks, although Lee is one of the few players on that roster which is actually attractive (however, at 5, they probably grab Westbrook and get a guy with someupside (Crawford/Starburry/Randolph/Curry are all going to be moved if possible in any way shape or form as Walsh tries to basically clean up the trash and start putting together an actual team).

Healthy being the key word. Not thrilled about taking a worn out Wade either after the Olympics.

Yeah, Wade and Beasley would be awesome! But as long as we still have the pieces around them, otherwise we essentially become the Miami Heat.

Love + Rose =

Could you imagine? Love taking the ball out baseline then heaving a chest pass to the other hoop as Rose flies by defenders on his way to scoring 2 easy points?

I can't imagine Love not being on the board at #5. He's the guy I absolutely want the Grizzlies taking, unless of course they can swing a deal for the #2 pick and take Beasley. Trade Miller, Lowry, and the #5 pick for the #2 pick and you have yourself a very nice nucleus of Conley, Gay, and Beasley to build around.

Also, if the Bulls found a way to trade for Wade without giving up a pick, that would be unbelievable! I just don't know why the Heat would do it only for some of our players b/c if we sent them, i.e., Gordon, Tyrus, and Gooden, wouldn't that just be the Miami Bulls + Rose? This is assuming the Heat would make this trade b/c we'd guarantee them Rose as an incentive to trade us Wade.

Lastly, regarding this Hinrich for the #8 business, I don't see Pax making the trade b/c it sounds like he's pretty set on not doing anything until he figures out what's going to happen with Deng and Gordon. But, if the trade were to happen, I'd love getting Love or Lopez at #8. If neither was there, I wouldn't like the trade as much.

on mike and mike chad ford said a 3 different GMs have called him saying they keep hearing that the bulls are gonna trade for dwayne wade...take that FWIW

they are talkin about it on waddle and silvy

Wade + Rose or Wade + Beasly?

I'm really curious as to why I keep seeing rumors with Memphis giving up Conley. It typically takes PG's at least a year to really get used to the pro game (something we all are going to need to remember as we watch Rose) and he was very highly touted and has an above average skill-set.

Hinrich's name is now swirling all over the place so I don't know if Pax is going to stick to his words of taking care of Gordon/Deng situations before making a deal. I would love to see a deal involving Hinrich, Gordon, and one other individual for Dwayne Wade.

i didnt hear the interview with ford, i only heard waddle and silvy talking about it, but they were discussing it as if the bulls would get one of the top 2 picks...not sure how it would all unfold but i know they were saying the bulls are very willing to trade deng this offseason...more so than ever...sounds as if pax knows he swung and missed and needs to hit a HR here

I'd be willling to put a package together around Deng, assuming the Bulls are able to get a star in return. I'd even consider Deng and Hinrich for the #2 and Marion.

Yeah, as much as I like Deng, I'd trade him in the right deal, especially if it brought us Wade back.

But, yeah, I'd also do #2 and Marion for Deng and Hinrich. We'd probably have to throw in Gooden or TT too. Rose-Gordon-Marion-Beasley-Noah... I like. Not as much as if we acquired Wade, but that's still a heck of a team.

I agree. If Memphis gives up Conley, I think they're making a mistake. This should be the year he breaks out, just like CP3 and Deron did their 2nd year. I mean, Conley was the #4 pick right after the best prospect to come out in years (Oden), the rookie of the year, and the runner up rookie of the year. It's not like he was a mid-rounder or something the way they're talking about giving him up. I try to look at it this way: Beasley < Conley + Love

I truly believe Hinrich will be dealt tonight at the draft.... It may just be to Miami afterall. Can D. Wade be coming to Chicago?, im hearing many grumblings on the airwaves about this. Will the Bulls actually trade the #1 pick? Wow im definitley expecting the unexpected tonight. If we get Rose, awesome, if bring back a superstar instead, awesome. Either way if Pax plays his cards right were going to have a pretty damn good team going into next year. 30 minutes away and i cant wait!